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		<title>By: WinMX</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980357</link>
		<dc:creator>WinMX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 07:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will this do for p2p, absolutely nothing. The networks will continue to prosper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will this do for p2p, absolutely nothing. The networks will continue to prosper.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980206</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is what I was trying to get across with that comment ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is what I was trying to get across with that comment <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980199</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Oh, so what you are saying is that Obamaâs secret safe house and helicopter plans and motorcade info was a failing of the morons hired and not the p2p software. &quot;

 Yes. Precisely.

 Software does only what people tell it to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Oh, so what you are saying is that Obamaâs secret safe house and helicopter plans and motorcade info was a failing of the morons hired and not the p2p software. &#8221;</p>
<p> Yes. Precisely.</p>
<p> Software does only what people tell it to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980184</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s called floating a trial ballon. See how much you get flack over it. If the heat isn&#039;t too bad you introduce legislation to enact it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s called floating a trial ballon. See how much you get flack over it. If the heat isn&#8217;t too bad you introduce legislation to enact it.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980180</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And to those who would ask what they have to hide, letâs see you post your real name and address, your credit card details, your income tax information, your private email. What, you donât want to post all that stuff? Why not? What are you hiding?&quot;


Heh, you do know that it is indeed the politicians who trot out the old &quot;nothing to hide&quot; bullshit, don&#039;t you? The POINT was to hold them to their own brainless ideology, and you totally missed it. We are simply applying exactly what they said to THEM, not to us. Why not? Seems fair to me, don&#039;t you think? Or are you saying that they should be exempt?

You don&#039;t really know what you&#039;re saying do you? I think you completely got the wrong end of the stick there bud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And to those who would ask what they have to hide, letâs see you post your real name and address, your credit card details, your income tax information, your private email. What, you donât want to post all that stuff? Why not? What are you hiding?&#8221;</p>
<p>Heh, you do know that it is indeed the politicians who trot out the old &#8220;nothing to hide&#8221; bullshit, don&#8217;t you? The POINT was to hold them to their own brainless ideology, and you totally missed it. We are simply applying exactly what they said to THEM, not to us. Why not? Seems fair to me, don&#8217;t you think? Or are you saying that they should be exempt?</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t really know what you&#8217;re saying do you? I think you completely got the wrong end of the stick there bud.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980165</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are not fighting dumb-ass employees here with very low IQ&#039;s. On the contrary, you are fighting a propaganda machine who will twist the truth and hide the reality of the situation.

So yes. I stand by what I said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are not fighting dumb-ass employees here with very low IQ&#8217;s. On the contrary, you are fighting a propaganda machine who will twist the truth and hide the reality of the situation.</p>
<p>So yes. I stand by what I said.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980164</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@RW:
How do you get a few billion dollars?  For what, re-education camp?  Um no that&#039;s called send the IT person to ensure people do not have stuff on their machines and remind them, make them sign a waiver, that they know not to install stuff like that.

You really think that will cost billions? Or even millions?  I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RW:<br />
How do you get a few billion dollars?  For what, re-education camp?  Um no that&#8217;s called send the IT person to ensure people do not have stuff on their machines and remind them, make them sign a waiver, that they know not to install stuff like that.</p>
<p>You really think that will cost billions? Or even millions?  I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980163</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, so what you are saying is that Obama&#039;s secret safe house and helicopter plans and motorcade info was a failing of the morons hired and not the p2p software.

Ah

Shocking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, so what you are saying is that Obama&#8217;s secret safe house and helicopter plans and motorcade info was a failing of the morons hired and not the p2p software.</p>
<p>Ah</p>
<p>Shocking.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980162</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the IT department were doing their job correctly to begin with, nobody would be able to install any software or files that aren&#039;t authorized. While educating employees regarding the rules is obviously still a good idea, it is better that any decisions which may affect security isn&#039;t in their hands in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the IT department were doing their job correctly to begin with, nobody would be able to install any software or files that aren&#8217;t authorized. While educating employees regarding the rules is obviously still a good idea, it is better that any decisions which may affect security isn&#8217;t in their hands in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980160</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Easy fix, TRAINING!&quot;

Cool beans!

Lets put these American politicians (whose hands are in the cartels pockets, and vice-versa) in a re-education camp!

I like it!

Robert Rox!

Re-education is the key!

ok, so like who has a few billion to spare to beat the American propaganda machine?

Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Easy fix, TRAINING!&#8221;</p>
<p>Cool beans!</p>
<p>Lets put these American politicians (whose hands are in the cartels pockets, and vice-versa) in a re-education camp!</p>
<p>I like it!</p>
<p>Robert Rox!</p>
<p>Re-education is the key!</p>
<p>ok, so like who has a few billion to spare to beat the American propaganda machine?</p>
<p>Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980159</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Just My Two Cents:
Easy fix, TRAINING!  When hired, teach people &quot;this is not my PC/Mac, therefore I cannot install filesharing or anything on it without authorization and it must be job related.&quot;

That&#039;s what my company did when I signed up, it specifically says no P2P or related, but you can install GVim or Firefox or GCC because those are work related.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Just My Two Cents:<br />
Easy fix, TRAINING!  When hired, teach people &#8220;this is not my PC/Mac, therefore I cannot install filesharing or anything on it without authorization and it must be job related.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what my company did when I signed up, it specifically says no P2P or related, but you can install GVim or Firefox or GCC because those are work related.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980154</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BUt then anyone who opposes them will be terrorists and hidden away on some compound for life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BUt then anyone who opposes them will be terrorists and hidden away on some compound for life.</p>
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		<title>By: Just my two cents</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980153</link>
		<dc:creator>Just my two cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This type of thing is exactly what caused the police in Japan to start on a vendetta against P2P networks like Winney and Share.  

As I have posted before, a police officer took sensitive information about upcoming cases home on a police notebook PC, which he then used to download files off a P2P network, got infected with a virus, and ended up sending the sensitive data over the network.

Similar occurrences like this happened several times in the same deportment, as well as on several SDF (Japan&#039;s self defense force) and government notebook PCs (all of which were not allowed to be used outside of the office, or for personal use).

This prompted a knee-jerk response of the police attacking P2P as &quot;evil&quot; and government officials falling in line with the labels in creating laws against the &quot;illegal&quot; downloading of music/video/and software.

Boy it&#039;s amazing on what some people will stoop to, just because people in their own organization do not know the first thing about security.

Just my two cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This type of thing is exactly what caused the police in Japan to start on a vendetta against P2P networks like Winney and Share.  </p>
<p>As I have posted before, a police officer took sensitive information about upcoming cases home on a police notebook PC, which he then used to download files off a P2P network, got infected with a virus, and ended up sending the sensitive data over the network.</p>
<p>Similar occurrences like this happened several times in the same deportment, as well as on several SDF (Japan&#8217;s self defense force) and government notebook PCs (all of which were not allowed to be used outside of the office, or for personal use).</p>
<p>This prompted a knee-jerk response of the police attacking P2P as &#8220;evil&#8221; and government officials falling in line with the labels in creating laws against the &#8220;illegal&#8221; downloading of music/video/and software.</p>
<p>Boy it&#8217;s amazing on what some people will stoop to, just because people in their own organization do not know the first thing about security.</p>
<p>Just my two cents</p>
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		<title>By: Irate Pirate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980152</link>
		<dc:creator>Irate Pirate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for stricter laws. The harsher the punishments get and the more restricted the freedom of the public becomes, the more folks will realize how truly unjust the system has become. Eventually a tipping point will be reached when the public finally stands up as one and says NO MORE! So you see, stricter laws and punishment is actually a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for stricter laws. The harsher the punishments get and the more restricted the freedom of the public becomes, the more folks will realize how truly unjust the system has become. Eventually a tipping point will be reached when the public finally stands up as one and says NO MORE! So you see, stricter laws and punishment is actually a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980150</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@RW
&quot;And to those who would ask what they have to hide, letâs see you post your real name and address, your credit card details, your income tax information, your private email. What, you donât want to post all that stuff? Why not? What are you hiding?&quot;

I think you&#039;re out to lunch on this one.  You think you&#039;re so clever but in reality, you&#039;re suffering from a strawman fallacy.  How exactly does keeping your credit card or income tax or real name private on a forum like this compare to covering your ass for human rights abuses or violations of foreign/domestic/international law?

When you have something to hide it is something YOU DID, not your Social Insurance/Security Number.  Wake up man, if the government employees made a mistake and a bunch of social security numbers were shared on p2p networks, then they would not refer to it as &quot;sensitive material.&quot;

However, field manuals that explain how to torture someone, illegal in the US, WOULD be classified as &quot;sensitive material&quot; and thus politicians would certainly not want that out.  Hence, covering their ass!  Another example maybe?  How about Bills that allow FBI and NSA to read your email, monitor your phone calls, scan your video/library rentals, financial records, etc.. WITHOUT WARRANT?  Maybe that might be something to hide? Huh?  Yeah, that&#039;s really the same as someone&#039;s address.

And the &quot;something to hide&quot; was EXACTLY what politicians say to citizens when they pass laws for &quot;safety&quot; that invade privacy.  I guess you missed that sarcasm directed at politicians as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RW<br />
&#8220;And to those who would ask what they have to hide, letâs see you post your real name and address, your credit card details, your income tax information, your private email. What, you donât want to post all that stuff? Why not? What are you hiding?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re out to lunch on this one.  You think you&#8217;re so clever but in reality, you&#8217;re suffering from a strawman fallacy.  How exactly does keeping your credit card or income tax or real name private on a forum like this compare to covering your ass for human rights abuses or violations of foreign/domestic/international law?</p>
<p>When you have something to hide it is something YOU DID, not your Social Insurance/Security Number.  Wake up man, if the government employees made a mistake and a bunch of social security numbers were shared on p2p networks, then they would not refer to it as &#8220;sensitive material.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, field manuals that explain how to torture someone, illegal in the US, WOULD be classified as &#8220;sensitive material&#8221; and thus politicians would certainly not want that out.  Hence, covering their ass!  Another example maybe?  How about Bills that allow FBI and NSA to read your email, monitor your phone calls, scan your video/library rentals, financial records, etc.. WITHOUT WARRANT?  Maybe that might be something to hide? Huh?  Yeah, that&#8217;s really the same as someone&#8217;s address.</p>
<p>And the &#8220;something to hide&#8221; was EXACTLY what politicians say to citizens when they pass laws for &#8220;safety&#8221; that invade privacy.  I guess you missed that sarcasm directed at politicians as well.</p>
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		<title>By: hey psst</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980144</link>
		<dc:creator>hey psst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>psst, Dreddsnik, he&#039;s an American gov employee. He didn&#039;t grasp it.

... low IQ thing

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>psst, Dreddsnik, he&#8217;s an American gov employee. He didn&#8217;t grasp it.</p>
<p>&#8230; low IQ thing</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980141</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; How is it that most of the people writing comments completely failed to grasp the point of this issue?

Government employees were installing file sharing software on government computers. They shouldnât have been doing that in the first place, but they were. &quot;

 Your absolutely right , and no we didn&#039;t misunderstand the issue.
 The problem is PEOPLE not p2p software, and the government is using this issue to further their desire to clamp down on, restrict,
 or make illegal P2P software, when the problem isn&#039;t the software at all, as you correctly pointed out.

 It&#039;s the buttheads that used it improperly, that THEY HIRED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; How is it that most of the people writing comments completely failed to grasp the point of this issue?</p>
<p>Government employees were installing file sharing software on government computers. They shouldnât have been doing that in the first place, but they were. &#8221;</p>
<p> Your absolutely right , and no we didn&#8217;t misunderstand the issue.<br />
 The problem is PEOPLE not p2p software, and the government is using this issue to further their desire to clamp down on, restrict,<br />
 or make illegal P2P software, when the problem isn&#8217;t the software at all, as you correctly pointed out.</p>
<p> It&#8217;s the buttheads that used it improperly, that THEY HIRED.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980136</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So basically what you are saying is that:
American government employee&#039;s are the bottom of the IQ list and they don&#039;t have a clue how any software works, especially P2P.

gotcha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically what you are saying is that:<br />
American government employee&#8217;s are the bottom of the IQ list and they don&#8217;t have a clue how any software works, especially P2P.</p>
<p>gotcha.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980132</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it that most of the people writing comments completely failed to grasp the point of this issue?

Government employees were installing file sharing software on government computers. They shouldn&#039;t have been doing that in the first place, but they were. Some of that software, by default, automatically shared the entire My Documents directory. Or it searched out files of specific types to share. In some cases, this made confidential information available to the public.

And to those who would ask what they have to hide, let&#039;s see you post your real name and address, your credit card details, your income tax information, your private email. What, you don&#039;t want to post all that stuff? Why not? What are you hiding?

While I blame the employees for installing personal software on government computers, I also don&#039;t think any file sharing program should share a single file unless you specifically tell it to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it that most of the people writing comments completely failed to grasp the point of this issue?</p>
<p>Government employees were installing file sharing software on government computers. They shouldn&#8217;t have been doing that in the first place, but they were. Some of that software, by default, automatically shared the entire My Documents directory. Or it searched out files of specific types to share. In some cases, this made confidential information available to the public.</p>
<p>And to those who would ask what they have to hide, let&#8217;s see you post your real name and address, your credit card details, your income tax information, your private email. What, you don&#8217;t want to post all that stuff? Why not? What are you hiding?</p>
<p>While I blame the employees for installing personal software on government computers, I also don&#8217;t think any file sharing program should share a single file unless you specifically tell it to.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/26053/comment-page-1#comment-980127</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UK? That little island with better cam service than internet service? bah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UK? That little island with better cam service than internet service? bah.</p>
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