p2pnet news view Freedom | P2P:- Day Three of the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) ‘investigation’ into traffic throttling / net neutrality in Canada has just finished.

The CIPPIC (Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic) has been following the proceedings on Twitter.

p2pnet will be running each day as it comes, and here’s the latest »»»

1. And were off on day 3… Television producers and Independant Film are up now. #netneutrality
2. TVIF: In order for independent producers to compete they need unfettered access to distribution mediums. #netneutrality
3. TVIF: The Internet is the only medium that allows unfettered access without a gatekeeper. #netneutrality
4. TVIF: Our fear is the creation of a two tier Internet. #netneutrality
5. IFTA: Vertically integrated media conglomerates have shrunk the independant producers’ access to television. #netneutrality
6. IFTA: We are concerned that broadband providers will give the same priority to their own content again. #netneutrality
7. IFTA: Application based traffic throttling should attract more scrutiny from the commission. #netneutrality
8. IFTA: We can’t kill the goose before it’s allowed to lay the golden egg. Please don’t be reactive with traffic management. #netneutrality
9. IFTA: Concerned about traffic practices that are framed as “in the public interest” while they actually limit consumer choice #netneutrality
10. IFTA: Any traffic management must be disclosed transparently. Both for consumers and distributors. #netneutrality
11. Both: We all must be mindful of the law of unintended consequences but some rules are required. #netneutrality
12. Both: Net neutrality is not a make work project for regulatory lawyers, we should all have a seat at the table. #netneutrality
13. Konrad: What basis could we find that there will be undue preferences? Not a good business strategy. #netneutrality
14. TV: Our concern is the potential, and emerging producers might be wiped out by the complaints process. #netneutrality
15. Konrad: Why would us making it a condition of license instead of it being the law would be more likely to ensure compliance? #netneutrality
16. TV: It would be significantly more clear to the ISPs what XY and Z they could not do. #netneutrality
17. Konrad: Where is the injustice if ISPs throttle P2P? #netneutrality
18. TV: If 1 low budget producer distributes by P2P and another producer by iTunes. The second will have preference. #netneutrality
19. The CRTC is still stuck on the 5% using 65% of the bandwidth statistic that the ISPs like the toss around. #netneutrality
20. TV: Comcast is a good example of an ISP gone wild. #netneutrality
21. CRTC: Surely you’re not suggesting that Canadian ISPs would behave like Comcast did. (errr why not?!) #netneutrality
22. TV: There are examples of predatory conduct by the conglomerates. CRTC: Why not complain. TV: We’re producers not lawyers. #netneutrality
23. Important point there. The complaints process under 27(2) can be long and expensive especially against a big company.
24. TV is talking about a telethon for sick kids where Bell throttled the stream. Impeding the ability to even have the show. #netneutrality
25. TV: The foundation of a competitive market is an informed consumer. Transparent notification please. #netneutrality
26. Denton: What value do you see in a committee being created to look at acceptable and unacceptable practices? #netneutrality
27. TV: We can see there would be value in that. #netneutrality
28. Katz: Would Bell making a deal with Hollywood to provide preference still be considered discriminatory? TV: Absolutely. #netneutrality
29. CRTC: What do you mean wireless and wired should be the same? They are fundamentally different. #netneutrality
30. TV: No question that there are different issues in wireless and wireline. But there still can not be preference. (Bluejays) #netneutrality
31. TV: We have monetized bittorrent, we have made money distributing content via Bittorrent. Bittorrent is not a bogeyman. #netneutrality
32. TV is finished, we’re on a 5 minute break. Time for some soft guitar! #netneutrality.
33. Council for Canadians with disabilities (ccwd) is up now. #netneutrality
34. CCWD is introducing their experts. #netneutrality
35. CCWD: Accessibility needs to be considered at the same level as privacy. #netneutrality
36. CCWD is suggesting a test that goes a bit beyond the Oakes-like test that OIC suggested yesterday morning. #netneutrality
37. Expert: The Internet is an enabling technology for people with disabilities. Reading, communication, and entertainment. #netneutrality
38. Expert: Users need to draw their content from alternate sources. Mainstream might not have captions, might be elsewhere. #netneutrality
39. Expert: People with disabilities do not require additional bandwidth, however might be in some areas (ie phonecalls/signlang) #netneutrality
40. Expert has been Dr. Gregg Vanderheiden. http://bit.ly/V3UBl (Thanks @janetlo) #netneutrality
41. CCWD: ISP provision to people with disabilities may require people to identify themselves, concerns about targetting ads #netneutrality
42. Konrad not pleased about considering abuse. Isnt part of the crtc’s job making rules that consider the potential for abuse? #netneutrality
43. CRTC: You say that this and that wont work… What will work? #netneutrality
44. CRTC and CCWD talking about white listing. #netneutrality
45. CRTC not talking about behavioural targeting, issued report predicting such targetting. http://bit.ly/l19p8 #netneutrality (via @tamir_i)
46. CRTC: Decision on disabilities coming soon, thanks for you presentation. 5 minute break. Guitar time. #netneutrality
47. And awaaaaay we go, ACTRA is up now. #netneutrality
48. ACTRA: Our interest might seem a little unusual, we wont talk tech or DPI. #netneutrality
49. ACTRA: We are here to ask that you do not hand the keys of the Internet to the large ISPs. #netneutrality
50. ACTRA: The Internet is a platform that delivers content that our members help create. #netneutrality
51. ACTRA: Content rich websites have been used to build audiences and enhance the experiences of current fans. #netneutrality
52. ACTRA: Canadians will not watch Corner Gas on CTV.ca if Rogers is making it so slow as to be unbearable. #netneutrality
53. ACTRA: Narrow corporate interest cannot have control over the Internet. #netneutrality
54. ACTRA: We have 2 concerns. 1) The risk of ISPs giving undue preference to content that they own. #netneutrality
55. ACTRA: 2) ISPs will abuse power as gatekeepers and control types and terms of content. Threat to diversity. #netneutrality
56. ACTRA: Bell Canada partial interest in Globe Media and CTV. #netneutrality
57. ACTRA: BT is the standard for distributing large files over the Internet. Turning the traditional model on it’s head. #netneutrality
58. ACTRA: We are not endorsing illegal file sharing. We need fair copyright laws. #netneutrality
59. ACTRA: It is not the job of ISPs to determine the legality of content travelling over their networks. #netneutrality
60. ACTRA: In conclusion. Traffic throttling are incompatible with the telecomm act and degrades it as a distribution platform. #netneutrality
61. ACTRA is wrapped up, CRTC questions now. #netneutrality
62. Interesting point from ACTRA… They want net neutrality and access to the Internet to compete with illegal downloads. #netneutrality
63. CRTC: The growth is way beyond what was expected and surely the ISPs are doing the best that they can. #netneutrality
64. Konrad: Do you have any evidence of discrimination? (Again not pleased with concerns of abuse) #netneutrality
65. ACTRA: No, but we are still concerned about it. #netneutrality
66. ACTRA is still up, @cippic going briefly offline. Keep up with @michaelgeist and The Financial Post live blog. #netneutrality

CIPPIC net neutrality on Twitter: Day I
CRTC net neutrality hearing: Ful Day I Transcript
CIPPIC net neutrality on Twitter: Day II
CRTC net neutrality hearing: Day II transcript

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