p2pnet news view Freedom | P2P:- Today was the first day of the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) ‘investigation’ into traffic throttling / net neutrality in Canada.

The CIPPIC (Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic) has been following the proceedings on Twitter.

p2pnet will be running each day as it comes, and here, from the top down, is »»»

DAY I

1. All done for today, reconvening tomorrow morning at 9am. CIPPIC will post a summary of the morning at http://cippic.ca/. #netneutrality
2. Quote of the morning: “There is more ways to kill a cat then drowning it in cream” #netneutrality
3. Denton: “I like where you’re coming from in terms of common carrier obligations.” Well that’s a good sign. #netneutrality
4. He also mentioned the reports in the media regarding Canada being behind in cost and broadband, see: http://bit.ly/4W02i #netneutrality
5. Woah, Mr. Katz is saying that if ITMPs are restricted than costs will go up and that’s a bad thing for Canadians. #netneutrality
6. Mr. Katz seems to have renamed ITMPs to “network integrity solutions”. #netneutrality
7. PIAC: Yes, customers should have the right to have their traffic passed without being changed or interfered with. #netneutrality
8. Ms. Lamarre: Are you actually saying that 36 is equivalent to a fundamental right? (More from the Oakes-like test) #netneutrality
9. Ms. Lamarre if we were to conclude that a pay-per-use system was warranted what principles would be affected? #netneutrality
10. CRTC Where is the evidence that P2P isn’t as high as http traffic? PIAC: From the Telus numbers, no-one else gave any info. #netneutrality
11. CRTC mentioned “the policy directive”. For those interested in parliament and law, here is the beef: http://bit.ly/KsrSR #netneutrality
12. Konrad: I am not prepared to assume that there will be abuse.
13. CRTC: Why are you so concerned about DPI? PIAC: There will be abuse for price discrimination and other reasons.
14. CRTC is asking why DPI that is only used for maintaining the integrity of the network is a privacy concern. #netneutrality
15. PIAC is finished opening… The chair is asking questions. #netneutrality
16. PIAC: There needs to be very detailed information easily available on the ITMPs being used by and ISP. #netneutrality
17. Acronym Defined: ITMP (Internet (invasive) traffic management practice) #netneutrality
18. PIAC: ITMPs based on DPI where the goal is to learn what app is being used for the gain of the carrier are never acceptable. #netneutrality
19. PIAC: ISPs should be required to justify their ITMPs under a test that looks similar to the Oakes test. http://bit.ly/JrCVh #netneutrality
20. PIAC: None of the ISPs have provided enough information to pass mustard under section 36. Vague analogies are not enough. #netneutrality
21. PIAC: All ISPs that which to use DPI-based ITMPs should be required to apply to the CRTC under section 36. #netneutrality
22. PIAC is addressing some of the assumptions that were laid out in in the hearing. See: http://bit.ly/12ODyB #netneutrality
23. PIAC: common carriage, not traffic management, is the goal of these hearings. #netneutrality
24. Next up is PIAC who should have a very different take on these issues than our network infrastructure friends. #netneutrality
25. Juniper is finished. Started slow but good questions coming from the commission on privacy and innovation. #netneutrality
26. Questions have shifted to the process for manufacturing equipment? #netneutrality
27. Juniper: “Historically the applications and networks were completely ambivalent to eachother” #netneutrality
28. Michael Jackson mention count: 6 – Denton asking to link information to section 36. #netneutrality
29. Any reason to drill down into customer data? Juniper: that depends on the ISP and the ISPs policies. #netneutrality
30. Questions have now shifted to privacy, not much about P2P there. #netneutrality
31. Juniper doesn’t think it’s the best vendor to talk about it since it focuses on threats. #netneutrality
32. Direct question about DPI and P2P regarding upstream and downstream. #netneutrality
33. Questions have shifted to deep packet inspection. Juniper talking about how they use DPI to mitigate P2P and DDOS. #netneutrality
34. Live comments and discussion of the #netneutrality hearing is being done at the National Post: http://bit.ly/qi6dQ
35. The technology exists for consumers to determine the priority of their applications? Juniper: Not widely available in Canada #netneutrality
36. CRTC is really pushing the “open garden” and “white listing” and who decides this priority. #netneutrality
37. Now asking about the walled garden and IPTV and how that impacts the external Internet. #netneutrality
38. Great point by the CRTC! Pointing out that shaping is being used to manage the steady state peak periods not mother’s day. #netneutrality
39. Juniper is talking about the top 5% heavy users and mentioned Michael Jackson for the 4th time this morning. #netneutrality
40. The brief presentation was brief. The chair is asking questions now. #netneutrality
41. Juniper Networks asking for room for innovation in traffic management practice #netneutrality
42. Juniper Networks is looking for the applications and networks to innovate together. #netneutrality
43. @kaplanmyth CIPPIC will be making presentations on behalf of the Campaign for Democratic Media on Thursday. #netneutrality
44. Next up is Juniper Networks, another network infrastructure provider. #netneutrality
45. Sandvine is finished, we’re on a 10-minute break. #netneutrality
46. Molnar: Why are we only focusing congestion when there are other uses and motivations? #netneutrality
47. Denton is asking questions about prioritization standards and how to define quality of the Internet use. #netneutrality
48. Next up Tim Denton. Sandvine: “An unmanaged network is not neutral”
49. Sandvine: The consumer should define malicious traffic. #netneutrality
50. Len Katz has finished. Suzanne Lamarre has some questions. First up, “who defines malicious traffic?” #netneutrality
51. Sandvine says the capability likely is not there yet, but could be. Also that consumers don’t care about that information. #netneutrality
52. Mr. Katz asked whether the capability would be there to record information on specific consumption and what consumers get. #netneutrality
53. CRTC asking questions about peaks. Sandvine, long term peaks are predictable, short term peaks are not. #netneutrality
54. The chairman is finished questioning Sandvine. Len Katz has some questions. #netneutrality
55. Sandvine: Wireless is different and might require additional tools to be available. #netneutrality
56. CRTC is asking questions regarding privacy and DPI. Seems to believe that the info will only be used for traffic management. @netneutrality
57. Sandvine is arguing that economics (”agile billing”) would be a “nearly utopian” essentially price per byte. #netneutrality
58. von Finckenstein, Katz, Lamarre, Molnar, and Denton are the members of the panel. #netneutrality
59. Sandvine up first, a provider of “solutions” that “improve the quality of experience on the Internet”. #netneutrality
60. Today we will hear from Sandvine, Juniper Networks, Two Consumer Groups and finally PIAC. #netneutrality
61. After some technical difficulties we’re live in the hearing room. #netneutrality

Stay tuned …

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