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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28644/comment-page-1#comment-984333</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom:

&quot;...when you addin the wasted bandwidth that media-sentry et al insist that they steal from us.&quot;

I&#039;m still puzzled at how MediaSentry gets to continue interfering with Aussie transmissions.
(I thought they weren&#039;t licensed to even think about looking at them.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;when you addin the wasted bandwidth that media-sentry et al insist that they steal from us.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still puzzled at how MediaSentry gets to continue interfering with Aussie transmissions.<br />
(I thought they weren&#8217;t licensed to even think about looking at them.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh

And so endeth Chapter 79, vs 202. ;)

Cheers, Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh</p>
<p>And so endeth Chapter 79, vs 202. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers, Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Koltai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Koltai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jon, I still believe in the inherent goodness of the majority of the people of the world. Call me a sucker, call me naive, but I guess I&#039;m at heart a small town boy (Darwin, Oz - Reno NV - Szentgothart - Hu) where the people help their neighbours and used to leave their cars and houses unlocked.
Those same people would rather starve than steal something from a neighbour.

On that basis and with the Bagle sellers 15 years of statistics, I have to say that the ONLY reason 85% of the world is pirating music is that they cant get access to it in any other &quot;REASONABLE&quot; manner.

And music industry guys - reasonable aint iTunes. Reasonable aint &quot;Register here - put your credit card details there, sign your life away here.......&quot; It aint none of your business what music I elect to buy, download and listen too.

So I guess many Internet users utilise P2P as a convenience and a privacy screen with a few electing purposely to utilise P2P as a cost saving measure. Although at the rates us Aussies pay for Internet..... it aint cheap downloading a music track on the internet...... it costs almost as much as iTunes charges - when you addin the wasted bandwidth that media-sentry et al insist that they steal from us.

So in this very long winded answer to your question - I guess if there&#039;s no viable option to obtaining the necessities of life like food, air and water... then the 85% who steal food air and water must be thieves..... but the 57% of aussies that download? Well, they&#039;re just sticking it to the man... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jon, I still believe in the inherent goodness of the majority of the people of the world. Call me a sucker, call me naive, but I guess I&#8217;m at heart a small town boy (Darwin, Oz &#8211; Reno NV &#8211; Szentgothart &#8211; Hu) where the people help their neighbours and used to leave their cars and houses unlocked.<br />
Those same people would rather starve than steal something from a neighbour.</p>
<p>On that basis and with the Bagle sellers 15 years of statistics, I have to say that the ONLY reason 85% of the world is pirating music is that they cant get access to it in any other &#8220;REASONABLE&#8221; manner.</p>
<p>And music industry guys &#8211; reasonable aint iTunes. Reasonable aint &#8220;Register here &#8211; put your credit card details there, sign your life away here&#8230;&#8230;.&#8221; It aint none of your business what music I elect to buy, download and listen too.</p>
<p>So I guess many Internet users utilise P2P as a convenience and a privacy screen with a few electing purposely to utilise P2P as a cost saving measure. Although at the rates us Aussies pay for Internet&#8230;.. it aint cheap downloading a music track on the internet&#8230;&#8230; it costs almost as much as iTunes charges &#8211; when you addin the wasted bandwidth that media-sentry et al insist that they steal from us.</p>
<p>So in this very long winded answer to your question &#8211; I guess if there&#8217;s no viable option to obtaining the necessities of life like food, air and water&#8230; then the 85% who steal food air and water must be thieves&#8230;.. but the 57% of aussies that download? Well, they&#8217;re just sticking it to the man&#8230; <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28644/comment-page-1#comment-984257</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Content&#039; is the word used to describe a magical fluid by those who have just emerged from a charlatan&#039;s tent, gullible victims of an elaborate con.

Supposedly an artist produces this magical fluid and it&#039;s just as valuable in each copy in which it is magically duplicated. Hence how vital it is that the proper publishing wizards are appointed to manufacture each container, properly reimbursing the artist each time their magical fluid is increased by its expansive flow into another receptacle. It is clearly also vital that any miscreant caught attempting to make their own magical fluid containers, to steal the precious magical fluid the artist has painstakingly exuded from the sweat of their brow, be punished severely (fined millions and preferably jailed).

This notion of art as precious magical fluid, as content for only bona fide magical fluid containers is superstitious nonsense. There is no such thing as &#039;content&#039; in terms of intellectual work. If you hear anyone utilise the term you can consider them to have visited the con tent and eaten it hook, line and sinker.

There is only intellectual work, such as may be performed through considerable effort by an artist, inventor, engineer, etc. And copies, such as may be produced by children as easily and naturally as farting.

Obviously, you pay the artist handsomely for their work. You don&#039;t pay a kid for a copy.

So, let&#039;s not get confused by the con man.

A copy is to work, as shit is to Shinola.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Content&#8217; is the word used to describe a magical fluid by those who have just emerged from a charlatan&#8217;s tent, gullible victims of an elaborate con.</p>
<p>Supposedly an artist produces this magical fluid and it&#8217;s just as valuable in each copy in which it is magically duplicated. Hence how vital it is that the proper publishing wizards are appointed to manufacture each container, properly reimbursing the artist each time their magical fluid is increased by its expansive flow into another receptacle. It is clearly also vital that any miscreant caught attempting to make their own magical fluid containers, to steal the precious magical fluid the artist has painstakingly exuded from the sweat of their brow, be punished severely (fined millions and preferably jailed).</p>
<p>This notion of art as precious magical fluid, as content for only bona fide magical fluid containers is superstitious nonsense. There is no such thing as &#8216;content&#8217; in terms of intellectual work. If you hear anyone utilise the term you can consider them to have visited the con tent and eaten it hook, line and sinker.</p>
<p>There is only intellectual work, such as may be performed through considerable effort by an artist, inventor, engineer, etc. And copies, such as may be produced by children as easily and naturally as farting.</p>
<p>Obviously, you pay the artist handsomely for their work. You don&#8217;t pay a kid for a copy.</p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s not get confused by the con man.</p>
<p>A copy is to work, as shit is to Shinola.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom:

&quot;Well, Levitt (in Freakonomics) was unfortunately wrong. He opined that 85% of the world was basically honest and would prefer to pay for their content.&quot;

So the world is ... ?

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom:</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, Levitt (in Freakonomics) was unfortunately wrong. He opined that 85% of the world was basically honest and would prefer to pay for their content.&#8221;</p>
<p>So the world is &#8230; ?</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Koltai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Koltai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather sad really. I really thought that spotify could take the Quantum leap and deliver the profits that the music moguls sop badly need. 
However if even they can&#039;t get their shit together..... 

Well, Levitt (in Freakonomics) was unfortunately wrong. He opined that 85% of the world was basically honest and would prefer to pay for their content. (The bagle seller.)

What he didnt allow for in his conclusion was that the vendor didnt actually want to sell at a price that the consumer could afford.

I have always considered the Emule network the greatest repository of knowledge, media and culture that exists anywhere in the world.
I doubt that Spotify would kill it off, however with 2.37 new customers born every second globally (births minus deaths) there was a chance that the newbies would take up Spotify and allow the music industries to leave us oldies alone......

If the content Gods can&#039;t even agree on Spotify - I guess their business model really doesnt have anywhere to go. At all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather sad really. I really thought that spotify could take the Quantum leap and deliver the profits that the music moguls sop badly need.<br />
However if even they can&#8217;t get their shit together&#8230;.. </p>
<p>Well, Levitt (in Freakonomics) was unfortunately wrong. He opined that 85% of the world was basically honest and would prefer to pay for their content. (The bagle seller.)</p>
<p>What he didnt allow for in his conclusion was that the vendor didnt actually want to sell at a price that the consumer could afford.</p>
<p>I have always considered the Emule network the greatest repository of knowledge, media and culture that exists anywhere in the world.<br />
I doubt that Spotify would kill it off, however with 2.37 new customers born every second globally (births minus deaths) there was a chance that the newbies would take up Spotify and allow the music industries to leave us oldies alone&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>If the content Gods can&#8217;t even agree on Spotify &#8211; I guess their business model really doesnt have anywhere to go. At all.</p>
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		<title>By: NO1UNO</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28644/comment-page-1#comment-984203</link>
		<dc:creator>NO1UNO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3 comments....1 shill, need i say more??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3 comments&#8230;.1 shill, need i say more??</p>
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		<title>By: Positive note</title>
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		<dc:creator>Positive note</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you all have shown the way to the industry. How to distribute, how to make accessible and how to enjoy in a user friendly way. All of you should be happy about it. Sure, some of you will have to spend some time in jail, but at least your ideas will prosper in the hands of big corporations which will now go and further exploit it.

Thank you Torrentspy, thank you Pirate Bay, thank you Oink, thank you File Soup and thank you Usenet.

Thanks to you all internet users will be offered neat and clean catalogues and indexes, spam and spyware free, user friendly interfaces and low cost content.

You made the world a better place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you all have shown the way to the industry. How to distribute, how to make accessible and how to enjoy in a user friendly way. All of you should be happy about it. Sure, some of you will have to spend some time in jail, but at least your ideas will prosper in the hands of big corporations which will now go and further exploit it.</p>
<p>Thank you Torrentspy, thank you Pirate Bay, thank you Oink, thank you File Soup and thank you Usenet.</p>
<p>Thanks to you all internet users will be offered neat and clean catalogues and indexes, spam and spyware free, user friendly interfaces and low cost content.</p>
<p>You made the world a better place.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What a crazy world it is: the very mechanisms which are supposed to protect artists from exploitation are actually hindering their music from being heard, while, due to label accounting trickery, it is uncertain whether they will receive any income at all from the services that do play it.  It is hard to know which would be worse for artists: the success of an efficient but essentially unmonetizable âundergroundâ solution, or the current situation where their works are used as pawns in a mad licensing dance from which it is unlikely anyone will gain but the labels and their lawyers.&quot;

This is because human nature dictates the flow of things. People want to become famous, want to make a lot of money. They want to reach that goal as quickly as possible and are ready to sell their souls for that or the souls of other people.

Here&#039;s where the tech freaks went wrong: they actually thought that if you give people technological freedom, freedom of speech, anonimity and the ability to steal another persons property, everything would be a perfect Hobbit-like world.

The consumers and artists themselves are the root of the problem. And their greed, lust, gluttony and envy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What a crazy world it is: the very mechanisms which are supposed to protect artists from exploitation are actually hindering their music from being heard, while, due to label accounting trickery, it is uncertain whether they will receive any income at all from the services that do play it.  It is hard to know which would be worse for artists: the success of an efficient but essentially unmonetizable âundergroundâ solution, or the current situation where their works are used as pawns in a mad licensing dance from which it is unlikely anyone will gain but the labels and their lawyers.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is because human nature dictates the flow of things. People want to become famous, want to make a lot of money. They want to reach that goal as quickly as possible and are ready to sell their souls for that or the souls of other people.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s where the tech freaks went wrong: they actually thought that if you give people technological freedom, freedom of speech, anonimity and the ability to steal another persons property, everything would be a perfect Hobbit-like world.</p>
<p>The consumers and artists themselves are the root of the problem. And their greed, lust, gluttony and envy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sanity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is something sickening about these negotiations. This is not how the internet is meant to work&quot;

The internet is simply a mirror image of our society. It will therefore not only be up to the &quot;technology freaks&quot; to decide what the internet will look like or how it will work. If you are really interested in what the net will look like in a couple of years, just look out your window.

&quot;Culture, like investment, is too important to leave in the hands of big business.&quot;

Are you going to organize the next U2 or Kravitz concert? Are you going to produce the next District 9 or Star Trek. Big companies come up with huge entertainment events that many people love and many people pay for it. It enables those companies to make more movies most of you will go and visit (Lord of the rings anyone?)

You should at least give the filmmakers some respect for that. Some cultural elements have been contributed by the big companies. Whether you like it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is something sickening about these negotiations. This is not how the internet is meant to work&#8221;</p>
<p>The internet is simply a mirror image of our society. It will therefore not only be up to the &#8220;technology freaks&#8221; to decide what the internet will look like or how it will work. If you are really interested in what the net will look like in a couple of years, just look out your window.</p>
<p>&#8220;Culture, like investment, is too important to leave in the hands of big business.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you going to organize the next U2 or Kravitz concert? Are you going to produce the next District 9 or Star Trek. Big companies come up with huge entertainment events that many people love and many people pay for it. It enables those companies to make more movies most of you will go and visit (Lord of the rings anyone?)</p>
<p>You should at least give the filmmakers some respect for that. Some cultural elements have been contributed by the big companies. Whether you like it or not.</p>
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