Although – listening to the words of some of her songs – I do believe her entire act has elements of an IPFI shill exercise.

Lilly my girl…. loved your It’s not fair…. – but let me whisper in those lovely ears of yours…. you put your sixpence on the wrong horse in this race. Sing, by all means, but leave the politics to those that are loosing their empires. You really don’t want to be cast in with that lot do you ? Remember your school days – losers hang out with losers.

It may well be that the Powers that be have now started a campaign to re-educate the new internet users. They’ve started in New Zealand in a big way…… http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/09/riaa-asks-schoolkids-assist-propaganda

Spotify is partly owned by the big record labels. You can look up who owns a company on-line anyway. You can see who the shareholder’s are. It was reported by IDG anyway. You are all missing the point here. It’s not about copyright anymore, it’s about government finding excuses to get into your HD. Got it?

Kerchoonz is not some kind of anti piracy website. It just a site formed by musicians who are complete independents that pays the artists directly from the advertising and it’s a start-up from what I have seen so I don’t see how @henry thinks it’s some kind of demonising thing.

By the way, I didn’t post that I was from the pirate party. some idiot hijacked my nick name. I’m the real Batman anyway.

And for OMG — Have you recently read how much shit has been stirred by Sarkozy with his 3-strikes law? Oh and IP addresses can be spoofed. If someone can steal your identity they can steal your IP

I am, in fact, Batman.

seriously.

cape and all

Easy to claim, completely impossible to prove. ”

Heh, I don’t even bother to be that articulate with people like that
anymore, Henry.

I just tell them I’m Batman.
Gets the point across and underscores the absurdity of it at the same time.

You actually consider her half-literate jabbering to constitute a “serious blow?”

Truth be told, Indiana Gregg would be completely inconsequential except for the fact that the corporate-owned media can’t wrap their minds around the fact that even if file-sharing and p2p would somehow magically go away (which they won’t, attempts at draconian bullshit notwithstanding), the corporate media would NEVER regain it’s former status and power.

So they resort propping up cretins like Indiana Gregg, and bankrolling useless nonsense like Kerchoonz.

“I was a former member of the pirate party mate”.

Easy to claim, completely impossible to prove.
Speaking for myself, I find it really hard to believe that somebody informed enough about these issues to actually bother ‘joining’ the Pirate Party would have expended even THIS much effort cheerleading for Indiana Gregg and Kerchoonz.

Think about this: If Indiana Gregg REALLY DID understand about p2p, how the major labels have fucked with copyright law for decades, or even the blindingly obvious fact that artists — ESPECIALLY those who aren’t owned by a major label — need to get their stuff out there (even if, god forbid, somebody manages to hear it ‘for free’).

It’s exceedingly doubtful that she OR Lily Allen stop to think about how expensive a major-label managed publicity campaign really is. (But somehow, Lily Allen feels entitled to complain about how far in debt she is to the label, etc.)

I don’t buy it. Indiana Gregg is nothing but a deliberately-ignorant pawn of the corporate music industry, as is Lily Allen.

But to consider Indiana’s little hissy fit/publicity stunt a “serious blow to free culture” is a hell of a stretch.

(Then again, I’m not really surprised — it’s gotta be difficult being articulating her ‘anti-piracy’ message while sucking so much corporate cock.

I don’t think Kerchoonz is going to fix the music industry, and I’m reluctant to visit it if any of the money goes to label executives who continue to harass filesharers and subvert the legal system. But if Kerchoonz figures out a way to pay artists a fair share while keeping music free, I don’t see why we should spend any effort hating it. Likewise, we can all forget about Indiana Gregg, so long as she stops attacking filesharing.

Of course Kerchoonz is not the real solution. The problem with the music industry is the music industry. Nothing will change until record labels go away.

Pretty sure OMG is her publicist.

If all of Gregg’s apologists are as wise and eloquent as you, then I pity the poor woman. Nevertheless, let me try one last time to summarize. (Eternally optimistic: that’s what I am.)

In her blog post, Indiana Gregg predicted gloom and doom for the file sharers. She was wrong. That’s all.

A few observations:

1. What the HELL is up with all the Indiana Gregg apologists? I use the woman as as example of someone who springboarded her “career” (such as it is) by slagging p2p ‘piracy’ — while conveniently misunderstanding the issues SURROUNDING such ‘piracy’. You’ve all proven my point, thanks very much.

2. “Mine’s a Gin” (I’ve never gotten drunk enough not to know which one was mine, but we’ll leave that alone.)
Do us all a favor, and just admit that your an industry apologist. The major labels have been fucking their talent-base (both ‘celebrities’ and especially session musicians) for decades, so it’s way past time to pull your head out of Mitch Bainwol’s ass, and stop buying into the RIAA propaganda.
Read up on it, and you’ll quickly realize that the poor beleaguered artists are getting screwed FAR worse by the industry itself, than by ‘piracy’. And yes, this IS a ‘civil rights’ issue, in that a bloated monopoly privilege (copyright) supposedly trumps anything and everything else. Or haven’t you been paying attention?
(Too much gin, methinks.)

Thank you both for confirming my suspicions that Indiana Gregg exists merely to pander to the ignorant and misinformed of the ‘artistic’ populace.

Any possible notions of ‘compromise’ went out the window the second the industry began buying themselves copyright extensions.
And in case you haven’t been keeping up, by the RIAA member corporation’s own statistics, their “business-model” has a 1% ’success’ rate. That’s right — the all-precious ‘recording industry’ that folks like you are trained to reflexively defend at all costs has a 99 percent failure rate by it’s own admission.

Sorry, but not acceptable.

I do, however, love the way you seem to think whether Indiana Gregg had the startup money before or AFTER the TPB fiasco makes some kind of a difference. If she had it BEFORE, then the whole thing is just that much more obvious of a publicity stunt.

So tell me, Gregg-fans, what exactly does “Kerchoonz” offer?
Unsigned artists have had the opportunity to post their stuff for everybody to find since the original mp3.com (which your precious ‘recording industry’ destroyed, but let’s let that slide.)

“Social networking” functionality is pretty much everywhere, as well. Hell, even Last.FM has some kind of tagging and suchlike.

But wait! Kerchoonz *does* have that whacky gell-speaker thingy! Wow — sanctimonious, ill-informed, RIAA-approved bullshit AND the audio equivalent of the “pocket fisherman”. (No, scratch that — Ron Popeil’s stuff is actually kinda useful sometimes.)

Thanks for confirming the thesis of my article, guys.
Bye now.

However, the fact remains that when she wrote that, some governments were already making threatening noises, so nothing has really changed there. Also, with the exception of a couple countries, the Internet is still as unregulated and free as it ever was.

Indiana used phrases like, “we will all”, and “find all these people who are illegally
’sharing’”. The war against sharing has failed to directly impact even 1% of those who share, to say nothing of “all” of them. Even where governments have “cracked down” on file sharing, we have yet to see any major reduction in file sharing.

TPB was sunk? Last I saw, they were still serving up torrent files. Though I will grant you they do seem to be on the way down. However, it’s debatable whether or not this was due to lawsuits, or just them plain selling out.

Ok, let’s try your wording:

“Is the Internet really that much ‘bigger’ than the ‘real’ world? I think not. I believe that in the near future, we will all be using our IP addresses and access points. If the government can do it in the real world, what’s stopping them from monitoring this new ‘Wild West’ phenomenon of the Internet in every town, city, state and country. I mean … Don’t we have just as much right as citizens to be protected on the Internet as we would be anywhere else?”

See, it still doesn’t work. We have been using IP addresses since the Internet began, and access points for nearly a decade. There’s nothing new about either of them.

You’re right. Because everyone knows that “unsigned bands” are all making a living from CD sales. This is because people are always willing to fork over $10-$15 to buy a CD with a bunch of songs on it from a band they’ve never heard of. It’s just human nature.