YW.

I thought someone might find them interesting.
Reading about ‘Real Americans’ can be very entertaining.

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Ezee:
Dude, why’nt you tell me you were stateside, here?
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Heh Would have loved to share a beer with you mate, my treat! But coming to the US (although a long time wish of mine) was kind of a last minute thing and besides I had no idea where you live (keep it that way-although you have a fantastic country, the way the corporations control the laws, its the old saying of the inmates running the prison) which is a good thing as you are so outspoken against the scum (you know who i mean) they might get you in trouble (maybe i sound a bit paranoid, but look at the news..).

On another point, everything is HUUUUUUGE there, LA was huuuuge, walking a few blocks normally this side of the world (Stockholm, London, Prague etc) cant really be compared to walking a few blocks in some parts of LA and its neighbors… I was walking for hours and hardly went far according to my tourist map so when you say “stateside” I’m thinking a few hours drive?
Would have been completely lost if it was not for my handy Nokia GPS (although i got screwed on your pay-as-you-go plans on T-Mobil as i downloaded the maps using their service)

Would have been fun to swap ideas (and drinks) with you, and let you in on some of the stuff that we here at eZee are working on to screw our pals a little more in the music industry –
hint: downloading music for personal use is OK in Spain )
at eZee we may be down, but we are far from out! Although i doubt eZee will come back the way it was before… just no time for that and the side projects because we dont get paid, its a labor of love.

Talking to a lot of people in the US it seems that finding the music they are looking for still is the main problem… esp finding non corrupted (industry seeded) files, we hope to change that while being totally in European law (reminder: U.S laws dont apply to us here… however much the industry would like to think it does)

I like your points about the US amendments, as a foreigner i dont know much about them but by your points i google… and learn as I go very educational, keep it up!

Oops, another long post/reply… please forgive me guys!

Have a fantastic day!
R

So are indispensable parties the songwriters. These too can now sue Tenenbaum.

So lets see, RIAA now sues the donloaders, those that downloaded songs from Tenenbaum’ disk
and then songwiters can sue Tenenbaum and then songwriters can sue the downloaders.

In the end what should be one case turns out to be many cases and that can be stopped by the indispensable party legal doctrine.

A strategy that should be followed by the RIAA victims is to insist on including all the indispensable parties. That would make the case so complicated that it will never end, will cost RIAA millions and the courts would not want to see any more such cases.

I hope the lawyers and judges are taking notes and get their asses moving.

Some trivia for the Sarah Palin fans out there: Did you know that the “pledge of allegiance” was originally created by a SOCIALIST?

http://rexcurry.net/

(Makes me wonder, with all their nattering about the evils of “socialism”, why that particular ritual gives them cream-jeans, but I digress…

(Yes, folks — I AM mean!)

Ezee:
Dude, why’nt you tell me you were stateside, here?

I was willing to be gentle with Mike, until he played stupid.
The psycho-wing of the American Right is a goddamn mess, and I have very little tolerance for them.

Learn about at least SOME of them HERE: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1019373413211611015&ei=4S12St3ELMKllQfj8bitDA&q=Blood+in+the+face&hl=en&client=firefox-a

(THEY make “notes” about the 14th Amendment, too.)

Okay, time for me to put on my “troll-smasher” hat.
(Pardon, Jon — this might get a little intense.)

1. North-American Free patriot Network?
So, I take it from looking at the site that your’e some kind of “Militia” type of guy, right?
(the “notes on the Fourteenth amendment” thing gave me pause, because from my experience, people who make “notes” on that amendment often don’t think that the Jim Crow south was depriving blacks of “equal protection under the law”, but I digress.)

Since you’re obviously so tuned-in and politically aware and such (smirk), why don’t you enlighten us on the original intention behind copyright law, hmmm? The same “law” that corporate lobbyists have turned into a coercive monopoly lasting 75 years past the “rights-holder’s” death?

(As a side-note: the only “notes on the 14th amendment” I’d like to see, would discuss the misbegotten notion of “corporate personhood”, but it’s exceedingly unlikely that a pseudointellectual, pseudo-intellectual psychopath (oh sorry — “Free patriot”), would ever mention that.

Thanks for the links.
Surfer: THESE people are why I come down hard on “conspiracy theorists”.

Mike:
The “message” of p2pnet is that copyright law has been perverted by corporate lobbyists. One of the reasons they’ve been able to get away with that, is because of the misbegotten notion of “corporate personhood”. Please do us all a favor and — since you obviously fancy yourself to be an expert in U.S. Constitutional law — and the 14th amendment in particular — and explain to us all exactly why corporations should be considered “persons”, but Blacks could rightfully be considered as “property”.

Because I’m pretty sure you’re at least a closet defender of various “peculiar institutions” endemic to the Southern U.S. — or at least an enabler.

Okay, enough of this. For the record: racists, extremely aggressive Dominionist-Christian zealots, and apologists for caste systems piss me off. Therefore, I have virtually NO tolerance for the “Militia Movement”, or it’s various front-organizations.

Much less, half-literate corporate shills originating from same.

We clear?

Bye, Y’all!

My god! Because of you children are going to starve, terrorists are going to win a round, babies are going to be trampled, artists are going to go broke, and millions or people are going to lose their jobs… if we are to believe the industry of course. Ok, maybe I exaggerated a teeny bit…. kind of like how they exaggerated a teeny bit with “piracy funds terrorism” and the “you wouldnt steal a…” ads.

America is sooo damn beautiful with such nice people (Canada as well)… LA was absolutely fantastic, it took me a while to remember that the RIAA/MPAA
scumbags actually operate from here as their stronghold, kind of reminded me of the old rotten apple in the barrel saying….

I spoke to a lot of people about file sharing and the Swedish pirate party, I hope I changed a few of their views, it was sad in a way the way the propaganda had been gobbled up by the common man/woman on the street… but it led to some very interesting discussions. Americans love to talk and i took that opportunity to talk to anyone and everyone every chance i got esp at eating places…

Quite a few people also were convinced about how powerful the “investigative methods” of companies like MediaSentry were, after all the music industry had “caught” so many people right? After explaining to them how fishermen sometimes catch a few dolphins in their nets the industry were actually catching mostly dolphins and fish by accident… to prove my point I fired up utorrent on my laptop and via hotspots I connected to my VPN and took them on a tour of various p2p sites, I wont say i downloaded any _copyrighted_ music in writing on p2pnet but lets just say i gave them plenty of examples of how its nearly impossible for the morons/parasites/scum to catch people if they use some basic precautions IF they wanted to get copyrighted stuff… but mostly i wanted to break that power perception they had of the industry, which i think i did.
A day pass on the Metro in LA costs 5 bucks… a Subway sandwich around the same… as does a VPN for a month, which i think was a good example to give them.

I tried to follow the Joel case as best i could, I was trying to stay off the computer and the net as much as possible as thats what i do for work… and i was on vacation after all, but i do remember getting saddened everytime i read the updates… finally when I came back i saw the verdict and it shocks me that some people are saying “only” and “be happy” and “thank god” etc, I mean i expect this from the shills and trolls but I actually did see some people who i used to respect on sites like Ars say that crap.
Are we living in ****ing bizarro world where something that can be bought for less than 30 bucks put together gets a fine of nearly three quarters of a million dollars? someone had an interesting link on Ars where a human life is worth 6 times less than the what the industry has in place for a single infringement of 150k… its worth reading up on to put things in perspective.
Although the industry can celebrate their “wins” with the JT case and this one, they know theres a going to be a huge public backlash/outcry with these absurd amounts and are trying to downplay them just in case it goes up on appeal and someone with some common sense sees the injustice in this… dont let that happen, shout and let your voice be heard, comment on sites, tell your friends and family let them be outraged and pass it on as well.

But more than anything… like someone has already said above, “stop preaching to the choir” reach out to educate people who have swallowed the propaganda, let them keep buying all the laws they want… we can still bring them down in ashes and they know it – its just a matter of time.

I am saddened by the outcome of this case, but i hope the professor somehow had a plan to this madness that he’s going to spring and surprise all of us… but I am not holding my breath. Pity someone like Ray Beckerman had not handled this.

“the general message here on p2p is that it is OK to file share”
Its absolutely OK to fileshare, people share distros of Linux on p2p networks every second of the day… but I have never seen p2pnet say at anytime its ok to infringe on anyones copyright… even though I DO share that opinion as a form of public protest against the injustices the MAFIAA is trying to shove down our throats via the 18,000 lawsuits, the VICTIMS of these lawsuits, these two high profile cases, the absurd fines, the DRM, price jacking etc etc etc I can keep going on an on

@Henry, take it easy dude… you tore him two new ones instead of just one! LOL!

Sorry for my long post, and enjoy the rest of your weekend guys.

the general message here on p2p is that it is OK to file share

all that I note here is that it can get a person into a lot of trouble if the site is distributing copyright data without permission from the owners.

They weren’t allowed to.
Pay a visit to Ray Beckerman’s site Tom. By Judges order the expert witness for the defense wan’t allowed
to testify about anything relevant, while ‘experts’ for the Plaintiffs, even if they couldn’t pass Daubert,
even if their evidence was gathered ILLEGALLY … those experts could say anything and not need
to back it up.

It was quite shady.

I wonder if ‘Justice’ Gertner has chatted with Judge Davis, they should do lunch.

So here’s yet another free music site: http://www.dogmazic.net/

PS: Henry Emrich, maybe http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17350 is the link you were looking for

“We appreciate that Mr. Tenenbaum finally acknowledged that artists and music companies deserve to be paid for their work”
Yes RIAA, the artists do deserve to be paid!
How much of this $675K will actually end up in the artists pockets??? history tells us not a cent!

The industry as we know it is dead, its time to embrace change and work with it instead of paddling against the current and ultimately drowning.
Associations like the RIAA’s only purpose is to enforce ridiculous fines (675K for 30 songs????$30 seems more like it) and act as the greedy middleman leaching of the hard work of the creator.
Times are changing, people are once again learning the benefits of sharing in this tough economic climate and more and more people are less willing to part with their hard earned for some of the rubbish that is going around the music scene.

File sharing is a hydra, the only way to beat it is to join it.
Anything else is fallacy.

There are now a number of Economists who have completed empirical studies invalidating the ambit claims of the music industry.

Again – I ask, how can justice be served if none of these “experts” has ever been called to give evidence?

I can think of at least four such experts immediately – without having to think about it too hard.