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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28334/comment-page-1#comment-987878</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Crosbie. I try to catch the spam, but there&#039;s so much of it I feel like a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest, as they say. Also, lots going on elsewhere.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Crosbie. I try to catch the spam, but there&#8217;s so much of it I feel like a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest, as they say. Also, lots going on elsewhere.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28334/comment-page-1#comment-987877</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear. My comment has now been deleted, whereas g00glemoneytree&#039;s comment has been left up.
I did not make this statement: &quot;P.S. â Sorry, forgot to tell you great post!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear. My comment has now been deleted, whereas g00glemoneytree&#8217;s comment has been left up.<br />
I did not make this statement: &#8220;P.S. â Sorry, forgot to tell you great post!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28334/comment-page-1#comment-983628</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. No
2. No - by Jon
3. g00glemoneytree is the spammer. They misattributed their post with my name, and failed to make their quotation of my words clear.
4. Why would it diss Jon? Its point is that as the market for copies has ended, newspapers cannot sell copies - even copies of Jon&#039;s good work.

Rights cannot be sold. They can be suspended by the government (in creating the privilege of a monopoly), but no-one should have to pay for their restoration. Artists can sell their work, but they shouldn&#039;t sell their privileges - they should simply neutralise them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. No<br />
2. No &#8211; by Jon<br />
3. g00glemoneytree is the spammer. They misattributed their post with my name, and failed to make their quotation of my words clear.<br />
4. Why would it diss Jon? Its point is that as the market for copies has ended, newspapers cannot sell copies &#8211; even copies of Jon&#8217;s good work.</p>
<p>Rights cannot be sold. They can be suspended by the government (in creating the privilege of a monopoly), but no-one should have to pay for their restoration. Artists can sell their work, but they shouldn&#8217;t sell their privileges &#8211; they should simply neutralise them.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28334/comment-page-1#comment-983622</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 03:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;m REALLY confused now:

   1. Were either of the first posts by Crosbie?  They *almost* read like they were, but it&#039;s hard to tell.

   2. Was Comment 3 by Crosbie?

   3. Who was &quot;spamming&quot;, and what kind of &quot;missattribution&quot; took place?

    4. Was that thing about Jon selling to newspapers &quot;who would then fail to sell copies&quot; supposed to be some kind of Diss against Jon?

    I&#039;m REALLY confused, like I said.

   As I&#039;ve said before, while I still think the stuff about &quot;IP Nihilism&quot; and &quot;natural non-monopolistic IP&quot; is senseless, 1p2u is a really great idea.  Same with www.selelyourrights.com.  (I particularly like that one, because at the present time, when people have been so thoroughly misled about the intended nature, purpose and scope of copyright, allowing the public to essentially &#039;buy back&#039; a portion of such monopolies is a great idea.  More likely to use CC licenses is you can see some kind of &#039;monetization&#039; up front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;m REALLY confused now:</p>
<p>   1. Were either of the first posts by Crosbie?  They *almost* read like they were, but it&#8217;s hard to tell.</p>
<p>   2. Was Comment 3 by Crosbie?</p>
<p>   3. Who was &#8220;spamming&#8221;, and what kind of &#8220;missattribution&#8221; took place?</p>
<p>    4. Was that thing about Jon selling to newspapers &#8220;who would then fail to sell copies&#8221; supposed to be some kind of Diss against Jon?</p>
<p>    I&#8217;m REALLY confused, like I said.</p>
<p>   As I&#8217;ve said before, while I still think the stuff about &#8220;IP Nihilism&#8221; and &#8220;natural non-monopolistic IP&#8221; is senseless, 1p2u is a really great idea.  Same with <a href="http://www.selelyourrights.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.selelyourrights.com</a>.  (I particularly like that one, because at the present time, when people have been so thoroughly misled about the intended nature, purpose and scope of copyright, allowing the public to essentially &#8216;buy back&#8217; a portion of such monopolies is a great idea.  More likely to use CC licenses is you can see some kind of &#8216;monetization&#8217; up front.</p>
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		<title>By: D7sre90999</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28334/comment-page-1#comment-983589</link>
		<dc:creator>D7sre90999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It`ll mean that people make do with what is free , what is free ? &quot;articles&quot; written by &quot;journalists&quot; with axes/grudges/agendas to wield</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It`ll mean that people make do with what is free , what is free ? &#8220;articles&#8221; written by &#8220;journalists&#8221; with axes/grudges/agendas to wield</p>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28334/comment-page-1#comment-983533</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SPAM - and plagiarism/misattribution to boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPAM &#8211; and plagiarism/misattribution to boot.</p>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28334/comment-page-1#comment-983522</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1p2U is more micropatronage than microcharging.

It isn&#039;t about charging people to read, getting them to pay for access to what&#039;s behind a paywall.

1p2U is about letting readers pay writers to write, to pay them to work. It assumes everything they publish is made freely available to the public without any constraint such as copyright.

It sounds like Google&#039;s system is something the newspapers have been demanding, i.e. the facility to charge people pennies to access what&#039;s behind their paywalls.

I&#039;m not aware that Google stole my idea and work, but if they have they haven&#039;t revealed it yet. I&#039;ve been publishing articles describing my ideas for many years, so hopefully no-one will be stupid and try and patent them. :-}

People have known the monopoly of copyright was doomed since the dawn of the Internet, so with the end of the market of copies, it&#039;s pretty obvious that instead of selling copies, you have sell your work. So obviously, the new business model means Jon sells his work to his readers directly, instead of to a newspaper, where they would then fail to sell copies. And if you&#039;re selling work, you don&#039;t need to worry about a monopoly in copies...

Unfortunately, publishing corporations have reptilian brains hardwired to see all commerce in terms of selling or charging for copies. At least their staff can find new jobs even if the corporation that employs them is doomed to extinction.
							P.S. - Sorry, forgot to tell you great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1p2U is more micropatronage than microcharging.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t about charging people to read, getting them to pay for access to what&#8217;s behind a paywall.</p>
<p>1p2U is about letting readers pay writers to write, to pay them to work. It assumes everything they publish is made freely available to the public without any constraint such as copyright.</p>
<p>It sounds like Google&#8217;s system is something the newspapers have been demanding, i.e. the facility to charge people pennies to access what&#8217;s behind their paywalls.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not aware that Google stole my idea and work, but if they have they haven&#8217;t revealed it yet. I&#8217;ve been publishing articles describing my ideas for many years, so hopefully no-one will be stupid and try and patent them. :-}</p>
<p>People have known the monopoly of copyright was doomed since the dawn of the Internet, so with the end of the market of copies, it&#8217;s pretty obvious that instead of selling copies, you have sell your work. So obviously, the new business model means Jon sells his work to his readers directly, instead of to a newspaper, where they would then fail to sell copies. And if you&#8217;re selling work, you don&#8217;t need to worry about a monopoly in copies&#8230;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, publishing corporations have reptilian brains hardwired to see all commerce in terms of selling or charging for copies. At least their staff can find new jobs even if the corporation that employs them is doomed to extinction.<br />
							P.S. &#8211; Sorry, forgot to tell you great post!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28334/comment-page-1#comment-983456</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jazz:

If you send me a story and I use it, Yup. Or if I use one of your Reader&#039;s Writes as an actual post. And the same will apply to anyone else, as long as I know how to reach them. :)

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jazz:</p>
<p>If you send me a story and I use it, Yup. Or if I use one of your Reader&#8217;s Writes as an actual post. And the same will apply to anyone else, as long as I know how to reach them. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Jazz</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28334/comment-page-1#comment-983455</link>
		<dc:creator>Jazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does that mean you&#039;ll pay me? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does that mean you&#8217;ll pay me? <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28334/comment-page-1#comment-983453</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crosbie Fitch should sue google for stealing his idea and work!

(I want a finders fee) ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crosbie Fitch should sue google for stealing his idea and work!</p>
<p>(I want a finders fee) <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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