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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23541/comment-page-1#comment-976559</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There may be one problem installing this law.

They&#039;re proposing that the PROVIDERS track and keep our information (for the police to access).
Most Canadian ISPs are also providers of other services as well as content.
Canadians are already at odds with the ISPs for the previous attempt to install DPI.
The issue of DPI use itself has yet to be completely hashed out, and there were some serious concerns expressed by the Canadian Government about the possible anticompetitive scenarios such a thing could open up.

The same roadblock would have to come into it again when proposing that providers track EVEN MORE DATA for the police.

We didn&#039;t want providers tracking us before, when the data was supposedly intended for targetted marketing.
We don&#039;t want them tracking us now, for all the same reasons as before.

So, when the providers themselves wanted our info, that was a hard sell.
But now, all of a sudden, the same government (that didn&#039;t buy into it before) not only wants the providers to do it, but to do it in a much BIGGER WAY!

We may have to insist, en masse, that all internet providers participating in this masterpiece of BS not be allowed to also be providers of anything else, as there&#039;s way too much incentive for a provider to abuse the position they would then be in.

(Fuck!  This is nuts!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There may be one problem installing this law.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re proposing that the PROVIDERS track and keep our information (for the police to access).<br />
Most Canadian ISPs are also providers of other services as well as content.<br />
Canadians are already at odds with the ISPs for the previous attempt to install DPI.<br />
The issue of DPI use itself has yet to be completely hashed out, and there were some serious concerns expressed by the Canadian Government about the possible anticompetitive scenarios such a thing could open up.</p>
<p>The same roadblock would have to come into it again when proposing that providers track EVEN MORE DATA for the police.</p>
<p>We didn&#8217;t want providers tracking us before, when the data was supposedly intended for targetted marketing.<br />
We don&#8217;t want them tracking us now, for all the same reasons as before.</p>
<p>So, when the providers themselves wanted our info, that was a hard sell.<br />
But now, all of a sudden, the same government (that didn&#8217;t buy into it before) not only wants the providers to do it, but to do it in a much BIGGER WAY!</p>
<p>We may have to insist, en masse, that all internet providers participating in this masterpiece of BS not be allowed to also be providers of anything else, as there&#8217;s way too much incentive for a provider to abuse the position they would then be in.</p>
<p>(Fuck!  This is nuts!!)</p>
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		<title>By: Red flag</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23541/comment-page-1#comment-976557</link>
		<dc:creator>Red flag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In one of the p2pnet world headlines is a link to a story released the past week about how MS developed a new program to capture &quot;child porn people&quot;.

It was released and in trial only in Canada and Australia.

Now, since this is installed on ISP&#039;s and on trial and works why is this new law needed for kiddie porn?

Keep in mind all the last major kiddie porn busts across Canada, US germany were all done with the older MS version of this software.

It was written on CBC and reported P2Pnet. Also I saw them state it on the CBC (TV) when the RCMP had a news conference about it. A reporter asked about the MS software used to capture these people across Canada (most were in Ontario) and they declined to discuss it. 

It was a huge bust. Anyone recall it?

So again, this child porn thing is bull.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one of the p2pnet world headlines is a link to a story released the past week about how MS developed a new program to capture &#8220;child porn people&#8221;.</p>
<p>It was released and in trial only in Canada and Australia.</p>
<p>Now, since this is installed on ISP&#8217;s and on trial and works why is this new law needed for kiddie porn?</p>
<p>Keep in mind all the last major kiddie porn busts across Canada, US germany were all done with the older MS version of this software.</p>
<p>It was written on CBC and reported P2Pnet. Also I saw them state it on the CBC (TV) when the RCMP had a news conference about it. A reporter asked about the MS software used to capture these people across Canada (most were in Ontario) and they declined to discuss it. </p>
<p>It was a huge bust. Anyone recall it?</p>
<p>So again, this child porn thing is bull.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23541/comment-page-1#comment-976546</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I smell shit heading for the fan. Their reason for putting this is no Child Porn, it&#039;s attempting to cap on freedom and speech! They can get ANYONE with this! They can get people who know a bit too much, they can get p2p users, they can get anybody with an internet connection, AND THAT MEANS ALMOST EVERYBODY!

 This is a complete invasion of privacy and this is illegal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I smell shit heading for the fan. Their reason for putting this is no Child Porn, it&#8217;s attempting to cap on freedom and speech! They can get ANYONE with this! They can get people who know a bit too much, they can get p2p users, they can get anybody with an internet connection, AND THAT MEANS ALMOST EVERYBODY!</p>
<p> This is a complete invasion of privacy and this is illegal!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23541/comment-page-1#comment-976504</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s always Kiddie Porn.  Watching Global&#039;s 6 o&#039;clock news there&#039;s always an alliance guy in a suit going on about Kiddie Porn as the reason for invasion of privacy.

What is so fucking hard about have a non-paid-off judge evaluate the evidence before the police can invade privacy?  Thousands of cases that can&#039;t be investigated because of privacy?  So you&#039;re telling me that because they can see the site and it clearly has child porn or they know the news groups are posting child porn and a judge is not immediately granting a warrant?

I smell BULLSHIT!  If there was a real reason for extended access, why not have a process with a judge or panel that evaluates the information?  Why not have an INDEPENDENT (aka NO EX COPS OR POLITICIANS) committee full of privacy advocates overseeing every access extension?

Because the police know they can&#039;t trust themselves and they know there will be violations and they know there&#039;s no accountability, but hey, it&#039;s in the name of kiddie porn so let&#039;s strip away more privacy rights so cops (who themselves are often guilty of child porn) can go without accountability through personal lives of people.  No, they&#039;d NEVER abuse those powers, never.  Riiiight!

Prove you need it and give cases where you actually have evidence and you can&#039;t get a warrant fast enough.  Real proof!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always Kiddie Porn.  Watching Global&#8217;s 6 o&#8217;clock news there&#8217;s always an alliance guy in a suit going on about Kiddie Porn as the reason for invasion of privacy.</p>
<p>What is so fucking hard about have a non-paid-off judge evaluate the evidence before the police can invade privacy?  Thousands of cases that can&#8217;t be investigated because of privacy?  So you&#8217;re telling me that because they can see the site and it clearly has child porn or they know the news groups are posting child porn and a judge is not immediately granting a warrant?</p>
<p>I smell BULLSHIT!  If there was a real reason for extended access, why not have a process with a judge or panel that evaluates the information?  Why not have an INDEPENDENT (aka NO EX COPS OR POLITICIANS) committee full of privacy advocates overseeing every access extension?</p>
<p>Because the police know they can&#8217;t trust themselves and they know there will be violations and they know there&#8217;s no accountability, but hey, it&#8217;s in the name of kiddie porn so let&#8217;s strip away more privacy rights so cops (who themselves are often guilty of child porn) can go without accountability through personal lives of people.  No, they&#8217;d NEVER abuse those powers, never.  Riiiight!</p>
<p>Prove you need it and give cases where you actually have evidence and you can&#8217;t get a warrant fast enough.  Real proof!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23541/comment-page-1#comment-976499</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to add to my above comment

Cue the function creep. I give it less than year after this is passed before someone innocent is spied on harassed later about it court and then found not guilty based on the fact the law would be unconstitutional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to add to my above comment</p>
<p>Cue the function creep. I give it less than year after this is passed before someone innocent is spied on harassed later about it court and then found not guilty based on the fact the law would be unconstitutional.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23541/comment-page-1#comment-976492</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These comments are right on. 

Police have not demonstrated they need these &quot;powers&quot;.  Second a judge would be in the best position to determine if a warrant for particular sensitive data is necessary not the corrupt police (who will go to whatever lengths they can to prove their bullshit most the time).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These comments are right on. </p>
<p>Police have not demonstrated they need these &#8220;powers&#8221;.  Second a judge would be in the best position to determine if a warrant for particular sensitive data is necessary not the corrupt police (who will go to whatever lengths they can to prove their bullshit most the time).</p>
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		<title>By: Dudley Do-Right RCMP</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23541/comment-page-1#comment-976480</link>
		<dc:creator>Dudley Do-Right RCMP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those extreme left wing reporters over at the CBC will be our first target, as well as the &quot;sources&quot; they get their info from.

Next time we get nailed for killing someone by tazer, we will know the lawyers attack plan in advance.

I would like to thank the honourable Harper and the honourable Iggy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those extreme left wing reporters over at the CBC will be our first target, as well as the &#8220;sources&#8221; they get their info from.</p>
<p>Next time we get nailed for killing someone by tazer, we will know the lawyers attack plan in advance.</p>
<p>I would like to thank the honourable Harper and the honourable Iggy.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesty</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23541/comment-page-1#comment-976472</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harper and Ignatieff will both vote yes on this. In the last 2-3 years Canada has been getting worse and worse. These fossils need to die off the revolution is almost here and we&#039;re not ready.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harper and Ignatieff will both vote yes on this. In the last 2-3 years Canada has been getting worse and worse. These fossils need to die off the revolution is almost here and we&#8217;re not ready.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23541/comment-page-1#comment-976471</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This violates our privacy rights and also kills the &quot;Innocent until proven guilty&quot; belief.

Just more proof that Harper and his government bends over for big corps and has absolutely no care for Canada at all.
I hope the other parties use this against Harper and the conservatives in the next election.

Canada is not and will not be a Police State even if Harper thinks he is god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This violates our privacy rights and also kills the &#8220;Innocent until proven guilty&#8221; belief.</p>
<p>Just more proof that Harper and his government bends over for big corps and has absolutely no care for Canada at all.<br />
I hope the other parties use this against Harper and the conservatives in the next election.</p>
<p>Canada is not and will not be a Police State even if Harper thinks he is god.</p>
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		<title>By: grumbles</title>
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		<dc:creator>grumbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not just let google do it all for them?

google could provide a 360 degree view of the targets home, wiretap them on all communications, force install call-home spyware, and notify police if someone doesn&#039;t conform to the norm.

Make it mandatory. No opt-in required.

Those tinfoil hat people who want an opt-out will have their file with all communications passed onto the cops.

Google is in the best position to supply this service.

It will be good for the economy and stimulate business and  tourism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not just let google do it all for them?</p>
<p>google could provide a 360 degree view of the targets home, wiretap them on all communications, force install call-home spyware, and notify police if someone doesn&#8217;t conform to the norm.</p>
<p>Make it mandatory. No opt-in required.</p>
<p>Those tinfoil hat people who want an opt-out will have their file with all communications passed onto the cops.</p>
<p>Google is in the best position to supply this service.</p>
<p>It will be good for the economy and stimulate business and  tourism.</p>
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