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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23338/comment-page-1#comment-976078</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The enemies of copyright have really done a good job at creating the false premise that the interest of copyright holders and the interest of society as a whole are antagonistic, and they always talk about the need for balance.â

There is no such thing as the enemies of copyright. They are enemies of the corporations of ganster who were cntroling the entertainemnent sector until now.

The entertainement industry is the one who demonstrated that the 7 major corporations of entertainment are corporations of parasites who must be destroy ASAP. Thank you RIAA/MPAA/BPI/IFPI/. . .  to make us see the light. we know what we should be doing for our countries and  now you are doomed!


SORRY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The enemies of copyright have really done a good job at creating the false premise that the interest of copyright holders and the interest of society as a whole are antagonistic, and they always talk about the need for balance.â</p>
<p>There is no such thing as the enemies of copyright. They are enemies of the corporations of ganster who were cntroling the entertainemnent sector until now.</p>
<p>The entertainement industry is the one who demonstrated that the 7 major corporations of entertainment are corporations of parasites who must be destroy ASAP. Thank you RIAA/MPAA/BPI/IFPI/. . .  to make us see the light. we know what we should be doing for our countries and  now you are doomed!</p>
<p>SORRY!</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23338/comment-page-1#comment-976060</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I guess they were able to create one thingâ¦ a world full of people who no longer give a damn about copyright. With respect for it now gone, thereâs no turning back. They started a war they never had a chance of winning, now the clock is ticking toward their own demise. They are the dark cloud looming over everything, preventing anything from flourishing. Nobody needs them. Nobody wants them. They serve no benefit to anyone but themselves. Without them the world will be a much better place.&quot;

  Oh, we &quot;give a damn about copyright&quot;, all right -- in the same way that Abolitionists &quot;gave a damn&quot; about slavery.
   In the same way Civil Rights agitators &quot;gave a damn&quot; about racial segregation, and &quot;white&#039;s only&quot; lunch counters.

   We &quot;give a damn&quot;, because their precious monopoly privilege now threatens to destroy everything from privacy itself right on down to OWN -- rather than merely &quot;license&quot; or &quot;rent&quot; -- so-called &quot;content&quot;.

   We &quot;give a damn&quot;, because we realize that the &quot;rights-holders&quot; (corporate megaliths) have been fucking over the REAL &quot;content-creators&quot; for decades -- whether it was &quot;race records&quot; folks like Leadbelly, right on down to every band that has to sign over their copyrights as a condition of being &quot;signed&quot;.  The entire &quot;industry&quot; is -- and has been -- worthy of nothing but destruction for decades, and they very literally have no &quot;moral high ground&quot; to take, any longer.

   They scout for &quot;talent?&quot;   Tell that to the poorly-paid (anonymous) session musicians behind Milli Vanilli.

   What&#039;s really galling about the copy&quot;right&quot; lobby, is how they&#039;ve pretty much single-handedly fulfilled every critique against capitalism -- whether it&#039;s the Anarchist critique that the businessman inevitably uses the State as a tool of coercion (the whole patent/copyright thing itself), or the Marxist thing about &quot;capitalist exploiters&quot; (the shitty &quot;contracts&quot; they use to rip off those they sign.)

   Not only have they completely discredited their OWN &quot;industry&quot;, but every time their cronies in various Governments hand them a new extension or try the &quot;3-strikes&quot; bullshit, they serve to discredit all the mythology surrounding the so-called &quot;Free market&quot; economics by which so many of us live (and die.)

   Capitalism -- at least modern, corporate capitalism -- seems really prone to State jackbooting, in order to get what it wants.

   (So much for everybody who says there weren&#039;t &quot;robber barons&quot;.)

   They also risk discrediting faith in government itself, because when people -- especially the &quot;Younger Generation&quot; -- see themselves being screwed over in favor of an &quot;Establishment&quot; power-structure, they&#039;re apt to rebel.

   Questioning stuff like copy&quot;right&quot;, patents, and those EULA &quot;contracts&quot; bundled with proprietary software could easily get people questioning OTHER aspects of our sociopolitical scene (or even, as the Pirate Party thing shows, actively creating REAL change).

   Personally, I hope they keep this shit up -- the issues surrounding p2p could really serve to wake a lot of people up, and inject some much-needed skepticism/radicalism into our political discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I guess they were able to create one thingâ¦ a world full of people who no longer give a damn about copyright. With respect for it now gone, thereâs no turning back. They started a war they never had a chance of winning, now the clock is ticking toward their own demise. They are the dark cloud looming over everything, preventing anything from flourishing. Nobody needs them. Nobody wants them. They serve no benefit to anyone but themselves. Without them the world will be a much better place.&#8221;</p>
<p>  Oh, we &#8220;give a damn about copyright&#8221;, all right &#8212; in the same way that Abolitionists &#8220;gave a damn&#8221; about slavery.<br />
   In the same way Civil Rights agitators &#8220;gave a damn&#8221; about racial segregation, and &#8220;white&#8217;s only&#8221; lunch counters.</p>
<p>   We &#8220;give a damn&#8221;, because their precious monopoly privilege now threatens to destroy everything from privacy itself right on down to OWN &#8212; rather than merely &#8220;license&#8221; or &#8220;rent&#8221; &#8212; so-called &#8220;content&#8221;.</p>
<p>   We &#8220;give a damn&#8221;, because we realize that the &#8220;rights-holders&#8221; (corporate megaliths) have been fucking over the REAL &#8220;content-creators&#8221; for decades &#8212; whether it was &#8220;race records&#8221; folks like Leadbelly, right on down to every band that has to sign over their copyrights as a condition of being &#8220;signed&#8221;.  The entire &#8220;industry&#8221; is &#8212; and has been &#8212; worthy of nothing but destruction for decades, and they very literally have no &#8220;moral high ground&#8221; to take, any longer.</p>
<p>   They scout for &#8220;talent?&#8221;   Tell that to the poorly-paid (anonymous) session musicians behind Milli Vanilli.</p>
<p>   What&#8217;s really galling about the copy&#8221;right&#8221; lobby, is how they&#8217;ve pretty much single-handedly fulfilled every critique against capitalism &#8212; whether it&#8217;s the Anarchist critique that the businessman inevitably uses the State as a tool of coercion (the whole patent/copyright thing itself), or the Marxist thing about &#8220;capitalist exploiters&#8221; (the shitty &#8220;contracts&#8221; they use to rip off those they sign.)</p>
<p>   Not only have they completely discredited their OWN &#8220;industry&#8221;, but every time their cronies in various Governments hand them a new extension or try the &#8220;3-strikes&#8221; bullshit, they serve to discredit all the mythology surrounding the so-called &#8220;Free market&#8221; economics by which so many of us live (and die.)</p>
<p>   Capitalism &#8212; at least modern, corporate capitalism &#8212; seems really prone to State jackbooting, in order to get what it wants.</p>
<p>   (So much for everybody who says there weren&#8217;t &#8220;robber barons&#8221;.)</p>
<p>   They also risk discrediting faith in government itself, because when people &#8212; especially the &#8220;Younger Generation&#8221; &#8212; see themselves being screwed over in favor of an &#8220;Establishment&#8221; power-structure, they&#8217;re apt to rebel.</p>
<p>   Questioning stuff like copy&#8221;right&#8221;, patents, and those EULA &#8220;contracts&#8221; bundled with proprietary software could easily get people questioning OTHER aspects of our sociopolitical scene (or even, as the Pirate Party thing shows, actively creating REAL change).</p>
<p>   Personally, I hope they keep this shit up &#8212; the issues surrounding p2p could really serve to wake a lot of people up, and inject some much-needed skepticism/radicalism into our political discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23338/comment-page-1#comment-976047</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to hear the RIAA and Directv argue how it was right when they targeted the wrong person and still took there money.
Even when they made mistakes, the mistaken pays the same as the rest. Then they lock this &quot;wrong&quot; person into a confidential
agreement which takes constitutional rights and liberties from them such as the right to report this crime or the right to speak with the press.
Worse, our justice system is well aware innocent people have been made to pay and have had rights and liberties taken and they
do nothing to up hold there oath of office to protect and defend the US Constitution. The giving up of constitutional rights to another
private individual might seem important in a country which asserts itself as &quot;a free country.&quot; How free is it when private people,
&quot;corporations&quot; take our rights in confidential contract settlements.  Join us here to free America once again.
http://www.digitalrightownertheft.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to hear the RIAA and Directv argue how it was right when they targeted the wrong person and still took there money.<br />
Even when they made mistakes, the mistaken pays the same as the rest. Then they lock this &#8220;wrong&#8221; person into a confidential<br />
agreement which takes constitutional rights and liberties from them such as the right to report this crime or the right to speak with the press.<br />
Worse, our justice system is well aware innocent people have been made to pay and have had rights and liberties taken and they<br />
do nothing to up hold there oath of office to protect and defend the US Constitution. The giving up of constitutional rights to another<br />
private individual might seem important in a country which asserts itself as &#8220;a free country.&#8221; How free is it when private people,<br />
&#8220;corporations&#8221; take our rights in confidential contract settlements.  Join us here to free America once again.<br />
<a href="http://www.digitalrightownertheft.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.digitalrightownertheft.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: surfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>surfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>more like kicking and suing..</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23338/comment-page-1#comment-976037</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just about every digital media service that exists on the internet today, from iTunes to Hulu, would never have got off the ground if P2P &#039;piracy&#039; had never existed. The media industries, most notably TV and music, were only responding to widespread internet piracy and felt forced to make their product available online --officially and legally. Every consumer of legal online digital media should thank the &#039;pirates&#039; for spearheading this industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just about every digital media service that exists on the internet today, from iTunes to Hulu, would never have got off the ground if P2P &#8216;piracy&#8217; had never existed. The media industries, most notably TV and music, were only responding to widespread internet piracy and felt forced to make their product available online &#8211;officially and legally. Every consumer of legal online digital media should thank the &#8216;pirates&#8217; for spearheading this industry.</p>
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		<title>By: RadialSkid</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23338/comment-page-1#comment-976034</link>
		<dc:creator>RadialSkid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Shapiro argued that it is not the same, and that copyright and intellectual property rights are different than ârealâ property - a statement that received groans from the rights holder-friendly audience.&quot;

They can groan away....as long as they pay attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Shapiro argued that it is not the same, and that copyright and intellectual property rights are different than ârealâ property &#8211; a statement that received groans from the rights holder-friendly audience.&#8221;</p>
<p>They can groan away&#8230;.as long as they pay attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23338/comment-page-1#comment-976018</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 03:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These copyright buffoons only have themselves to blame for the current state of things. They strip the world of the public domain by endless copyright extensions. Every cool new technology that comes along, they do their best to sue out of existence, and have the gall to insinuate that technology creators should come ask for their permission, because they cannot create ANYTHING of their own. They launch a terror crusade against ordinary people who have no means to defend themselves, they buy and corrupt governments, drive up the cost of college tuition, infiltrate classrooms to preach their propaganda... what did they expect?

I guess they were able to create one thing... a world full of people who no longer give a damn about copyright. With respect for it now gone, there&#039;s no turning back. They started a war they never had a chance of winning, now the clock is ticking toward their own demise. They are the dark cloud looming over everything, preventing anything from flourishing. Nobody needs them. Nobody wants them. They serve no benefit to anyone but themselves. Without them the world will be a much better place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These copyright buffoons only have themselves to blame for the current state of things. They strip the world of the public domain by endless copyright extensions. Every cool new technology that comes along, they do their best to sue out of existence, and have the gall to insinuate that technology creators should come ask for their permission, because they cannot create ANYTHING of their own. They launch a terror crusade against ordinary people who have no means to defend themselves, they buy and corrupt governments, drive up the cost of college tuition, infiltrate classrooms to preach their propaganda&#8230; what did they expect?</p>
<p>I guess they were able to create one thing&#8230; a world full of people who no longer give a damn about copyright. With respect for it now gone, there&#8217;s no turning back. They started a war they never had a chance of winning, now the clock is ticking toward their own demise. They are the dark cloud looming over everything, preventing anything from flourishing. Nobody needs them. Nobody wants them. They serve no benefit to anyone but themselves. Without them the world will be a much better place.</p>
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		<title>By: NO1UNO</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23338/comment-page-1#comment-976017</link>
		<dc:creator>NO1UNO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Henry, nothing i can add!!
stw :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Henry, nothing i can add!!<br />
stw <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23338/comment-page-1#comment-976014</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would ANYBODY still be listening to these people?
  Corporate &quot;rights-holders&quot;, the &quot;estates&quot; of dead artists, You know, the people who REALLY benefit from copy&quot;right&quot; (needless to say, not the actual artists/creators themselves) have NOTHING legitimate to say on this topic, given the fact that they:

   1. Refuse to ever honor THEIR side of the supposed &quot;bargain&quot; (by allowing stuff to enter the public domain in a timely fashion). 
   2. Collude with government to &quot;fight the technology&quot; (thus putting the lie once and for all, to the notion that corporate capitalism and the &quot;free market&quot; are synonymous).
   3. Relentlessly propagandize, terrorize, and generally bullshit everybody ad nauseum (&quot;home taping is killing music&quot; -- then why the fuck isn&#039;t it DEAD yet, hmm?) :(

   Then, YEARS after the technology is already in place, they manage to create Fancast and Hulu.
   Wow, really stellar achievement, folks.  (I use Hulu and Fancast myself, because they&#039;re actually pretty good.)

   Problem is, people have been doing streaming-media sites for YEARS before this, and the only thing that kept the corporate frauds from getting to the party is the fact that they were mired in their own bullshit thicket of &quot;licensing&quot; and red-tape.

   It&#039;s great that you can see the whole run of southpark at www.southparkstudios.com, but there were dozens of sites offering the same functionality for at least two years before that.  (www.sp-zone.com and allsp.com were two, if I remember correctly.)

   So, to hold Hulu and Fancast up as some sort of radical step forward is disingenuous at best.

   They&#039;re late to the party, deploying stuff that was ALREADY there for years? 

   We&#039;re supposed to applaud that, after all the bullshit THEY did?

   Nope.  Not gonna happen.  
   The only solution is to continue &quot;robbing&quot; them of their pwecious widdle monopoly privilege until every corporation involved in the &quot;copyright industry&quot; is completely and utterly destroyed.  

   And Y&#039;know what?  You know the corporate shitbags are really desperate when they do propaganda nonsense like these &quot;conferences&quot;.
   Was there any dialog back when they destroyed Napster?
   They know they&#039;re irretrievably fucked, and there&#039;s no way back, so they bring the &quot;crony capitalism&quot; out into the open with all of their bills and enforcement bullshit, desperately hoping that it&#039;ll actually make a difference.

   Only problem is, people aren&#039;t that stupid.  You can&#039;t &quot;partner&quot; with corporate vermin, and they know it.

   No matter how many &quot;license&quot; deals they cut with Youtube or Google or whoever else, the REAL battle-lines will just move to whatever remains &quot;unlicensed&quot; -- and thus, un-tainted.  The &quot;copyright industry&quot; needs to be destroyed.  Intellectual &quot;property&quot; has proven to be a horrible mistake, in the same way that race-based chattel slavery was a mistake.

   Way past time for all of it to hit the dung-heap of history.
   
   Really, we should be aiming for a culture where the word &quot;copyright&quot; merits the same kind of astonishment (or outright contempt) as term &quot;miscegenation&quot; merits, now.  Anti-miscegenation laws are, rightly, a think of the past.

   All forms of so-called &quot;intellectual property&quot; should be next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would ANYBODY still be listening to these people?<br />
  Corporate &#8220;rights-holders&#8221;, the &#8220;estates&#8221; of dead artists, You know, the people who REALLY benefit from copy&#8221;right&#8221; (needless to say, not the actual artists/creators themselves) have NOTHING legitimate to say on this topic, given the fact that they:</p>
<p>   1. Refuse to ever honor THEIR side of the supposed &#8220;bargain&#8221; (by allowing stuff to enter the public domain in a timely fashion).<br />
   2. Collude with government to &#8220;fight the technology&#8221; (thus putting the lie once and for all, to the notion that corporate capitalism and the &#8220;free market&#8221; are synonymous).<br />
   3. Relentlessly propagandize, terrorize, and generally bullshit everybody ad nauseum (&#8221;home taping is killing music&#8221; &#8212; then why the fuck isn&#8217;t it DEAD yet, hmm?) <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>   Then, YEARS after the technology is already in place, they manage to create Fancast and Hulu.<br />
   Wow, really stellar achievement, folks.  (I use Hulu and Fancast myself, because they&#8217;re actually pretty good.)</p>
<p>   Problem is, people have been doing streaming-media sites for YEARS before this, and the only thing that kept the corporate frauds from getting to the party is the fact that they were mired in their own bullshit thicket of &#8220;licensing&#8221; and red-tape.</p>
<p>   It&#8217;s great that you can see the whole run of southpark at <a href="http://www.southparkstudios.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.southparkstudios.com</a>, but there were dozens of sites offering the same functionality for at least two years before that.  (www.sp-zone.com and allsp.com were two, if I remember correctly.)</p>
<p>   So, to hold Hulu and Fancast up as some sort of radical step forward is disingenuous at best.</p>
<p>   They&#8217;re late to the party, deploying stuff that was ALREADY there for years? </p>
<p>   We&#8217;re supposed to applaud that, after all the bullshit THEY did?</p>
<p>   Nope.  Not gonna happen.<br />
   The only solution is to continue &#8220;robbing&#8221; them of their pwecious widdle monopoly privilege until every corporation involved in the &#8220;copyright industry&#8221; is completely and utterly destroyed.  </p>
<p>   And Y&#8217;know what?  You know the corporate shitbags are really desperate when they do propaganda nonsense like these &#8220;conferences&#8221;.<br />
   Was there any dialog back when they destroyed Napster?<br />
   They know they&#8217;re irretrievably fucked, and there&#8217;s no way back, so they bring the &#8220;crony capitalism&#8221; out into the open with all of their bills and enforcement bullshit, desperately hoping that it&#8217;ll actually make a difference.</p>
<p>   Only problem is, people aren&#8217;t that stupid.  You can&#8217;t &#8220;partner&#8221; with corporate vermin, and they know it.</p>
<p>   No matter how many &#8220;license&#8221; deals they cut with Youtube or Google or whoever else, the REAL battle-lines will just move to whatever remains &#8220;unlicensed&#8221; &#8212; and thus, un-tainted.  The &#8220;copyright industry&#8221; needs to be destroyed.  Intellectual &#8220;property&#8221; has proven to be a horrible mistake, in the same way that race-based chattel slavery was a mistake.</p>
<p>   Way past time for all of it to hit the dung-heap of history.</p>
<p>   Really, we should be aiming for a culture where the word &#8220;copyright&#8221; merits the same kind of astonishment (or outright contempt) as term &#8220;miscegenation&#8221; merits, now.  Anti-miscegenation laws are, rightly, a think of the past.</p>
<p>   All forms of so-called &#8220;intellectual property&#8221; should be next.</p>
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