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		<title>By: Be Realistic</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23337/comment-page-1#comment-976224</link>
		<dc:creator>Be Realistic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They know if they lose, there will be a avalanche of new challenges that will make the courts examine the need for new precedents in the laws themselves.&quot;

Exactly, that&#039;s why they&#039;re guaranteed to win, of course. They&#039;ve got Obama in their pocket and have all their top cronies at the top of the government. They&#039;ll apply every dirty and corrupt trick in the book to win this - they&#039;ll pay enough money to the right people to guarantee a win. You mark my words.

They can&#039;t fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They know if they lose, there will be a avalanche of new challenges that will make the courts examine the need for new precedents in the laws themselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly, that&#8217;s why they&#8217;re guaranteed to win, of course. They&#8217;ve got Obama in their pocket and have all their top cronies at the top of the government. They&#8217;ll apply every dirty and corrupt trick in the book to win this &#8211; they&#8217;ll pay enough money to the right people to guarantee a win. You mark my words.</p>
<p>They can&#8217;t fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23337/comment-page-1#comment-976216</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If more people were in a position to challenge this extortion, it would give the MAFIAA a much bigger headache, and probably wear a hole in their mission so fast.

That&#039;s probably why they&#039;re doing everything they can to beat Jammie to the ground.
She represents a much bigger picture these thugs don&#039;t want the courts to recognize.
...And she&#039;s basically doing this ALONE.

They know if they lose, there will be a avalanche of new challenges that will make the courts examine the need for new precedents in the laws themselves.   As it stands, it &quot;looks&quot; better when they&#039;re suing one woman out of existence, than it would if half of the file-sharing community were up for the same damages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If more people were in a position to challenge this extortion, it would give the MAFIAA a much bigger headache, and probably wear a hole in their mission so fast.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s probably why they&#8217;re doing everything they can to beat Jammie to the ground.<br />
She represents a much bigger picture these thugs don&#8217;t want the courts to recognize.<br />
&#8230;And she&#8217;s basically doing this ALONE.</p>
<p>They know if they lose, there will be a avalanche of new challenges that will make the courts examine the need for new precedents in the laws themselves.   As it stands, it &#8220;looks&#8221; better when they&#8217;re suing one woman out of existence, than it would if half of the file-sharing community were up for the same damages.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Thomas-Rasset</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23337/comment-page-1#comment-976194</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Thomas-Rasset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my wife so obviously I am paying close attention to everything thats going on.  We both have our hopes set high in that finally the RIAA thuggery will end.  Their campaign to sue innocent people and instill fear in the hearts of people around the world is pathetic and that our justice system allows this infuriates me.  They have no idea how many families lives that they are ruining.  Jammie has a job like every other normal person and has to be away from work for this pathetic extortion attempt by the big labels.  We are a family of 6 living on one income so this is really hurting our family.  All those people that say she should have to pay are ignorant, I have read so many posts where people do not know the facts and flame her.  To those who support shutting down this campaign our family thanks you deeply.  I do beleive that pirates should be stopped and always have, but the tactics the RIAA are using, seeking out so many innocents, HAS TO STOP!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my wife so obviously I am paying close attention to everything thats going on.  We both have our hopes set high in that finally the RIAA thuggery will end.  Their campaign to sue innocent people and instill fear in the hearts of people around the world is pathetic and that our justice system allows this infuriates me.  They have no idea how many families lives that they are ruining.  Jammie has a job like every other normal person and has to be away from work for this pathetic extortion attempt by the big labels.  We are a family of 6 living on one income so this is really hurting our family.  All those people that say she should have to pay are ignorant, I have read so many posts where people do not know the facts and flame her.  To those who support shutting down this campaign our family thanks you deeply.  I do beleive that pirates should be stopped and always have, but the tactics the RIAA are using, seeking out so many innocents, HAS TO STOP!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23337/comment-page-1#comment-976182</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s find out what these etertainement parasites have done this time to rigg the trial again. I am sure they did something. The question is will it be enought? In any case they are making the rope to hang themselves because ever they lose as they should or they will be in the classic situation of no justice no peace.

If I was them I would prefer to lose but I guess I have a brain; 
They don&#039;t. They carry a big piece of nasty lead instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s find out what these etertainement parasites have done this time to rigg the trial again. I am sure they did something. The question is will it be enought? In any case they are making the rope to hang themselves because ever they lose as they should or they will be in the classic situation of no justice no peace.</p>
<p>If I was them I would prefer to lose but I guess I have a brain;<br />
They don&#8217;t. They carry a big piece of nasty lead instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23337/comment-page-1#comment-976181</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please! Someone bring a audio recoder to the court! Please!

You can post it on internet via Tor. They will be never able to catch you!

PLEASE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please! Someone bring a audio recoder to the court! Please!</p>
<p>You can post it on internet via Tor. They will be never able to catch you!</p>
<p>PLEASE!</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting observations about the RIAA &quot;evidence&quot; as noted by 
poster Eric at Ray Beckermans Blog ....

&quot; Evidence #6 &quot;Screenshots of defendants shared folder&quot;

Hahahahahahahahahaha

How do they manage to screw these things up that badly. This is clearly a screenshot of the plaintiffs/MS computer after searching on the username that is in theory linked to defendant. It is most defiantly *NOT* a screenshot of the defendant&#039;s computer&#039;s shared folder.

Either the evidence should be thrown out and rule 11 sanctions applied ... or.. the defendant should use them to their advantage. I think the jury might be interested in the status bar text &quot;Not sharing any files&quot;

Oops &quot;

 Pay particular notice to the reference of the status bar text.

 NOT sharing any files.

 So, what exactly is she guilty of then ?

 They are not suing her for downloading, they stopped that a while ago because that strategy was flawed,
 so they are saying she was &#039;Distributing copyrighted files&#039;.
 How is this done when the evidence clearly shows she was NOT sharing ?

 here is the link to the post on rays blog, with the links to the referenced &#039;evidence&#039;

 http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2009/06/riaa-makes-numerous-in-limine-motions.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting observations about the RIAA &#8220;evidence&#8221; as noted by<br />
poster Eric at Ray Beckermans Blog &#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8221; Evidence #6 &#8220;Screenshots of defendants shared folder&#8221;</p>
<p>Hahahahahahahahahaha</p>
<p>How do they manage to screw these things up that badly. This is clearly a screenshot of the plaintiffs/MS computer after searching on the username that is in theory linked to defendant. It is most defiantly *NOT* a screenshot of the defendant&#8217;s computer&#8217;s shared folder.</p>
<p>Either the evidence should be thrown out and rule 11 sanctions applied &#8230; or.. the defendant should use them to their advantage. I think the jury might be interested in the status bar text &#8220;Not sharing any files&#8221;</p>
<p>Oops &#8221;</p>
<p> Pay particular notice to the reference of the status bar text.</p>
<p> NOT sharing any files.</p>
<p> So, what exactly is she guilty of then ?</p>
<p> They are not suing her for downloading, they stopped that a while ago because that strategy was flawed,<br />
 so they are saying she was &#8216;Distributing copyrighted files&#8217;.<br />
 How is this done when the evidence clearly shows she was NOT sharing ?</p>
<p> here is the link to the post on rays blog, with the links to the referenced &#8216;evidence&#8217;</p>
<p> <a href="http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2009/06/riaa-makes-numerous-in-limine-motions.html" rel="nofollow">http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2009/06/riaa-makes-numerous-in-limine-motions.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; No one’s hands are clean but society has a need for adjudication and looking at the facts in a realistic sense in relationship to the law. &quot;

 That&#039;s not true in all cases, and that&#039;s part of the problem.
 Many of those extorted didn&#039;t engage in any file sharing whatsoever.

 The granny with no computer ?
 The dead person ?
 The printer ?

 I am glad you are trying to look at this objectively, but it would be more productive if everyone stopped assuming
 that all of those sued actually engaged in any filesharing activity.

 Those that settled, even though they did nothing, did so out of fear of exactly what is being done to Jammie.
 
 The playing field is ridiculously uneven, so the completely innocent as well as those that do use one of
 the targeted p2p clients are equally victimized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; No one’s hands are clean but society has a need for adjudication and looking at the facts in a realistic sense in relationship to the law. &#8221;</p>
<p> That&#8217;s not true in all cases, and that&#8217;s part of the problem.<br />
 Many of those extorted didn&#8217;t engage in any file sharing whatsoever.</p>
<p> The granny with no computer ?<br />
 The dead person ?<br />
 The printer ?</p>
<p> I am glad you are trying to look at this objectively, but it would be more productive if everyone stopped assuming<br />
 that all of those sued actually engaged in any filesharing activity.</p>
<p> Those that settled, even though they did nothing, did so out of fear of exactly what is being done to Jammie.</p>
<p> The playing field is ridiculously uneven, so the completely innocent as well as those that do use one of<br />
 the targeted p2p clients are equally victimized.</p>
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		<title>By: Just my two cents</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just my two cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Better yet, 

@RW what land of fantasy do you come from? 

As much as several &quot;clueless people&quot; have tried to propagate a lie to try to extort money from their customers with half-truths and outright swindles (DRM, saying the tracks shared is directly linked to loss of CD sales). 

What is absurd about his whole case, is that it is based on semi-legal tactics by companies like Mediacentry and RIAA lawyers who try to gain personal information and cash by threats of litigation.  I still can not fathom how thick you would need to be (as a judge) to not take the RIAA and MPAA for what they really are: racketeering thugs.

So please feel free to waddle back to your fantasy land, where the evil Wizard reigns over the lowly public, and anyone who speaks against him is ratted out and turned into stone.

Just my two cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better yet, </p>
<p>@RW what land of fantasy do you come from? </p>
<p>As much as several &#8220;clueless people&#8221; have tried to propagate a lie to try to extort money from their customers with half-truths and outright swindles (DRM, saying the tracks shared is directly linked to loss of CD sales). </p>
<p>What is absurd about his whole case, is that it is based on semi-legal tactics by companies like Mediacentry and RIAA lawyers who try to gain personal information and cash by threats of litigation.  I still can not fathom how thick you would need to be (as a judge) to not take the RIAA and MPAA for what they really are: racketeering thugs.</p>
<p>So please feel free to waddle back to your fantasy land, where the evil Wizard reigns over the lowly public, and anyone who speaks against him is ratted out and turned into stone.</p>
<p>Just my two cents</p>
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		<title>By: semiaccurate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23337/comment-page-1#comment-976151</link>
		<dc:creator>semiaccurate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>www.semiaccurate.com  will have a round up at the end of each day - feet on the ground permitting.  And yes, often the blogging and reporting is biased.  This is an area of law that was settled and now we&#039;re looking at disruptive technology.  There are two sides here.  Somehow, that is why we&#039;re in court.  No one&#039;s hands are clean but society has a need for adjudication and looking at the facts in a realistic sense in relationship to the law.  Sometimes people need to bend, sometimes the law needs updating and clarifying.  That&#039;s why we&#039;re in court.  Duh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.semiaccurate.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.semiaccurate.com</a>  will have a round up at the end of each day &#8211; feet on the ground permitting.  And yes, often the blogging and reporting is biased.  This is an area of law that was settled and now we&#8217;re looking at disruptive technology.  There are two sides here.  Somehow, that is why we&#8217;re in court.  No one&#8217;s hands are clean but society has a need for adjudication and looking at the facts in a realistic sense in relationship to the law.  Sometimes people need to bend, sometimes the law needs updating and clarifying.  That&#8217;s why we&#8217;re in court.  Duh.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Demerjian</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23337/comment-page-1#comment-976146</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Demerjian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The site is www.semiaccurate.com, but nothing there yet for the trial, just Inquirer leftovers (my previous site). Right now, it is just twitter, http://twitter.com/SemiAccurate. We will do daily wrapups starting as soon as we finish typing.

        -Charlie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The site is <a href="http://www.semiaccurate.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.semiaccurate.com</a>, but nothing there yet for the trial, just Inquirer leftovers (my previous site). Right now, it is just twitter, <a href="http://twitter.com/SemiAccurate" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/SemiAccurate</a>. We will do daily wrapups starting as soon as we finish typing.</p>
<p>        -Charlie</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23337/comment-page-1#comment-976119</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Care to give us a link, Charlie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Care to give us a link, Charlie?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Demerjian</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23337/comment-page-1#comment-976118</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Demerjian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My site, Semiaccurate, is covering the trial as well. We are twittering under SemiAccurate as mentioned above. We hope to have people there every day, but can&#039;t guarantee it, plus a roundup at the end of the day. We hope to provide more perspectives and maybe a bit of insight. :)

        -Charlie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My site, Semiaccurate, is covering the trial as well. We are twittering under SemiAccurate as mentioned above. We hope to have people there every day, but can&#8217;t guarantee it, plus a roundup at the end of the day. We hope to provide more perspectives and maybe a bit of insight. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>        -Charlie</p>
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