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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24222/comment-page-1#comment-977655</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I just gotta say something:

   1. If they&#039;ve been trying to run this deal for &quot;years&quot;, then that makes me sorta worried about what their original intention with TPB was, from the beginning.  I&#039;ll (probably) read the interview later, but, by the same token, they can SAY a lot of things, but that doesn&#039;t stop the new owners from taking TPB in a different direction.  (Contrast the REAL Mp3.com of bygone years, with the corporate-funded shitsmear it&#039;s become.  
   Or, for that matter, the &quot;New&quot; Crapster -- I mean Napster.  (God, what a piece of crap THAT is.)

   2. I might be kinda paranoid here, but this whole thing smacks of a really elaborate ploy:
   First the TPB guys get themselves looking extremely badass and &quot;anti-establishment&quot; by utterly refusing to &quot;play nice&quot; and comply with takedown notices.  (REALLY solid move, from a &quot;copyfighter&quot; perspective, but when you look at the &quot;bigger picture&quot;, kinda hollow.

   Then, after they basically get declared the &quot;flagship&quot; of torrent indexers and the MOST utterly-hardcore about standing up to the bullshit, we find out that the Swedish government doesn&#039;t think that judge was &quot;biased&quot;, even though he&#039;s a member of a lot of pro-copy&quot;right&quot; groups.  Methinks maybe the trial was possibly NOT about &quot;stopping piracy&quot; so much as just drumming up publicity and good feelings for TPB.  (Which they succeeded in doing.)

   3. Now, we hear that they&#039;re selling TPB to some &quot;gaming&quot; company (or at least it has &quot;gaming&quot; in it&#039;s name), and the first thing out of the new owners&#039; mouths is about &quot;stopping today&#039;s pirates&quot;.   It&#039;s also at least somewhat dismaying that they explicitly mention &quot;copyright holders&quot; as a seperate category from &quot;content providers&quot;.  

    So, to put it bluntly, it really looks like TPB is -- or at least might be -- a repeat of KaZaa (big damn honeypot for &quot;Big Media&quot;.)

   Somehow this doesn&#039;t surprise me if the TPB guys want to take the money and run, while the REAL TPB is destroyed to make way for more lobotomized, corporate crap.  I mean, look at Fanning -- first, he creates Napster, then he takes the money and runs, THEN he creates that Snocap thing, explicitly marketed as something to protect &quot;Rights-holders&quot;.  

    So, sad as it is to say, TPB is probably irretrievably fucked -- but the TPB guys managed to cash in, and --- like we all figured -- they probably won&#039;t even face jail-time after the appeals process.  We&#039;ll have fairly conclusive evidence if the &quot;legal problems&quot; start going away really easily.

   Sad to say, but a lot of the biggest names in the &quot;copy-fight&quot; scene look to be sellouts.

   But, like other folks have said, the &quot;war&quot; will go on -- TPB replaced other stuff, and other stuff will undoubtedly replace TPB.

   (On the -- potential -- bright side, the New owners might actually deploy &quot;business models&quot; that aren&#039;t total shit -- such as promoting &quot;permissive&quot; licenses like the GPL and Creative Commons.  At least that will have SOME use as a hosting/distribution platform, even if one that&#039;s deliberately been &quot;de-fanged&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I just gotta say something:</p>
<p>   1. If they&#8217;ve been trying to run this deal for &#8220;years&#8221;, then that makes me sorta worried about what their original intention with TPB was, from the beginning.  I&#8217;ll (probably) read the interview later, but, by the same token, they can SAY a lot of things, but that doesn&#8217;t stop the new owners from taking TPB in a different direction.  (Contrast the REAL Mp3.com of bygone years, with the corporate-funded shitsmear it&#8217;s become.<br />
   Or, for that matter, the &#8220;New&#8221; Crapster &#8212; I mean Napster.  (God, what a piece of crap THAT is.)</p>
<p>   2. I might be kinda paranoid here, but this whole thing smacks of a really elaborate ploy:<br />
   First the TPB guys get themselves looking extremely badass and &#8220;anti-establishment&#8221; by utterly refusing to &#8220;play nice&#8221; and comply with takedown notices.  (REALLY solid move, from a &#8220;copyfighter&#8221; perspective, but when you look at the &#8220;bigger picture&#8221;, kinda hollow.</p>
<p>   Then, after they basically get declared the &#8220;flagship&#8221; of torrent indexers and the MOST utterly-hardcore about standing up to the bullshit, we find out that the Swedish government doesn&#8217;t think that judge was &#8220;biased&#8221;, even though he&#8217;s a member of a lot of pro-copy&#8221;right&#8221; groups.  Methinks maybe the trial was possibly NOT about &#8220;stopping piracy&#8221; so much as just drumming up publicity and good feelings for TPB.  (Which they succeeded in doing.)</p>
<p>   3. Now, we hear that they&#8217;re selling TPB to some &#8220;gaming&#8221; company (or at least it has &#8220;gaming&#8221; in it&#8217;s name), and the first thing out of the new owners&#8217; mouths is about &#8220;stopping today&#8217;s pirates&#8221;.   It&#8217;s also at least somewhat dismaying that they explicitly mention &#8220;copyright holders&#8221; as a seperate category from &#8220;content providers&#8221;.  </p>
<p>    So, to put it bluntly, it really looks like TPB is &#8212; or at least might be &#8212; a repeat of KaZaa (big damn honeypot for &#8220;Big Media&#8221;.)</p>
<p>   Somehow this doesn&#8217;t surprise me if the TPB guys want to take the money and run, while the REAL TPB is destroyed to make way for more lobotomized, corporate crap.  I mean, look at Fanning &#8212; first, he creates Napster, then he takes the money and runs, THEN he creates that Snocap thing, explicitly marketed as something to protect &#8220;Rights-holders&#8221;.  </p>
<p>    So, sad as it is to say, TPB is probably irretrievably fucked &#8212; but the TPB guys managed to cash in, and &#8212; like we all figured &#8212; they probably won&#8217;t even face jail-time after the appeals process.  We&#8217;ll have fairly conclusive evidence if the &#8220;legal problems&#8221; start going away really easily.</p>
<p>   Sad to say, but a lot of the biggest names in the &#8220;copy-fight&#8221; scene look to be sellouts.</p>
<p>   But, like other folks have said, the &#8220;war&#8221; will go on &#8212; TPB replaced other stuff, and other stuff will undoubtedly replace TPB.</p>
<p>   (On the &#8212; potential &#8212; bright side, the New owners might actually deploy &#8220;business models&#8221; that aren&#8217;t total shit &#8212; such as promoting &#8220;permissive&#8221; licenses like the GPL and Creative Commons.  At least that will have SOME use as a hosting/distribution platform, even if one that&#8217;s deliberately been &#8220;de-fanged&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24222/comment-page-1#comment-977639</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure this is such a bad move.  Regardless of what anyone&#039;s position is on copyright and filesharing, I highly doubt The Pirate Bay&#039;s founders were hell-bent on depriving content owners of their income.  Rather, they sought to embrace modern technology to create a new distribution method that would empower the consumers and correct any flaws or restrictions imposed by the current one, just like many other torrent site operators, software developpers, etc.  This new type of business model is the first step towards ending the war between the content cartels and their consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure this is such a bad move.  Regardless of what anyone&#8217;s position is on copyright and filesharing, I highly doubt The Pirate Bay&#8217;s founders were hell-bent on depriving content owners of their income.  Rather, they sought to embrace modern technology to create a new distribution method that would empower the consumers and correct any flaws or restrictions imposed by the current one, just like many other torrent site operators, software developpers, etc.  This new type of business model is the first step towards ending the war between the content cartels and their consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: RadialSkid</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24222/comment-page-1#comment-977638</link>
		<dc:creator>RadialSkid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m keeping an eye on this one....I keep thinking the TPB guys have something up their sleeves. I think they&#039;re too dedicated to just sell out. Or maybe I just want to think that.

In any case, ultimately, TPB is just a torrent tracker. There are other torrent trackers out there. Contrary to what the MAFIAA (and even many of those that fight them) may believe, the elimination of the Pirate Bay will not stop or even curtail their so-called &quot;piracy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m keeping an eye on this one&#8230;.I keep thinking the TPB guys have something up their sleeves. I think they&#8217;re too dedicated to just sell out. Or maybe I just want to think that.</p>
<p>In any case, ultimately, TPB is just a torrent tracker. There are other torrent trackers out there. Contrary to what the MAFIAA (and even many of those that fight them) may believe, the elimination of the Pirate Bay will not stop or even curtail their so-called &#8220;piracy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: thewilmerx</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24222/comment-page-1#comment-977615</link>
		<dc:creator>thewilmerx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far there have been 700 plus comments in their blog and more than half of them are asking to have their accts removed, the tpb seems surprised of that but has promised to set up an acct removal function at some point today, so that will most likely be at the end of the week.
 In another post i said tpb would be gone within a year, i will change that to 6 months. 
 Since i am living in the Corporate States of Riaa i used tpb mostly to get shows and films from the scandinavian countries, but i have found a few private trackers that are giving me the same now, so i am not going to miss tpb, it is just a shame that they sell out everything they have said that they stood for just like that. And also, that everyone had to read it via the newswire outlets, and not on their own blog first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far there have been 700 plus comments in their blog and more than half of them are asking to have their accts removed, the tpb seems surprised of that but has promised to set up an acct removal function at some point today, so that will most likely be at the end of the week.<br />
 In another post i said tpb would be gone within a year, i will change that to 6 months.<br />
 Since i am living in the Corporate States of Riaa i used tpb mostly to get shows and films from the scandinavian countries, but i have found a few private trackers that are giving me the same now, so i am not going to miss tpb, it is just a shame that they sell out everything they have said that they stood for just like that. And also, that everyone had to read it via the newswire outlets, and not on their own blog first.</p>
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		<title>By: NO1UNO</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24222/comment-page-1#comment-977612</link>
		<dc:creator>NO1UNO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While this &quot;looks&quot; bad......what bugs me right now is that surfer has gone silent!

byo &amp; stw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this &#8220;looks&#8221; bad&#8230;&#8230;what bugs me right now is that surfer has gone silent!</p>
<p>byo &amp; stw</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24222/comment-page-1#comment-977603</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll wait and see what happens.. but it will probably fade away. $ always wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll wait and see what happens.. but it will probably fade away. $ always wins.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24222/comment-page-1#comment-977600</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Downloads tracked by The Pirate Bay, despite often having a great number of seeds and peers on most popular torrents, has always been very slow in spite of the fact that my provider doesn&#039;t throttle. I gave up trying to help others there by making an account so I could comment a long time ago since it would always get deleted within 24 hours for no reason. These are the primary reasons as to why I prefer Demonoid and others. To be honest I&#039;m not at all surprised by this news and in fact predicted it about half a year ago. Everyone sells out eventually. It&#039;s just a matter of time and we all knew theirs was up. Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Downloads tracked by The Pirate Bay, despite often having a great number of seeds and peers on most popular torrents, has always been very slow in spite of the fact that my provider doesn&#8217;t throttle. I gave up trying to help others there by making an account so I could comment a long time ago since it would always get deleted within 24 hours for no reason. These are the primary reasons as to why I prefer Demonoid and others. To be honest I&#8217;m not at all surprised by this news and in fact predicted it about half a year ago. Everyone sells out eventually. It&#8217;s just a matter of time and we all knew theirs was up. Right?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24222/comment-page-1#comment-977598</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the most common blog commets there is &quot;cancel my account&quot;.

Looks like another bookmarked torrent site I&#039;m going to have to delete. I
did however keep Mininova as there is still a lot of content they are not filtering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most common blog commets there is &#8220;cancel my account&#8221;.</p>
<p>Looks like another bookmarked torrent site I&#8217;m going to have to delete. I<br />
did however keep Mininova as there is still a lot of content they are not filtering.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz from Giganews</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24222/comment-page-1#comment-977590</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz from Giganews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>um wow, need more coffee to process this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um wow, need more coffee to process this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24222/comment-page-1#comment-977585</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tomas WennstrÃ¶m: &quot;I got a an interview with TPBâs spokesperson Peter Sunde, and in this podcast he talks about how the deal is set up, why Pirate Bay is sold, the heat TPB is getting from some disappointed fans and the future of the site.&quot;

http://www.whatsnext.se/2009/06/30/podcast-with-peter-sunde-on-the-ggfs-accquisition-of-the-pirate-bay/

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tomas WennstrÃ¶m: &#8220;I got a an interview with TPBâs spokesperson Peter Sunde, and in this podcast he talks about how the deal is set up, why Pirate Bay is sold, the heat TPB is getting from some disappointed fans and the future of the site.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whatsnext.se/2009/06/30/podcast-with-peter-sunde-on-the-ggfs-accquisition-of-the-pirate-bay/" rel="nofollow">http://www.whatsnext.se/2009/06/30/podcast-with-peter-sunde-on-the-ggfs-accquisition-of-the-pirate-bay/</a></p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24222/comment-page-1#comment-977583</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Now, the BIG change is that the tracker is going to be outsourced to a new formed company that wont know what they track, just that they connect peers, and the torrent listings will be handed by an other new company that will have torrents but they will not know either content or who is using the torrents. This setup will be practically impossible to take down or find anyone liable to sue.&quot;


http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/8wwkp/they_they_sold_the_pirate_bay/c0aow1t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now, the BIG change is that the tracker is going to be outsourced to a new formed company that wont know what they track, just that they connect peers, and the torrent listings will be handed by an other new company that will have torrents but they will not know either content or who is using the torrents. This setup will be practically impossible to take down or find anyone liable to sue.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/8wwkp/they_they_sold_the_pirate_bay/c0aow1t" rel="nofollow">http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/8wwkp/they_they_sold_the_pirate_bay/c0aow1t</a></p>
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		<title>By: thewilmerx</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24222/comment-page-1#comment-977582</link>
		<dc:creator>thewilmerx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A year at most, then it will be gone. People go will migrate to something new instead. I for one is outta TPB now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A year at most, then it will be gone. People go will migrate to something new instead. I for one is outta TPB now.</p>
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		<title>By: zakk</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24222/comment-page-1#comment-977579</link>
		<dc:creator>zakk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very bad move , the worst TPB made ever!  And theywere more clever than IFPI so far ... 
Possibly their last moves were unsucessful to persuade the savvy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very bad move , the worst TPB made ever!  And theywere more clever than IFPI so far &#8230;<br />
Possibly their last moves were unsucessful to persuade the savvy</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24222/comment-page-1#comment-977574</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>âWe will eliminate todayâs â¦ pirates,â says Pandeya.


Yeah, right. Stupid fuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>âWe will eliminate todayâs â¦ pirates,â says Pandeya.</p>
<p>Yeah, right. Stupid fuck.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24222/comment-page-1#comment-977573</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trial was not against the site, it was against the four people running it.

So, a very bright move!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trial was not against the site, it was against the four people running it.</p>
<p>So, a very bright move!</p>
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		<title>By: I told you so</title>
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		<dc:creator>I told you so</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, one way or another, Big Media always win. To see them pull this shit with extremely lame prosecutions and obviously bent judges really makes me sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, one way or another, Big Media always win. To see them pull this shit with extremely lame prosecutions and obviously bent judges really makes me sick.</p>
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		<title>By: ~Zammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>~Zammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truly a unforgivable act by Pirate Bay. They were the fore runners for net nutrality and they pull this fucking shit?

How many users are now back stabbed by Peter? Seriously...

This is fucking redicolous.

Goodbye Pirate bay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truly a unforgivable act by Pirate Bay. They were the fore runners for net nutrality and they pull this fucking shit?</p>
<p>How many users are now back stabbed by Peter? Seriously&#8230;</p>
<p>This is fucking redicolous.</p>
<p>Goodbye Pirate bay.</p>
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