Get a VPN, regardless, use it, and surf/download with no worries.

I really enjoy surfer’s posts, they are some of my favorite on p2pnet as they can get very technical and tend to have strong opinions, stuff I like to read regardless of whether or not I agree with them.

I just have a question for you surfer, purely out of curiosity, what protocols do you use? Direct download? UseNet?

if you don’t understand my posts, then you shouldn’t be here, or learn how to google shit.

this is vindication right here, Jon is pulling my chain, to restrict my comments, not posts… I gotta admit, I am with you on this one..

Your view, and posts are all right on, ive been impressed, you even sent in an article, very ’step-down-the-rhetoric’ of you, I liked.

but I agree, we cant compromise our principles in order to liquidate ideals to the masses. I am working on a balance between ‘fuck you’, and ‘let me explain’. this is not a fine line, this is a big chasm, unbeknownst to the masses, aka, sheeple.

thanks Henry, we have gone toe to toe, and have realized we are on the same side. Anyone interested in flaming me, should read Henry’s post first, it explains alot I refused to allot to you fucking dumasses out there in order to buffer the stupid algorithym.

Thanks Henry.

stw

Thanks for bringing this back. Couple of things:

1. Anybody who doesn’t like potentially robust (or even downright rough) discussion should just toddle on off.
I’m totally on board with your “tell it like you see it” thing, as I think everybody else should do, as well.

Where I draw the line is personalistic bullshit. “Sam I am” tends to take shitty little potshots, and really seemed to have a perpetual hardon over me — I “still” live in PA, rather than being some kind of fashion designer, I actually bother to read up on the history and original thinking about Copyright law, etc. — so I finally troll-smashed him into oblivion over it. Does that mean I’m a total prick? No. It means I have no tolerance for bullshit.

2. A lot of the people protesting about Surfer’s no-holds-barred style seem to do so from behind the “reader’s write”, which is gutless in the extreme. I’ve locked horns with everybody on this board, multiple times, and Y’know what? Ultimately, until/unless somebody from p2pnet manages to find out where I live, bash in my front door, kill the cats, and rape my wife (or some other actually PHYSICAL “away-from-keyboard” type of actions), whether they called me names, or weren’t very “nice” means exactly SHIT, in the grand scheme of things.

We need to get over this bullshit of getting “offended” at the drop of a hat. I know there’s people here who, very likely, hate me and think I’m a total prick.

By the same token, I am neither as tech-savvy as Surfer, nor am I particularly interested in being such.
I think “undergrounds” — no matter how well-constructed and anonymous and “safe”, are ultimately totally fucking gutless. Effete little playgrounds for the “elect” piss me off (and yes, that does go for the “release scene” as well.)

Also, since the RIAA/MPAA/corporate thugs have demonstrated their complete indifference to actually suing people for stuff they REALLY DID (remember the dead folks and printers and such), anonymity is, quite frankly, no answer.

What is? An emerging global consensus that is open to questioning/disregarding things like “Intellectual property” if and when they become socially damaging. And Y’know what? To my way of thinking, however many millions of “sheeple” file-sharers using an “unsafe’ protocol in OPEN defiance of unjust laws is infinitely more valuable than any “underground”, no matter how safe.

Because ultimately, hiding is totally pussy. That’s one of the reasons I respect Surfer: he’s willing to come OUT of his “underground” and actually do something aboveground. I’ll repeat this again, just so nobody can possibly mistake my viewpoint here: hiding is pussy. There’s “concerns over privacy”, and then there’s “cowardice”, and it’s really easy to not notice the difference.

And as for the notion of “why should I tell anybody this stuff? They should put the effort/time/money in like I did” — how is that any different from the RIAA, or pharmaceutical companies buying themselves a longer patent-term when threatened with expiration?
It’s one thing to tack “STW” (share the wealth) on the end of your writings, and a totally different thing to actually DO it.
And that, ultimately, is what separates the big dogs from the lap-dogs.

(And no, I am most definitely not calling anybody out on this, just saying my say. If anybody doesn’t “get” where this is coming from, you can either ask me up front, and just suck it up.

Next post we see on this may be something along this line.
“Death of the New Pirate Bay”

http://www.p2pnet.net/story/25409/comment-page-1#comment-979405

The only thing I have left to say is in regards to the following quote:

“we are in fact in development of an open source alternative that will allow file sharing in a secure, stable, cross platform environment, but the development team is not ready to release this to the world just yet. it is around 95% complete, and when ready for public consumption, I guarantee, I will release the information here first.”

I’m happy to hear that it is open source. I often see comments regarding TPB’s legal battles about how we should all go back to a truly decentralized system of sharing. However, one of the reasons I like Bittorrent is because I have never ever downloaded a single fake. Should this new open source alternative you speak of catch on and become a sheeple protocol in it’s own right (poke poke), will it be possible for it to become flooded with fake files like all the other methods of file sharing have been? You also say it’s secure. I’m assuming it uses encryption and peer hoping (or whatever it’s called) by default, something similar to TOR perhaps. Would I be correct in assuming that? Can’t wait to try it out. These are the kinds of project worth donating money to.

We do a “response to takedown demands” thread in our company forum – it’s not exactly the same tone as TPB. I prefer to poke holes in the legal “theories” these spambot emails put forth, pointing out exactly how dumb they have to assume the rest of the world is to fall for this nonsense and do what they want them to do.

The weird thing is that not once have we ever received a response from the oligopolies or their hired mercenaries. Not once. I guess it’s just easier to churn out spam to the rest of the internet, and not worth actually answering questions. As we say in each of our responses, it is quite likely that their automated “abuse complaint” email system is illegal under various national anti-spam legislative frameworks – though we’re not holding our breath for law enforcement to actually “enforce the law” against the cartels. Still, it’s rather funny that they run on and on about “illegal filesharing” – while relying on actual, illegal spambot networks to extort cash payments from hapless targets. What’s the difference between “click here to buy super-secret Russian antispyware software” or “click here to give thousands of dollars to RIAA even though we have no legal standing to send you this email?” Right – the difference is the latter senders have lots of paid lobbyists.

Fausty

ps: BitTorrent works just fine. Anyone who claims it is “broken” because it is not intrinsically anonymous needs to go back and learn the basics of “routing” again. There is NO intrinsically anonymous routing framework – by logical necessity. Q.E.D.

“we are in fact in development of an open source alternative that will allow file sharing in a secure, stable, cross platform environment, but the development team is not ready to release this to the world just yet. it is around 95% complete, and when ready for public consumption, I guarantee, I will release the information here first.”

And will this be for the masses, or only for the “elite”?

“to clarify, I used the term ’sheeple’ to describe the protocol, at no time did I insinuate anyone was stupid, or sheep, nor did I ‘ream’ anyone for their use of said protocol. If you wish to pointedly be libelous, please try and be accurate.”

Not in this post, but you have in the past. I can’t find the post now, but I remember you once telling people not to use BitTorrent, eDonkey, or any of the other well known P2P networks and saying that if people were dumb enough to keep using them, they were beyond help. Or words to that effect…

“in all honesty, I would love to just come out and educate every single person using unsafe protocols with the how-to on file sharing and anonymity, what I currently use to file share with, procedures to implement security, and potential locations to find the best copyrighted content on the planet.

in the interests of being ‘fair’, that just ain’t gonna happen.. It took me 12 years to build the community(s) I currently enjoy, and if anyone would like one of their own, then invest the time, research, development, resources and money just like I did, and you too can have the ‘cool kids’ ring just like I do. but that ain’t gonna happen either, sheeple are more interested in getting what they want via the path of least resistance and fuck the consequences.”

Which translates to; “If you have to ask, you’re not cool enough to know.”

If you don’t have the right connections, you get nowhere. Not to mention that in most cases, it’s a catch-22. They don’t want to know you unless you have tons of stuff to share, but where are you supposed to get the stuff to share if you’re not supposed to use the unsafe networks?

I use eDonkey and BitTorrent, but only for older more obscure stuff. For anything recent, I either download it through free Rapidshare links or I download it from Usenet.

If any business I mean any business our anyone is invovled with one of the big seven entertainement corporation of parasites we have to boycott them.

Not a peny should go to the RIAA/MPAA bag of criminals.

BOYCOTT THE PARASITES!

No movie, no DVD, no CD no download no nothing!

This plague is destroying our society and our institution.

hahahhahahahah

“I would suggest anyone wanting to enter into a battle of wits, they should come armed. (not directly referring to you DA..)”

Don’t be pullin’ a “Koltai” on us here!

Wayne Rosso’s still alive?

As much as I dislike his vision of P2P, I have to hand it to him for being able to convince people to pay him tens of thousands of dollars to ultimately deliver nothing. He promised everyone that Mashboxx would be huge but it became vapourware. Now he’s banking on cashing in on the most casual BitTorrent users, who won’t know what’s going on when they’re presented with an option to purchase a file when they’re trying to download it for free.

This will be a complete failure but I think Wayne Rosso knows this already.

fair enough, mua-hahahhaha

believe me, if I wanted to apply insult, there would be crying.

I would suggest anyone wanting to enter into a battle of wits, they should come armed. (not directly referring to you DA..)

tell you what, I will compile in a post, the possible file sharing solutions that are out there…

stw

@surfer…

I didn’t ask for that, and you know it!

“Let’s be fair…” was only in reference to your “sheeple protocol” statement, which caused a bit of a stir (because of the “language”), which in turn you objected to.

Geez! Do you really think I’d be the one expecting you to shed 100 IQ points and start posting “detailed instructions” for people that can’t be bothered to do their own homework?!?! (How many times have I already flamed those kind of people?)

‘Let’s be fair.’

in all honesty, I would love to just come out and educate every single person using unsafe protocols with the how-to on file sharing and anonymity, what I currently use to file share with, procedures to implement security, and potential locations to find the best copyrighted content on the planet.

in the interests of being ‘fair’, that just ain’t gonna happen.. It took me 12 years to build the community(s) I currently enjoy, and if anyone would like one of their own, then invest the time, research, development, resources and money just like I did, and you too can have the ‘cool kids’ ring just like I do. but that ain’t gonna happen either, sheeple are more interested in getting what they want via the path of least resistance and fuck the consequences.

so if the shoe fits…

and in continuing to be ‘fair’, all those that implement bittorrent usage, including a robust router, PG2, travel private, invitation only networks, and maintain secure, encrypted harddrives, my apologies for including you in my accusations that you are indeed sheeple.

now DA, in all honestly, how many of those 50 million practice the sentence above? hmm?

update:

seems the content cartels are NOT on board for this circus, and in fact are trying to abscond any monies changing hands…

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10288495-93.html

@surfer…

Let’s be fair.

“Sheeple” IS a derrogatory term for people who blindly copy the actions/instructions of others.
When you say that a protocol is a “sheeple protocol” (a curious phrase in itself – you can’t use one noun to describe another noun), all you’re doing is implying that any and all people that use it are idiots in some way.

In effect, you invited the reaction you got.

Words mean so much. Please use responsibly.