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	<title>Comments on: Virgin digital goes online</title>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2552#comment-5889</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Mr. Brandon is so phenominal why is he soooooo stupid to get into the digital music download biz????? In the next two years ALL of THEM will go BROKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have you seen the web traffic for allofmp3.com lately?????? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Mr. Brandon is so phenominal why is he soooooo stupid to get into the digital music download biz????? In the next two years ALL of THEM will go BROKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have you seen the web traffic for allofmp3.com lately??????</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2552#comment-5873</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2552#comment-5873</guid>
		<description>I'd be interested in some discussion and serious analysis of price elasticity in online downloads. I get the feeling that everyone has a price point where they flip from mostly illegal to mostly legal.

My own experience of this is AllofMP3.com Firstly they actually have a product that I want to buy. eg MP3, LAME 192Kb VBR with no DRM. And that product is typically $0.01 or occasionally $0.02 per Mb. At that price I'm spending more per month than I did at Amazon before it came along.

So what if Apple, Virgin et al sold non-DRM MP3 192Kb VBR as well. What would you pay for it and at what stage would you pay for the convenience of having properly encoded music with accurate tags and no hassle? It's somewhere between $0.01 and $0.25 per Mb. I figure that around $0.10 they would make serious inroads into file sharing. This corresponds to somewhere around $0.40 per song. Can they make money at that price point without DRM? Sure they can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be interested in some discussion and serious analysis of price elasticity in online downloads. I get the feeling that everyone has a price point where they flip from mostly illegal to mostly legal.</p>
<p>My own experience of this is AllofMP3.com Firstly they actually have a product that I want to buy. eg MP3, LAME 192Kb VBR with no DRM. And that product is typically $0.01 or occasionally $0.02 per Mb. At that price I&#8217;m spending more per month than I did at Amazon before it came along.</p>
<p>So what if Apple, Virgin et al sold non-DRM MP3 192Kb VBR as well. What would you pay for it and at what stage would you pay for the convenience of having properly encoded music with accurate tags and no hassle? It&#8217;s somewhere between $0.01 and $0.25 per Mb. I figure that around $0.10 they would make serious inroads into file sharing. This corresponds to somewhere around $0.40 per song. Can they make money at that price point without DRM? Sure they can.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2552#comment-5871</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2552#comment-5871</guid>
		<description>Yep. That's how DHB got started. And don't forget the EFF idea - http://www.eff.org/share/collective_lic_wp.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. That&#8217;s how DHB got started. And don&#8217;t forget the EFF idea - <a href="http://www.eff.org/share/collective_lic_wp.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.eff.org/share/collective_lic_wp.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2552#comment-5869</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2552#comment-5869</guid>
		<description>Mr. Brandon is phenominal in his can do attitude.  I just finished reading his bio and  would love to have his autograph.  

Very respectfully,  Regine W. Griffin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Brandon is phenominal in his can do attitude.  I just finished reading his bio and  would love to have his autograph.  </p>
<p>Very respectfully,  Regine W. Griffin</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2552#comment-5868</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2552#comment-5868</guid>
		<description>this is why 99 cents is too much for a song:

for a 13 song cd, thats nearly $13.  For about a dollar more, i can get a brand new cd, with liner notes and cover art (and higher quality music in most cases).   

A better solution would be a flat fee of 5-10 dollars a month for unlimited downloads.  Compared to 99 cents per track, its sounds absurd, but with a deal like that, major label music and indie music would be on a level playing field, and you could try out many new bands.  The price could be divied up, depending on popularity of the tracks.  With this model, you would have no fake files, a more reliable and faster network (since it would be "legal" people wouldnt have a need to fake files or quit uploading).  It works out for artists and labels.  If even half of the 7 million people on file sharing networks at any given time paid the $5/month, the earnings  would be $17,500,000 per MONTH... this is with basically no overhead.  You would pay a few salaries for software designers and some advertising, but there is no packaging, no shipping, no biilding with electric bills, no materials, etc. This is easy money, but companies are too blind to see it.  I would pay, its cheaper than cable, its cheaper than my phone bill.  If it was this cheap, with no restrictions and more reliability, people will pay, its just that the current method cheats artists and stuffs labels while restricting my fair use rights.

http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/  &#60;&#60; for how the 99 cents cheats artists.

MTW
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is why 99 cents is too much for a song:</p>
<p>for a 13 song cd, thats nearly $13.  For about a dollar more, i can get a brand new cd, with liner notes and cover art (and higher quality music in most cases).   </p>
<p>A better solution would be a flat fee of 5-10 dollars a month for unlimited downloads.  Compared to 99 cents per track, its sounds absurd, but with a deal like that, major label music and indie music would be on a level playing field, and you could try out many new bands.  The price could be divied up, depending on popularity of the tracks.  With this model, you would have no fake files, a more reliable and faster network (since it would be &#8220;legal&#8221; people wouldnt have a need to fake files or quit uploading).  It works out for artists and labels.  If even half of the 7 million people on file sharing networks at any given time paid the $5/month, the earnings  would be $17,500,000 per MONTH&#8230; this is with basically no overhead.  You would pay a few salaries for software designers and some advertising, but there is no packaging, no shipping, no biilding with electric bills, no materials, etc. This is easy money, but companies are too blind to see it.  I would pay, its cheaper than cable, its cheaper than my phone bill.  If it was this cheap, with no restrictions and more reliability, people will pay, its just that the current method cheats artists and stuffs labels while restricting my fair use rights.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/" rel="nofollow">http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/</a>  &lt;&lt; for how the 99 cents cheats artists.</p>
<p>MTW</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2552#comment-5867</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2552#comment-5867</guid>
		<description>When the price goes down to 10cents for a catalog item and 20cents for a frontline new release, I will start paying attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the price goes down to 10cents for a catalog item and 20cents for a frontline new release, I will start paying attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2552#comment-5866</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2552#comment-5866</guid>
		<description>"at the now standard corporate rip-off of 99 cents per download"

Oh boy, here we go. Do you cheapos show go steal a BMW because you think they charge too much for them? 
If music isn't worth 99 cents a song to you, maybe you shouldn't listen to it. 
The endless hand-wringing over justifying stealing something that does not belong to you is a source of entertainment itself. 

And by the way-don't vote either! 

zzzzzzzzzz

"Peer to peer should be called scumbag to scumbag"

Nick Weston</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;at the now standard corporate rip-off of 99 cents per download&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh boy, here we go. Do you cheapos show go steal a BMW because you think they charge too much for them?<br />
If music isn&#8217;t worth 99 cents a song to you, maybe you shouldn&#8217;t listen to it.<br />
The endless hand-wringing over justifying stealing something that does not belong to you is a source of entertainment itself. </p>
<p>And by the way-don&#8217;t vote either! </p>
<p>zzzzzzzzzz</p>
<p>&#8220;Peer to peer should be called scumbag to scumbag&#8221;</p>
<p>Nick Weston</p>
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