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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2599/comment-page-1#comment-6098</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 00:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jass,



             I  have  been  puttin  all  of  my  efforts  together  to  complete  my  project  in  full.  There  are  still  some  presentage  details  that  I  have  not  figured  out  yet  and  I  have  to  figure  out  how  to  research  this,...   I  NEED  YOUR  HELP.  You  said  have  faith  and  I  still  have  faith  after  all  of  these  years,...   that  happens  to  be  my  main  line  of  PROCEEDING  WITH  PROGRESS!  So,  I  want  to  ask  you  how  are  you  doing,....   there  is  no  answer  like  in  the  movie  &quot;Forgoten,&quot;  people  might  think  I  am  all  the  way  out  of  the  game  and  out  of  bounds,  without  any  knowledge  of  my  own  boundaries  in  a  simple  game  of  twenty  one.  
             I  HAVE  TO  REPAIR  MY  CREDIT.  I  AM  TRYING  TO  GET  THIS  PLACE  SO  I  CAN  SAY  GOODBYE  TO  THE  STREETS  AND  CONTINUE  TO  PROCEED  WITH  PROGRESS  FOR  ALL  OF  THE  COPYWRITES  TO  ALL  OF  THESE  CD&#039;s  I  HAVE  COMPLETE.  I  WISH  I  KNEW  WHERE  I  COULD  PITCH  THESE  R&amp;B  SLOW  JAMFEST  NEW-MUSIC  SONGS  ALONG  WITH  THESE  R&amp;B  CROSSED  WITH  DISCO  AND  FUNK  PARTY  SONGS  FOR  SAFE  KEEPING,.....    CAUSE  I   CAINT  BELEAVE  HOW  LONG  I  HAVE  KEPT  THIS  STUFF  AND  KEPT  IT  ALL  SAFE  ON  THE  STREETS  MYSELF,.....  AND  I  HAVE  BEEN  PAYING  VERY  CLOSE  ATTENTION  TO  EVERYBODY  AND  EVERYTHING  ALL  DAY  AND  ALL  NIGHT  LONG.    EACH  168 HRS  BREAKS  DOWN  INTO  A  TIME  AT  HAND  STRATEGIC  MISSION  THAT  IS  SO  RESOURCEFULL  I  HAVE  TO  KEEP  ON  TELLING  MYSELF  TO   THINK  BETTER,  CAUSE  I  THINK  THAT  MY  THINKING  HAS  COMPLETLY  CHANGED  OR  HAS  STARTED   DOING  SO  AND  I   AM  MORE  IN  TUNE  WITH  MYSELF  FOR  SOME  REASON,.....    STRAIGHT  UP.  YOUR  LOVE  TO  LOVE  YA  CAUSE  YOU  KNOW   THE  REST.     PEACE,  AND  I  APPOLOGIZE  FOR  MISSING  OUT  ON  MY  MOMENTS  THAT  I  WANTED  AND  USUALLY  WOULD  HAVE  TO  SEAZE  WITH  YOU  LAST  WEEK,  WHILE  I  WAS  NOT  DRINKING  ALCOHOL,  AND  NOT SELLING  DRUGS,  AND  NOT  GOING  ANY  WHERE  NEAR  ANYBODY  THAT  WAS  COMMITTING  ANY  CRIMES,  BECAUSE  I  AM  FUND  RAISING  WITHOUT  IT.  SIMPLE  CHOICES  SEE  AND  IT  DOES  COST  AND  THERE  WILL  BE  SOME  SACRAFICES  LET  KEEP  IT  REAL,....   THAT  MEAN  BE  FOR  REAL  TO  ME,...   AND  TRY  YOUR  BEST.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jass,</p>
<p>             I  have  been  puttin  all  of  my  efforts  together  to  complete  my  project  in  full.  There  are  still  some  presentage  details  that  I  have  not  figured  out  yet  and  I  have  to  figure  out  how  to  research  this,&#8230;   I  NEED  YOUR  HELP.  You  said  have  faith  and  I  still  have  faith  after  all  of  these  years,&#8230;   that  happens  to  be  my  main  line  of  PROCEEDING  WITH  PROGRESS!  So,  I  want  to  ask  you  how  are  you  doing,&#8230;.   there  is  no  answer  like  in  the  movie  &#8220;Forgoten,&#8221;  people  might  think  I  am  all  the  way  out  of  the  game  and  out  of  bounds,  without  any  knowledge  of  my  own  boundaries  in  a  simple  game  of  twenty  one.<br />
             I  HAVE  TO  REPAIR  MY  CREDIT.  I  AM  TRYING  TO  GET  THIS  PLACE  SO  I  CAN  SAY  GOODBYE  TO  THE  STREETS  AND  CONTINUE  TO  PROCEED  WITH  PROGRESS  FOR  ALL  OF  THE  COPYWRITES  TO  ALL  OF  THESE  CD&#8217;s  I  HAVE  COMPLETE.  I  WISH  I  KNEW  WHERE  I  COULD  PITCH  THESE  R&#038;B  SLOW  JAMFEST  NEW-MUSIC  SONGS  ALONG  WITH  THESE  R&#038;B  CROSSED  WITH  DISCO  AND  FUNK  PARTY  SONGS  FOR  SAFE  KEEPING,&#8230;..    CAUSE  I   CAINT  BELEAVE  HOW  LONG  I  HAVE  KEPT  THIS  STUFF  AND  KEPT  IT  ALL  SAFE  ON  THE  STREETS  MYSELF,&#8230;..  AND  I  HAVE  BEEN  PAYING  VERY  CLOSE  ATTENTION  TO  EVERYBODY  AND  EVERYTHING  ALL  DAY  AND  ALL  NIGHT  LONG.    EACH  168 HRS  BREAKS  DOWN  INTO  A  TIME  AT  HAND  STRATEGIC  MISSION  THAT  IS  SO  RESOURCEFULL  I  HAVE  TO  KEEP  ON  TELLING  MYSELF  TO   THINK  BETTER,  CAUSE  I  THINK  THAT  MY  THINKING  HAS  COMPLETLY  CHANGED  OR  HAS  STARTED   DOING  SO  AND  I   AM  MORE  IN  TUNE  WITH  MYSELF  FOR  SOME  REASON,&#8230;..    STRAIGHT  UP.  YOUR  LOVE  TO  LOVE  YA  CAUSE  YOU  KNOW   THE  REST.     PEACE,  AND  I  APPOLOGIZE  FOR  MISSING  OUT  ON  MY  MOMENTS  THAT  I  WANTED  AND  USUALLY  WOULD  HAVE  TO  SEAZE  WITH  YOU  LAST  WEEK,  WHILE  I  WAS  NOT  DRINKING  ALCOHOL,  AND  NOT SELLING  DRUGS,  AND  NOT  GOING  ANY  WHERE  NEAR  ANYBODY  THAT  WAS  COMMITTING  ANY  CRIMES,  BECAUSE  I  AM  FUND  RAISING  WITHOUT  IT.  SIMPLE  CHOICES  SEE  AND  IT  DOES  COST  AND  THERE  WILL  BE  SOME  SACRAFICES  LET  KEEP  IT  REAL,&#8230;.   THAT  MEAN  BE  FOR  REAL  TO  ME,&#8230;   AND  TRY  YOUR  BEST.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2599/comment-page-1#comment-6048</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;At that point it would be up to the record label to determiine if &#039;interdiction&#039; was a policy they wanted to continue supporting.&quot;

Let&#039;s not forget that these are the record companies
that sue their customers for allowing others to sample their music.
They clearly do not care for their fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At that point it would be up to the record label to determiine if &#8216;interdiction&#8217; was a policy they wanted to continue supporting.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that these are the record companies<br />
that sue their customers for allowing others to sample their music.<br />
They clearly do not care for their fans.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2599/comment-page-1#comment-5973</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2004 23:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the moment, Overpeer pays for their bandwidth out and the individuals pay for their bandwidth in.  This is fine.  This issue though is just a general thing, do we as a society want a company to use the profits they earn to essentially waste bandwidth by distributing files which are not what the user wants?  

It&#039;s would be a fascinating stat for BigChampagne to determine how many bandwidth hours and bandwidth totals Terrabytes are produced by Overpeer and related companies.  Retspan/Media Defender and there are others who are all doing this &#039;interdiction&#039;.  

Bandwidth is bought and everyone can do with it as they wish.  This is obvious by Overpeer&#039;s existance and the existance of the downloaders.  One way to get rid of or lessen the reach of an organization like Overpeer is to inform the masses who then complain to everyone.  Imagine if all the fans of the latest pop band got tired of downloading spoofs and publicly said they we&#039;re not going to support this band anymore because of the spoofing files.  At that point it would be up to the record label to determiine if &#039;interdiction&#039; was a policy they wanted to continue supporting.

Overpeer is currently a several million dollar operation if that grows ten-fold cash wise, their output bandwidth wise could increase 1,000 fold.  People speculate that a significant portion of all of Kazaa&#039;s content is Overpeer spoofing files, with a larger cash revenue they could flood all the networks.  In a strange way they could be responsible for, let&#039;s just say, 30% of all internet traffic.  It would be really funny if interdiction companies we&#039;re responsible for most of internet traffic.

As the stats currentlly stand, Overpeer is the most successful music artist ever.  They have 25 Billion downloads a month.  Music artists win awards for selling a million albums.  Overpeer&#039;s got a BILLION downloads.  that&#039;s something special.  I wish i could listen to the complete Overpeer library.

anyway i love Overpeer and Senator Orrin Hatch
http://noneinc.com/sound/
%20&amp;SenOrrinHatch&amp;Overpeer-UnitingEverydayInternetHeroes.mp3

for more inane rambling:
http://noneinc.com/RIAAEM/RIAABlog.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the moment, Overpeer pays for their bandwidth out and the individuals pay for their bandwidth in.  This is fine.  This issue though is just a general thing, do we as a society want a company to use the profits they earn to essentially waste bandwidth by distributing files which are not what the user wants?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s would be a fascinating stat for BigChampagne to determine how many bandwidth hours and bandwidth totals Terrabytes are produced by Overpeer and related companies.  Retspan/Media Defender and there are others who are all doing this &#8216;interdiction&#8217;.  </p>
<p>Bandwidth is bought and everyone can do with it as they wish.  This is obvious by Overpeer&#8217;s existance and the existance of the downloaders.  One way to get rid of or lessen the reach of an organization like Overpeer is to inform the masses who then complain to everyone.  Imagine if all the fans of the latest pop band got tired of downloading spoofs and publicly said they we&#8217;re not going to support this band anymore because of the spoofing files.  At that point it would be up to the record label to determiine if &#8216;interdiction&#8217; was a policy they wanted to continue supporting.</p>
<p>Overpeer is currently a several million dollar operation if that grows ten-fold cash wise, their output bandwidth wise could increase 1,000 fold.  People speculate that a significant portion of all of Kazaa&#8217;s content is Overpeer spoofing files, with a larger cash revenue they could flood all the networks.  In a strange way they could be responsible for, let&#8217;s just say, 30% of all internet traffic.  It would be really funny if interdiction companies we&#8217;re responsible for most of internet traffic.</p>
<p>As the stats currentlly stand, Overpeer is the most successful music artist ever.  They have 25 Billion downloads a month.  Music artists win awards for selling a million albums.  Overpeer&#8217;s got a BILLION downloads.  that&#8217;s something special.  I wish i could listen to the complete Overpeer library.</p>
<p>anyway i love Overpeer and Senator Orrin Hatch<br />
<a href="http://noneinc.com/sound/" rel="nofollow">http://noneinc.com/sound/</a><br />
%20&#038;SenOrrinHatch&#038;Overpeer-UnitingEverydayInternetHeroes.mp3</p>
<p>for more inane rambling:<br />
<a href="http://noneinc.com/RIAAEM/RIAABlog.html" rel="nofollow">http://noneinc.com/RIAAEM/RIAABlog.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bandwidth issue always seems to be over-looked. Who pays for it?

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bandwidth issue always seems to be over-looked. Who pays for it?</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2599/comment-page-1#comment-5964</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree there has been nothing covert about Overpeer&#039;s actions.  They term their spoofs &#039;interdiction&#039; and this has been constant for a long time.  They&#039;ve even got a patent to legitamize their actions.  The spoofing files seem to be a deterent to the casual Kazaa user.  Personally i love these files i&#039;ve been collecting them for several years now.  you can read/listen to the ones i&#039;ve been handed here:
http://noneinc.com/RIAAEM/
I&#039;m always looking for more examples.  There are two companies which have an application which will search your recently downloaded files and remove the spoofs, they ask for submittals so if you contact them they can give you a bigger library of Overpeer content.  
Someone on a peerguardian forum had documented a list of files from an Overpeer IP found on a p2p program.  they had made a big list of those files.  the key now is to take that information and figure out which companies and which artists continue to use Overpeer&#039;s services and make that public, since Overpeer will not say who their clients are.

Overpeer in their press releases state:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040929/sfw030_1.html
&quot;Loudeye currently protects more than 60,000 digital entertainment titles&quot;
&quot;Loudeye experiences 25 billion digital download hits against its servers, effectively blocking the illicit distribution of copyrighted material across 200 million unique user sessions.&quot;


That&#039;s alot of wasted bandwidth in my opinion.
Peter A Lopez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree there has been nothing covert about Overpeer&#8217;s actions.  They term their spoofs &#8216;interdiction&#8217; and this has been constant for a long time.  They&#8217;ve even got a patent to legitamize their actions.  The spoofing files seem to be a deterent to the casual Kazaa user.  Personally i love these files i&#8217;ve been collecting them for several years now.  you can read/listen to the ones i&#8217;ve been handed here:<br />
<a href="http://noneinc.com/RIAAEM/" rel="nofollow">http://noneinc.com/RIAAEM/</a><br />
I&#8217;m always looking for more examples.  There are two companies which have an application which will search your recently downloaded files and remove the spoofs, they ask for submittals so if you contact them they can give you a bigger library of Overpeer content.<br />
Someone on a peerguardian forum had documented a list of files from an Overpeer IP found on a p2p program.  they had made a big list of those files.  the key now is to take that information and figure out which companies and which artists continue to use Overpeer&#8217;s services and make that public, since Overpeer will not say who their clients are.</p>
<p>Overpeer in their press releases state:</p>
<p><a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040929/sfw030_1.html" rel="nofollow">http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040929/sfw030_1.html</a><br />
&#8220;Loudeye currently protects more than 60,000 digital entertainment titles&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Loudeye experiences 25 billion digital download hits against its servers, effectively blocking the illicit distribution of copyrighted material across 200 million unique user sessions.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s alot of wasted bandwidth in my opinion.<br />
Peter A Lopez</p>
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