Comments on: Ogg Theora, Vorbis as HTML 5 defaults? http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24593 p2pnet.net - reader powered Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:08:48 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: David Gerard http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24593/comment-page-1#comment-979149 David Gerard Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:18:44 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=24593#comment-979149 When Nokia were furiously FUDding about Ogg Vorbis and Ogg Theora, suggesting AAC instead ... they somehow neglected to note that they are beneficiaries of the AAC patent pool. I can't think how such a detail escaped mention; must have been an unfortunate error. When Nokia were furiously FUDding about Ogg Vorbis and Ogg Theora, suggesting AAC instead … they somehow neglected to note that they are beneficiaries of the AAC patent pool. I can’t think how such a detail escaped mention; must have been an unfortunate error.

]]> By: Sunit Das http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24593/comment-page-1#comment-978104 Sunit Das Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:30:44 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=24593#comment-978104 Well, it appears to be the (as yet, completely unfounded) fear that somehow a patent already exists, somewhere out there, that someone may decide at some point, is infringed on by the free release of Ogg Theora. So, then that someone would take on the biggest bank account in court (which, of the aforementioned parties, is Google with a market cap @ $128B), and then Apple (with a market cap @ $122B) and see if they can either score a settlement (which could set a precedent from which to launch other lawsuits against smaller "infringers"), or be sued out of existence by these two companies. I didn't reference MS here (clearly larger than both) because it's pretty obvious that they have no interest in supporting Theora in any way (they have their own Windows Media codecs that they'd probably rather be the HTML5 standard, so they can collect the patent licensing fees from all the web browsers). So, it doesn't seem to be a concern that anything is wrong with the technology, just fear of a malicious law suit, uncertainty of patent trolls, and doubt that adequate "hardware support" exists (at lest from Apple). In regards to Theora delivering 'the “quality per bit” required for YouTube', this is simply a case of the open source director at Google speaking without really knowing what he's talking about, essentially making assumptions, and probably without any real discussion with Xiph.org about their codecs. Here's a good-enough comparison: http://people.xiph.org/~greg/video/ytcompare/comparison.html Make your own decision, here... Well, it appears to be the (as yet, completely unfounded) fear that somehow a patent already exists, somewhere out there, that someone may decide at some point, is infringed on by the free release of Ogg Theora. So, then that someone would take on the biggest bank account in court (which, of the aforementioned parties, is Google with a market cap @ $128B), and then Apple (with a market cap @ $122B) and see if they can either score a settlement (which could set a precedent from which to launch other lawsuits against smaller “infringers”), or be sued out of existence by these two companies.

I didn’t reference MS here (clearly larger than both) because it’s pretty obvious that they have no interest in supporting Theora in any way (they have their own Windows Media codecs that they’d probably rather be the HTML5 standard, so they can collect the patent licensing fees from all the web browsers).

So, it doesn’t seem to be a concern that anything is wrong with the technology, just fear of a malicious law suit, uncertainty of patent trolls, and doubt that adequate “hardware support” exists (at lest from Apple).

In regards to Theora delivering ‘the “quality per bit” required for YouTube’, this is simply a case of the open source director at Google speaking without really knowing what he’s talking about, essentially making assumptions, and probably without any real discussion with Xiph.org about their codecs.

Here’s a good-enough comparison: http://people.xiph.org/~greg/video/ytcompare/comparison.html

Make your own decision, here…

]]> By: SteelWolf http://www.p2pnet.net/story/24593/comment-page-1#comment-978101 SteelWolf Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:00:36 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=24593#comment-978101 Wait, so if Ogg Theora is not subjected to patent licensing fees, why would anybody get sued for distributing it? Wait, so if Ogg Theora is not subjected to patent licensing fees, why would anybody get sued for distributing it?

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