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	<title>Comments on: Free: The Future of a Radical Price</title>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin Kelly trips up when he says &quot;When copies are free, you need to sell things which can not be copied.&quot;

Kevin certainly understands the Internet and the folly of attempting to protect the price of copies via anachronistic copyright legislation.

Unfortunately, his conclusion is grievously malformed. He should have said &lt;strong&gt;&quot;When copies of things are free, you need to sell the things, not the copies&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;. It doesn&#039;t matter whether things can be copied, unless you were hoping to profit from a state granted privilege of exclusive sale/manufacture of copies, such as patent or copyright.

For example, it&#039;s quite possible to sell GPL software (free as in speech, not beer) despite the fact that it can be freely copied (without charge). The consequence is not that people give up selling software, but that people give up selling copies of it (except added value affixed thereto).

This doesn&#039;t invalidate the many things that Kelly suggests can also be sold, but it remains perfectly possible to sell digital art despite the market for digital copies becoming quickly saturated.

The value is in the art, not the copy.

That the instantaneous diffusion of the Internet may devalue copies does not consequently devalue the art so copied. The art and its value remains unaffected.

The notion that the value of art resides in each of its copies is an illusion created entirely by copyright.

&quot;When art may be freely copied at negligible cost, sell the art - not copies&quot;

Thus, sell the blockbuster movie - do not try and sell copies. People still value the movie just as much as ever, but the market for copies is over.

Copyright is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Kelly trips up when he says &#8220;When copies are free, you need to sell things which can not be copied.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kevin certainly understands the Internet and the folly of attempting to protect the price of copies via anachronistic copyright legislation.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, his conclusion is grievously malformed. He should have said <strong>&#8220;When copies of things are free, you need to sell the things, not the copies&#8221;</strong>. It doesn&#8217;t matter whether things can be copied, unless you were hoping to profit from a state granted privilege of exclusive sale/manufacture of copies, such as patent or copyright.</p>
<p>For example, it&#8217;s quite possible to sell GPL software (free as in speech, not beer) despite the fact that it can be freely copied (without charge). The consequence is not that people give up selling software, but that people give up selling copies of it (except added value affixed thereto).</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t invalidate the many things that Kelly suggests can also be sold, but it remains perfectly possible to sell digital art despite the market for digital copies becoming quickly saturated.</p>
<p>The value is in the art, not the copy.</p>
<p>That the instantaneous diffusion of the Internet may devalue copies does not consequently devalue the art so copied. The art and its value remains unaffected.</p>
<p>The notion that the value of art resides in each of its copies is an illusion created entirely by copyright.</p>
<p>&#8220;When art may be freely copied at negligible cost, sell the art &#8211; not copies&#8221;</p>
<p>Thus, sell the blockbuster movie &#8211; do not try and sell copies. People still value the movie just as much as ever, but the market for copies is over.</p>
<p>Copyright is over.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24431/comment-page-1#comment-977872</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the page linked from Coding horror, 

http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/01/better_than_fre.php

this caught my attention:

&quot;
When copies are free, you need to sell things which can not be copied. 

Well, what can&#039;t be copied? 

There are a number of qualities that can&#039;t be copied. Consider &quot;trust.&quot; Trust cannot be copied. You can&#039;t purchase it. Trust must be earned, over time. It cannot be downloaded. Or faked. Or counterfeited (at least for long). If everything else is equal, you&#039;ll always prefer to deal with someone you can trust. So trust is an intangible that has increasing value in a copy saturated world.
&quot;

And here is an excerpt from the trusted computing video:

Trust

Trust is the personal believe in correctness of something.
It is the deep conviction of truth and rightness and cannot be enforced
If you gain someones trust
you have established an interpersonal relationship
based on communication, shared values and experiences.
Trust always depends on mutuality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the page linked from Coding horror, </p>
<p><a href="http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/01/better_than_fre.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/01/better_than_fre.php</a></p>
<p>this caught my attention:</p>
<p>&#8221;<br />
When copies are free, you need to sell things which can not be copied. </p>
<p>Well, what can&#8217;t be copied? </p>
<p>There are a number of qualities that can&#8217;t be copied. Consider &#8220;trust.&#8221; Trust cannot be copied. You can&#8217;t purchase it. Trust must be earned, over time. It cannot be downloaded. Or faked. Or counterfeited (at least for long). If everything else is equal, you&#8217;ll always prefer to deal with someone you can trust. So trust is an intangible that has increasing value in a copy saturated world.<br />
&#8221;</p>
<p>And here is an excerpt from the trusted computing video:</p>
<p>Trust</p>
<p>Trust is the personal believe in correctness of something.<br />
It is the deep conviction of truth and rightness and cannot be enforced<br />
If you gain someones trust<br />
you have established an interpersonal relationship<br />
based on communication, shared values and experiences.<br />
Trust always depends on mutuality.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24431/comment-page-1#comment-977871</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Entertainment kartels are constantly whining how they can&#039;t compete with free.

But there are at least eight other qualities that let your product win over free alternative.

I was reading the Coding horror blog and found this:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001097.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Entertainment kartels are constantly whining how they can&#8217;t compete with free.</p>
<p>But there are at least eight other qualities that let your product win over free alternative.</p>
<p>I was reading the Coding horror blog and found this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001097.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001097.html</a></p>
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