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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So ask yourself: is this just punishment&quot;
No. It&#039;s torture. America is famous for that.
So, if for the Justice Department and the President torture was all right, what can you expect from a jury an a judicial system that is a mockery?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So ask yourself: is this just punishment&#8221;<br />
No. It&#8217;s torture. America is famous for that.<br />
So, if for the Justice Department and the President torture was all right, what can you expect from a jury an a judicial system that is a mockery?</p>
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		<title>By: surfer</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23535/comment-page-1#comment-976748</link>
		<dc:creator>surfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 23:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.   Crosbie Fitch Says:
      June 19th, 2009 at 10:52 am

      The more dangerous it is for the public to handle copyright works the less they will. In other words, soon the term ‘copyright’ will become a kiss of obscurity for any independent artist’s work. This means that works are already polarising into two groups: a) works only safe to watch at a distance, at a cinema, on TV, or hear on a radio (as long as no camcorder or other recorder is present), b) works safe to keep in one’s personal collection, share with one’s friends, and build upon and publish. The second group is soon going to dwarf the first group. Before long copyright works will go the way of lead paint, prohibited from the presence of children, banned from the home and workplace without special permit, and considered hazardous material for use only in extreme cases, e.g. by the military.

      If it isn’t copyleft, share alike, CC0, or otherwise stipulated as safe for handling by the public then don’t touch it with a barge pole. Until copyright is abolished we’re going to have to be extremely careful to treat copyright works for the toxic waste they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.   Crosbie Fitch Says:<br />
      June 19th, 2009 at 10:52 am</p>
<p>      The more dangerous it is for the public to handle copyright works the less they will. In other words, soon the term ‘copyright’ will become a kiss of obscurity for any independent artist’s work. This means that works are already polarising into two groups: a) works only safe to watch at a distance, at a cinema, on TV, or hear on a radio (as long as no camcorder or other recorder is present), b) works safe to keep in one’s personal collection, share with one’s friends, and build upon and publish. The second group is soon going to dwarf the first group. Before long copyright works will go the way of lead paint, prohibited from the presence of children, banned from the home and workplace without special permit, and considered hazardous material for use only in extreme cases, e.g. by the military.</p>
<p>      If it isn’t copyleft, share alike, CC0, or otherwise stipulated as safe for handling by the public then don’t touch it with a barge pole. Until copyright is abolished we’re going to have to be extremely careful to treat copyright works for the toxic waste they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23535/comment-page-1#comment-976702</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also: I don&#039;t usually recommend books, but you really need to read &quot;A People&#039;s history of the United States&quot;, by Howard Zinn -- really puts current events in perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also: I don&#8217;t usually recommend books, but you really need to read &#8220;A People&#8217;s history of the United States&#8221;, by Howard Zinn &#8212; really puts current events in perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23535/comment-page-1#comment-976701</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, we&#039;re not thinking &quot;big&quot; enough, here:

   1. The busllshit with the RIAA/MPAA/whoever else is just a small subset of the bigger problem with corporate capitalism -- namely, corporations themselves.  So long as the corporation -- a mere business structure -- is regarded as a legal &quot;person&quot;, they&#039;re going to keep damaging the surrounding culture, even AFTER they inevitably end up &quot;permitting&quot; drastic copyright and patent reform (which they will, because they really have no other choice -- attempting to &quot;preserve&quot; the current system just fails at every turn, and pisses us off.)

   2. But consider: copy&quot;right&quot; and patents are the way they are because corporations are regarded as &quot;persons&quot;, and thus, granted really big advantages in terms of lobbying and protection from &quot;unreasonable&quot; search and seisure, and such.

   So what needs to happen, is for the p2p/copy&quot;right&quot; reform/patent reform debate needs to be seen as a subset of the &quot;corporate watchdog&quot; movement.  (Of course, actually daring to question anything a corporation does will inevitably get you branded &quot;anti-capitalist&quot; or &quot;anti-business&quot;, or &quot;communist&quot; or &quot;Marxist&quot;, or some other bullshit -- but you have to ask yourself whether you really care about that.)

   That&#039;s one of the really common ways to stave off any fundamental sociopolitical change here in the U.S. -- trot out the accusations of &quot;socialism&quot;, keep telling us all about the mythical &quot;free market&quot; (while granting corporations the same rights as REAL persons, and using hte patent system to micromanage what constitutes &quot;permitted&quot; competition.)

   The reason that works, is because Americans are, by and large, not merely ignorant, but BOASTFULLY so.  (Remember that &quot;Freedom Fries&quot; thing a few years ago?  That&#039;s basically what passes for political discourse in this country -- that and debate over Obama&#039;s middle name). 

    So do yourselves a favor: look into your local version of corporate law -- are they regarded as &quot;persons&quot; in your jurisdiction?  If so, you&#039;re basically fucked, as far as actually being able to reign them in, in any real, lasting way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, we&#8217;re not thinking &#8220;big&#8221; enough, here:</p>
<p>   1. The busllshit with the RIAA/MPAA/whoever else is just a small subset of the bigger problem with corporate capitalism &#8212; namely, corporations themselves.  So long as the corporation &#8212; a mere business structure &#8212; is regarded as a legal &#8220;person&#8221;, they&#8217;re going to keep damaging the surrounding culture, even AFTER they inevitably end up &#8220;permitting&#8221; drastic copyright and patent reform (which they will, because they really have no other choice &#8212; attempting to &#8220;preserve&#8221; the current system just fails at every turn, and pisses us off.)</p>
<p>   2. But consider: copy&#8221;right&#8221; and patents are the way they are because corporations are regarded as &#8220;persons&#8221;, and thus, granted really big advantages in terms of lobbying and protection from &#8220;unreasonable&#8221; search and seisure, and such.</p>
<p>   So what needs to happen, is for the p2p/copy&#8221;right&#8221; reform/patent reform debate needs to be seen as a subset of the &#8220;corporate watchdog&#8221; movement.  (Of course, actually daring to question anything a corporation does will inevitably get you branded &#8220;anti-capitalist&#8221; or &#8220;anti-business&#8221;, or &#8220;communist&#8221; or &#8220;Marxist&#8221;, or some other bullshit &#8212; but you have to ask yourself whether you really care about that.)</p>
<p>   That&#8217;s one of the really common ways to stave off any fundamental sociopolitical change here in the U.S. &#8212; trot out the accusations of &#8220;socialism&#8221;, keep telling us all about the mythical &#8220;free market&#8221; (while granting corporations the same rights as REAL persons, and using hte patent system to micromanage what constitutes &#8220;permitted&#8221; competition.)</p>
<p>   The reason that works, is because Americans are, by and large, not merely ignorant, but BOASTFULLY so.  (Remember that &#8220;Freedom Fries&#8221; thing a few years ago?  That&#8217;s basically what passes for political discourse in this country &#8212; that and debate over Obama&#8217;s middle name). </p>
<p>    So do yourselves a favor: look into your local version of corporate law &#8212; are they regarded as &#8220;persons&#8221; in your jurisdiction?  If so, you&#8217;re basically fucked, as far as actually being able to reign them in, in any real, lasting way.</p>
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		<title>By: Music</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23535/comment-page-1#comment-976665</link>
		<dc:creator>Music</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is ridiculous how something can be deemed illegal just because its harming an industries profits. File sharing is not killing anyone, or harming anyone&#039;s physical or mental state, so why should it not be allowed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is ridiculous how something can be deemed illegal just because its harming an industries profits. File sharing is not killing anyone, or harming anyone&#8217;s physical or mental state, so why should it not be allowed?</p>
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		<title>By: Maroan</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23535/comment-page-1#comment-976619</link>
		<dc:creator>Maroan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all of you around saying its time to stop this madness. But how do we do that? Most of the time these cases go unnoticed around, except if they are big enough to get printed INSIDE a newspaper, at page 30.... So what can we do, or what shall we do next? I really feel that its time to stop these mobs, but the point is that they still can pass laws, hurt people, and all in all do what they want without any attentions from most of the people outthere... Yes its time to do something, but WHAT??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all of you around saying its time to stop this madness. But how do we do that? Most of the time these cases go unnoticed around, except if they are big enough to get printed INSIDE a newspaper, at page 30&#8230;. So what can we do, or what shall we do next? I really feel that its time to stop these mobs, but the point is that they still can pass laws, hurt people, and all in all do what they want without any attentions from most of the people outthere&#8230; Yes its time to do something, but WHAT??</p>
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		<title>By: surfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>surfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your not alone kiwi, be sure and enlighten your friends, collegues, relatives, shit, stop people on the street and tell them too.

&#039;We are not going to take this shit, ANYMORE!&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your not alone kiwi, be sure and enlighten your friends, collegues, relatives, shit, stop people on the street and tell them too.</p>
<p>&#8216;We are not going to take this shit, ANYMORE!&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: kiwi free for all!</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiwi free for all!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have  spent over 50,000 bucks in the last 5 years on dvd,bluray and every device you can think to play them including multiple massive t.vs.but with this verdict and the ACTA agreement thats it.

NOT ONE MORE PENNY FOR YOU FROM ME MPAA!!!!.i will now download like a MOTHER FUCKER! and unlike before i will not buy your content when it FINALLY becomes available.so well done,your total lack of regard for your fellow humans rights has lost you a customer that probably spends a hundred times more a year than the average joe on the street that doesnt file share!

SO FUCK YOU  MPAA AND FUCK THE GOVERNMENTS WHO SWALLOW YOUR BULLSHIT!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have  spent over 50,000 bucks in the last 5 years on dvd,bluray and every device you can think to play them including multiple massive t.vs.but with this verdict and the ACTA agreement thats it.</p>
<p>NOT ONE MORE PENNY FOR YOU FROM ME MPAA!!!!.i will now download like a MOTHER FUCKER! and unlike before i will not buy your content when it FINALLY becomes available.so well done,your total lack of regard for your fellow humans rights has lost you a customer that probably spends a hundred times more a year than the average joe on the street that doesnt file share!</p>
<p>SO FUCK YOU  MPAA AND FUCK THE GOVERNMENTS WHO SWALLOW YOUR BULLSHIT!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23535/comment-page-1#comment-976575</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You can kill someone and it will cost you less than this.&quot;

This is right. So guess what we should do next?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can kill someone and it will cost you less than this.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is right. So guess what we should do next?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I give up there is no justice anywhere and people are too stupid to give a fair verdict. Even if they thought she was guilty, the fine should have been greatly reduced from the first trial.

I seriously give up, the only people who get fair trials and fair sentences are actual criminals!
You can kill someone and it will cost you less than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I give up there is no justice anywhere and people are too stupid to give a fair verdict. Even if they thought she was guilty, the fine should have been greatly reduced from the first trial.</p>
<p>I seriously give up, the only people who get fair trials and fair sentences are actual criminals!<br />
You can kill someone and it will cost you less than this.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Music Industry Attacks Everything&quot;

Should be renamed to &quot;The Recording Industry Attacks Everything&quot;. The *music* industry is flourishing, despite these parasites.</description>
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<p>Should be renamed to &#8220;The Recording Industry Attacks Everything&#8221;. The *music* industry is flourishing, despite these parasites.</p>
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		<title>By: Occvlta Lvx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Occvlta Lvx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will persistently and relentlessly fight and kill those that attempt to suppress and/or constrict individual liberty with respect to intellectual transference of telecommunications data and/or information. The future is torrent technology which is unambiguously free and unrestricted in applicability and implementation. Only the true upholders of such liberty will fully comprehend the vast significance and importance of this process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will persistently and relentlessly fight and kill those that attempt to suppress and/or constrict individual liberty with respect to intellectual transference of telecommunications data and/or information. The future is torrent technology which is unambiguously free and unrestricted in applicability and implementation. Only the true upholders of such liberty will fully comprehend the vast significance and importance of this process.</p>
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