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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28779/comment-page-1#comment-984473</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[ADDENDUM TO ABOVE]

6) In your lifetime, has there ever been a tax introduced anywhere that was not expanded, increased, or turned into a complete piece of extortion in some way or another?</description>
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<p>6) In your lifetime, has there ever been a tax introduced anywhere that was not expanded, increased, or turned into a complete piece of extortion in some way or another?</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28779/comment-page-1#comment-984465</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The artists tax does work. Itâs very simple.
Simply measure popularity of the art and pay the artists/creators accordingly.&quot;

Rather than counter-critique you again, I&#039;ll just let you ask yourself...

1) Who&#039;s going to collect the tax?
(You do understand that the artists will not be able to collect directly, right?)

2) Once the collector is established, how many groups do you think will come forward demanding THEIR cut?

3) Once the collector is established, how many ways do you think it will it have to be divided?

4) How will everyone&#039;s cut be determined?
(Not every artist owns the rights, not every song is a hit, etc.  And how much personal tracking are you willing to tolerate before you think it will defeat everyone&#039;s security/privacy, or defeat the Internet experience itself?  And WHO would you be comfortable with doing the necessary tracking?!?  Lots of self-evident questions exist on this point alone.)

5) Do you think 5â¬ per month will amount to enough to pay off EVERY artist, label, performance fee collector, distributor... ad infinitum?
(Do you even realize how many such &quot;rights holders&quot; and other interested groups that would need to be addressed??)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The artists tax does work. Itâs very simple.<br />
Simply measure popularity of the art and pay the artists/creators accordingly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rather than counter-critique you again, I&#8217;ll just let you ask yourself&#8230;</p>
<p>1) Who&#8217;s going to collect the tax?<br />
(You do understand that the artists will not be able to collect directly, right?)</p>
<p>2) Once the collector is established, how many groups do you think will come forward demanding THEIR cut?</p>
<p>3) Once the collector is established, how many ways do you think it will it have to be divided?</p>
<p>4) How will everyone&#8217;s cut be determined?<br />
(Not every artist owns the rights, not every song is a hit, etc.  And how much personal tracking are you willing to tolerate before you think it will defeat everyone&#8217;s security/privacy, or defeat the Internet experience itself?  And WHO would you be comfortable with doing the necessary tracking?!?  Lots of self-evident questions exist on this point alone.)</p>
<p>5) Do you think 5â¬ per month will amount to enough to pay off EVERY artist, label, performance fee collector, distributor&#8230; ad infinitum?<br />
(Do you even realize how many such &#8220;rights holders&#8221; and other interested groups that would need to be addressed??)</p>
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		<title>By: Charbax</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28779/comment-page-1#comment-984411</link>
		<dc:creator>Charbax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The artists tax does work. It&#039;s very simple.

Simply measure popularity of the art and pay the artists/creators accordingly.

5â¬ per month culture tax, if everyone pays that in average based on their income/fortune tax, that would be much more money than artists have ever had, it would finance much better art, much better creations.

There are many reliable ways to measure popularity of content on the Internet. Google Analytics for one, Razorback-style p2p analytics for another, Last.fm style scrobbler plugins installed a hundreds of thousands of consumers for another, also simply measure the amount of downloads in HTTP statistics if the Government could setup a digital library website hosting all the contents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The artists tax does work. It&#8217;s very simple.</p>
<p>Simply measure popularity of the art and pay the artists/creators accordingly.</p>
<p>5â¬ per month culture tax, if everyone pays that in average based on their income/fortune tax, that would be much more money than artists have ever had, it would finance much better art, much better creations.</p>
<p>There are many reliable ways to measure popularity of content on the Internet. Google Analytics for one, Razorback-style p2p analytics for another, Last.fm style scrobbler plugins installed a hundreds of thousands of consumers for another, also simply measure the amount of downloads in HTTP statistics if the Government could setup a digital library website hosting all the contents.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28779/comment-page-1#comment-984395</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh great! A precedent has been set!&quot;

Actually no. New Zealand passed such a law and then has to scrap it because they realized that it is not enforceable.

This is assuming that the constitutional counsel does not strike down the law again and that the European court of justice does not say anything against it. This is unlikely considering the content.


The French are already on the edge of an insurrection and I don&#039;t believe the French government will dare to try to enforce such a law. The law will not be scraped (because the French government never scrap laws) but will be dead. (The French code is full of such zombie laws. One such a law was the Dadvsi law who was never enforced. You remember?)

If they were going to try to enforce this law they would strike people randomly regardless of if they were downloading anything or not, just to pretend that it is working.

The French police and justice is already doing that arresting and condemning people without real proof just to try to show that the police and the justice is efficient while they are not. People are not duped though.

(Search the net using the key word: Ivan Colonna, Julien Coupat for two examples of these.)

It is a good time to be a criminal in French because if you are a little bit careful, it is very likely that someone else than you will bear the hat for your crime. The police will not dig very deep and will declare a guilty person within few weeks or few days. Also if you are a member of the &quot;Elite&quot; you will get a great deal of impunity. (Follow the stories about Sarkozyâs son for example)

On another hand if you are an alien and if you look Arabic, black or Asian you are in trouble!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh great! A precedent has been set!&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually no. New Zealand passed such a law and then has to scrap it because they realized that it is not enforceable.</p>
<p>This is assuming that the constitutional counsel does not strike down the law again and that the European court of justice does not say anything against it. This is unlikely considering the content.</p>
<p>The French are already on the edge of an insurrection and I don&#8217;t believe the French government will dare to try to enforce such a law. The law will not be scraped (because the French government never scrap laws) but will be dead. (The French code is full of such zombie laws. One such a law was the Dadvsi law who was never enforced. You remember?)</p>
<p>If they were going to try to enforce this law they would strike people randomly regardless of if they were downloading anything or not, just to pretend that it is working.</p>
<p>The French police and justice is already doing that arresting and condemning people without real proof just to try to show that the police and the justice is efficient while they are not. People are not duped though.</p>
<p>(Search the net using the key word: Ivan Colonna, Julien Coupat for two examples of these.)</p>
<p>It is a good time to be a criminal in French because if you are a little bit careful, it is very likely that someone else than you will bear the hat for your crime. The police will not dig very deep and will declare a guilty person within few weeks or few days. Also if you are a member of the &#8220;Elite&#8221; you will get a great deal of impunity. (Follow the stories about Sarkozyâs son for example)</p>
<p>On another hand if you are an alien and if you look Arabic, black or Asian you are in trouble!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28779/comment-page-1#comment-984373</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see the Pirate Party in France will gain members because of HADOPI.

I can also see that hackers will spoof government IP addresses, and if they are then exempted from the law that they passed, this will be made public.

And when it does, heads will roll (perhaps literally).

But along with this there will be a notable increase in the use of encryption and non-p2p methods of getting content like Usenet and file hosting services like Rapidshare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see the Pirate Party in France will gain members because of HADOPI.</p>
<p>I can also see that hackers will spoof government IP addresses, and if they are then exempted from the law that they passed, this will be made public.</p>
<p>And when it does, heads will roll (perhaps literally).</p>
<p>But along with this there will be a notable increase in the use of encryption and non-p2p methods of getting content like Usenet and file hosting services like Rapidshare.</p>
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		<title>By: cynoque</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28779/comment-page-1#comment-984362</link>
		<dc:creator>cynoque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi guys.

I am french and I follow this website for a little time (2 or 3 months) and also I use some words from here for my website http://anarzone.com

I read a thing which make me be surprised (sorry for my bad english this is not my langage) in this post : this is not the french people which made this fucking law, but our stupid president and his band of thieves. The part of the people which were for this law were the part of the people who believe the TV news, and who have vote for Sarkozy. The bad part of the people. 

I like your site keep it like this. I will sometimes put a commentary to say you I steal your words... (joke, when I &quot;steal&quot; some words, I always say before from who these are words, and after, I put a link toward the original article.

greetings.

Cynoque from anarzone, a french free website uncensored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi guys.</p>
<p>I am french and I follow this website for a little time (2 or 3 months) and also I use some words from here for my website <a href="http://anarzone.com" rel="nofollow">http://anarzone.com</a></p>
<p>I read a thing which make me be surprised (sorry for my bad english this is not my langage) in this post : this is not the french people which made this fucking law, but our stupid president and his band of thieves. The part of the people which were for this law were the part of the people who believe the TV news, and who have vote for Sarkozy. The bad part of the people. </p>
<p>I like your site keep it like this. I will sometimes put a commentary to say you I steal your words&#8230; (joke, when I &#8220;steal&#8221; some words, I always say before from who these are words, and after, I put a link toward the original article.</p>
<p>greetings.</p>
<p>Cynoque from anarzone, a french free website uncensored.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28779/comment-page-1#comment-984360</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Cynix

Thanks for pointing that out. I&#039;d meant to add leaders (...) .

Fixed.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Cynix</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing that out. I&#8217;d meant to add leaders (&#8230;) .</p>
<p>Fixed.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Cynix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typo: you&#039;ve got &quot;We predict that before very long, France will once again become the scene of a revolution. But this time &quot; in the quotes section, but I&#039;m sure that you meant it outside of that, as that sentence isn&#039;t actually in your quoted article and looks cut off anyway.

The whole sentence should probably read: &quot;We predict that before very long, France will once again become the scene of a revolution. But this time stay tuned&quot;.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo: you&#8217;ve got &#8220;We predict that before very long, France will once again become the scene of a revolution. But this time &#8221; in the quotes section, but I&#8217;m sure that you meant it outside of that, as that sentence isn&#8217;t actually in your quoted article and looks cut off anyway.</p>
<p>The whole sentence should probably read: &#8220;We predict that before very long, France will once again become the scene of a revolution. But this time stay tuned&#8221;.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28779/comment-page-1#comment-984356</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We *could* follow many Americans&#039; actions when France declined to invade Iraq!  We *could* change the name from French Fries to something else, like Freedom Fries or Filesharing Fries.

Obviously this was sarcasm!  And no intended insults to any Americans that realize France has nothing to do with French Fries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We *could* follow many Americans&#8217; actions when France declined to invade Iraq!  We *could* change the name from French Fries to something else, like Freedom Fries or Filesharing Fries.</p>
<p>Obviously this was sarcasm!  And no intended insults to any Americans that realize France has nothing to do with French Fries.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good news! We&#039;re all fucked.

/sarcasm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news! We&#8217;re all fucked.</p>
<p>/sarcasm</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28779/comment-page-1#comment-984353</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let them eat cake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let them eat cake.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28779/comment-page-1#comment-984346</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This picture might be a more fitting representation: 

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/timewasters/guillotine.bmp

:P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This picture might be a more fitting representation: </p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/timewasters/guillotine.bmp" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/timewasters/guillotine.bmp</a></p>
<p> <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RIAA Hater</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28779/comment-page-1#comment-984345</link>
		<dc:creator>RIAA Hater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I was in France to help with the coming riots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I was in France to help with the coming riots.</p>
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		<title>By: JasonN</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28779/comment-page-1#comment-984342</link>
		<dc:creator>JasonN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let the riots begin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let the riots begin!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28779/comment-page-1#comment-984340</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarko, casse toi, pauvre con!

http://www.google.fr/search?q=trou+du+cul+du+web</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarko, casse toi, pauvre con!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.fr/search?q=trou+du+cul+du+web" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.fr/search?q=trou+du+cul+du+web</a></p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28779/comment-page-1#comment-984339</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the French at times like this,the place will be burning within a month!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the French at times like this,the place will be burning within a month!.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...she is a proponent of the Global Licence, where people would be allowed to pirate anything legally by just paying in average 5â¬ in Culture taxes per month.&quot;

If you think the endless list of interested parties looking for their &quot;cut&quot; would be happy with your 5â¬ per month, you haven&#039;t thought it through.

All proposed schemes involving &quot;file sharing levies&quot;, &quot;artist taxes&quot;, &quot;license fees&quot;, or any of the thousand other synonymous terms can only fail, as there are simply too many &quot;rights holders&quot; and &quot;royalties collectors&quot; to satisfy.  They&#039;ve all pretty well stated that their terms under such a scenario would &quot;need to be&quot; far more expensive than reasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;she is a proponent of the Global Licence, where people would be allowed to pirate anything legally by just paying in average 5â¬ in Culture taxes per month.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you think the endless list of interested parties looking for their &#8220;cut&#8221; would be happy with your 5â¬ per month, you haven&#8217;t thought it through.</p>
<p>All proposed schemes involving &#8220;file sharing levies&#8221;, &#8220;artist taxes&#8221;, &#8220;license fees&#8221;, or any of the thousand other synonymous terms can only fail, as there are simply too many &#8220;rights holders&#8221; and &#8220;royalties collectors&#8221; to satisfy.  They&#8217;ve all pretty well stated that their terms under such a scenario would &#8220;need to be&#8221; far more expensive than reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Charbax:

It&#039;s been a while. :) If you do anything on this, please let me know,

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Charbax:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been a while. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  If you do anything on this, please let me know,</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Charbax</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28779/comment-page-1#comment-984336</link>
		<dc:creator>Charbax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I campaigned for SÃ©golÃ¨ne Royal, she lost to Nicolas Sarkozy my 5% in the presidential election, she is a proponent of the Global Licence, where people would be allowed to pirate anything legally by just paying in average 5â¬ in Culture taxes per month. And all that money being distributed to fund artists. http://charbax.com/2007/11/01/segolene-royal-is-better-for-france/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I campaigned for SÃ©golÃ¨ne Royal, she lost to Nicolas Sarkozy my 5% in the presidential election, she is a proponent of the Global Licence, where people would be allowed to pirate anything legally by just paying in average 5â¬ in Culture taxes per month. And all that money being distributed to fund artists. <a href="http://charbax.com/2007/11/01/segolene-royal-is-better-for-france/" rel="nofollow">http://charbax.com/2007/11/01/segolene-royal-is-better-for-france/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Clarkson</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28779/comment-page-1#comment-984335</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Clarkson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go forth you French hooligans, tip cars over and set them on fire!
This is one of those times when it&#039;s actually alright to do so.  

Vive la France, vive la liberte!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go forth you French hooligans, tip cars over and set them on fire!<br />
This is one of those times when it&#8217;s actually alright to do so.  </p>
<p>Vive la France, vive la liberte!</p>
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