p2pnet.net News Feature:- Sex and death are what life is all about. And like it or not, pornography is an integral part of the human experience. It always has been and it always will be. It’s part of the deal.

Some of the world’s most famous art, written and visual, is erotic – which is just another way of saying it’s pornographic.

Parents have always tried to keep their offspring from looking at dirty pictures – including, no doubt, dirty frescoes. But the kids’ll do it anyway, just like they’ll try cigarettes and booze and play doctors and nurses behind the garage.

Where would Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt be without it? And Hollywood certainly couldn’t survive without sex – and violence – despite the fact it routinely raises the spectre of online pornography as a weapon against its only viable competition. p2p.

And consider this: “Sociology Professor Liu Dalin of Shanghai University is a pioneer of sex studies in China. Now 72-years old, Prof. Liu started researching China’s sexual culture in 1985, and in 1999 he opened China’s first sex museum in Shanghai. Sex has long been a taboo subject in China, and even in Shanghai, one of China’s most open cities, Prof. Liu’s museum of sexual culture ruffled many feathers. After several changes of location, the museum has re-opened in what the Prof. Liu hopes is a more permanent home in the small town of Tongli in Suzhou, some 80 kilometers away from Shanghai.”

p2pnet carried a news story on China’s plan to eradicate online pornography and it provoked a lot of interesting for-and-against comment posts (52 at the time of writing).

Below are just a few. To get the full flavour, follow the threads.

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Three Cheers for China !!!
The Chinese government may leave a lot to be desired, but they have enough insight to know that purveyors of porn will destroy their social fabric if allowed to go unchecked.
David – Columbus, OH

Pornography can be art as well as love for the female body and its beauty. It has to be allowed. I agree pornography can also be exploitation, and most often becomes it, especially in poor countries like China, Russia, Thailand, etc… Or in poor neighboorhoods of big cities such as New York. However, it’s under the pretenses of morality that most dictatorships and sects thrive. The tools for political censorships and the dangerous curtaining of freedom are always obtained either through fear (ie. terrorism) or through puritanism (ie. pornography). The countries where pornography is banned and where the rights of woman’s are not equal to those of men, are the less advanced and less developped countries in the world. Take Irak, Saudi-Arabia, Nigeria, and China… The problem with Pornography lies with men. Human males have to be able to control themselves and this is where progress can be made. Not through controls and censorships which only leads to frustrations and psychological disorders. Philippe

If porn is so evil and morally wrong then please explain why it is such a huge business – both on and off the Internet. Does it exploit women – yes. Do sewing sweat shops in China exploit women? Hmmm…I would think so. I can think of a few hundred industries that exploit {insert sex, race, nationality, citizenship status, etc. here}. Also, let’s not forget – a large portion of sex sites have women models that are perfectly willing to participate without feeling exploited in the least. All that aside – saying that porn is evil and bad… Would anyone want to give up the freedom to view porn? OK, if so then what next? Maybe those romance novels, they are literary equivalents of porn. HBO is totally off the air then… Wait – the SuperBowl had a little porn action this year, let’s shut down the NFL? I didn’t serve in the USMC to allow a bunch of parents that are not able and not willing to raise their children properly to dictate what freedoms I do and do not have. I agree measures should exist to protect children (like creating a VERY easy to block .sex top level domain and limit adult material to that). If an adult, however, wants to view porn – then by all means he/she should be allowed to do so without my interference. Don’t some of you people have more important things to worry about….like maybe raising your children with actual parental guidence and input rather then leaving parenting up to the government?

Free speech, as an inherent right, is one that will exist despite crackdowns. The Chinese people are the best in the world at subverting their govt’s limitations (Beijing is home to the software piracy capital of the world-barely a few miles from Tiananmen Square). The Chinese govt has passed a law and may or may not enforce it. If the chinese people want the right to view porn, they will do it, thereby speaking the popular mind. Govt exists as a moral safeguard, established by the people. Through it we declare some things right (public education, sanitary water, etc) and others wrong (murder, dumping toxic waste, etc). Often time things are declared, but not decided. Some of those things in flux are put on a national stage (gay marriage). Others are fought quietly. Speeding has been declared wrong, but most people disagree with the limit and decline to obey it. Cops do not always follow the rules posted- writing tickets when you are 10, 20+ miles over on a freeway, or writing you a ticket if you are 5 over in a school zone. Pornography, if decided wrong by the populace, will be relegated to dark alleys. Currently it is in flux in our country. That does not mean that other countries which have chosen to make it illegal are denying the inalienable right to post/view a pair of breasts. They have declared it wrong and their constituents can choose to agree. Do not confuse the moral issue of porn with the right to govern others. Try as they might, govts have only limited control over actions. Even in a dictatorship, the people have control over their own beliefs.

After watching the Sixty Minutes program on TV yesterday in which they reported the involvement of multi-nationals in Pornography,the earnings of those multi-nationals and the comments of those involved,any reasonable and sensible person would draw the conclusion that there was little or no hope for a cleaner and better society in the future.And all this because in the country of origin there was little or no control on the availability and distribution of such material. China desrves all praise for their actions and a positive comment from ‘David’ is a ray of hope for humanity. Would it not be nice if the same people who were so keen on poking their noses into the affairs of other countries and exciting their citizens by making false statements and lying had to divert their attention to more important matters such as maintaining a high standard of morals? Soon enough,depraved minds will lead to a corrupt corporate world and financial disaster. Stan – B.C.Canada

Look closer at what going on insight China and then You people wouldn’t be in shock at all. I don’t get the POINT of putting my family in Jail for this. Our country is the biggest SEX ADDICTS just look at our population CLOSE to 2billion.. That will tell you something. Who is this LAW for? I think they are trying to say something like this It’s OK to fuck anybody but don’t look at porn site… Maybe they are worried about there old chinese sex position. Ying Xi – Anti-Communist – Free Tibet

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The comment score now stands at 67, and here’s another interesting post >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

There are many points to consider from both sides concerning this issue. I refuse to represent any opinion other than mine since that would be tyrannical on my part. So here is what my experience has been with porn.

1. I like porn somewhat. Like ice cream I suppose. Before I had ice cream, I had no idea what it tasted like. Then one day I was given some, and I thought it tasted really good. Now as I got older, I began to learn that it wasn’t good to eat ice cream everyday, especially if you were at risk for heart disease and obesity. Porn reminds me of ice cream, except I would have to multiply it’s addictive properties by ten fold.

2. I want to be a moral person. What that is, I really don’t know for sure since morality is subject to a person’s cultural and religious upbringing and point of view. I guess it has to do with wholesome and unwholesome thoughts and actions. Now before you get analytical about “wholesome vs. unwholesome”, let me define it for this conversation. Wholesomeness is any action, speech or thought that benefits yourself AND other beings while Unwholesomeness is the negative of that description.

3. I came from Vietnam, a country that is now completely communist. I don’t particularly care for that form of government, because though I agree with it conceptually, I understand that it will never ever work because humans will always have greed, avarice, hate etc. in their blood. So eventually, the leaders of these communist governments will eventually act base on these negative mental states while hiding behind the banner of “Universal Equality for All”. So they take land, and wealth and “redistribute” (wink, wink) them to the people.

4. I love living in America. Indeed it was the call of “Freedom” that beckoned our family to come to this great country. But in America, especially Corporate America, Media America, and Average America has done exactly what some communists have done in regards to acting with greed, hate, lust etc. Not all of Corporate America or Entertainment America has done this of course, there or nice companies out there too.

So anyways, what has happened many times over our history is the defense of unwholesomeness with the idea of Freedom of Speech, Press and Religion. We have freedoms. But it doesn’t mean that we should make the idea of Freedom static and one dimensional as though anything that infringes on this idea is UNAMERICAN. Our “Freedom” no matter how we like to caress it and cling to it is obviously not really true freedom at all.

Many people agree that freedom of speech doesn’t allow you to scream “fire” in a crowded theatre. And so it is in the spirit of the idea of “Freedom with Responsibility” that I argue against those people who support the unequivocal rights of expression of internet porn peddlers. It is not for the sake of the adults, but for the sake of the children of America that the ease of access of pornography must be regulated.

I’m all for having the right to jerk-off when I want in my own home, but not at the expense of some child’s mind. My concern for the children makes me pro-censorship, but my addiction to hot naked women is screaming at me “what it the hell are you doing?” In the end, I must side with the children and absence of mind agitating mediums such as porn and violence. As a wise saint once said, “Just as it feels good to scratch an itch, but even better is to not have the itch. The bliss of heaven amounts to not even one eighth the bliss of the end of craving.”

So in regards to reducing the accessibility of internet porn, I think China is headed in the right direction. But by no means am I championing the eradication of porn or sexuality in all forms. To do that would be equivalent to the poor misguided religious attempt to suppress a part of humanity which is in our biological makeup. We don’t need to point fingers at those poor souls who thought this was the way and ended up in lawsuits over child sex abuse.

On the flip side, to allow porn to be easily displayed, sold and accessed, is just the collaboration of our lust and intelligence to justify our addiction to sense pleasures with the Golden Calf of America – the ideal of Freedom of Expression.

I hope that this didn’t ruffle any feathers. I tried to be fair and neutral and apologize the JudeoChristian reference to the Golden Calf. It was a figure of speech. Well, I gotta finish up some work and hope that I don’t get the urge to whack off… man that wastes so much time sometimes. I hope I can learn to control my time more productively in the near future. Best wishes.

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