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	<title>Comments on: Lily Allen, copyright pirate</title>
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		<title>By: ste</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-985069</link>
		<dc:creator>ste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>la de da</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>la de da</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984636</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Very interesting ideas. Much better than âeverything should be freeâ and âpiracy is good for the economy and cultural development blah blahâ &quot;

 Please show us where someone says, &#039; everything should be free&#039; .
 Please provide a link to a credible source where an educated person has suggested that
 &#039;everything should be free&#039; . 

 Hyperbole and distraction is simply another form of industry lapdog bullshit.

 I hope they aren&#039;t wasting too much money on your services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Very interesting ideas. Much better than âeverything should be freeâ and âpiracy is good for the economy and cultural development blah blahâ &#8221;</p>
<p> Please show us where someone says, &#8216; everything should be free&#8217; .<br />
 Please provide a link to a credible source where an educated person has suggested that<br />
 &#8216;everything should be free&#8217; . </p>
<p> Hyperbole and distraction is simply another form of industry lapdog bullshit.</p>
<p> I hope they aren&#8217;t wasting too much money on your services.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984635</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; @ omg

Very interesting ideas. Much better than âeverything should be freeâ and âpiracy is good for the economy and cultural development blah blahâ


 Oooh look. A troll talking to himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; @ omg</p>
<p>Very interesting ideas. Much better than âeverything should be freeâ and âpiracy is good for the economy and cultural development blah blahâ</p>
<p> Oooh look. A troll talking to himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Gheldi</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984603</link>
		<dc:creator>Gheldi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ omg

Very interesting ideas. Much better than &#039;everything should be free&#039; and &#039;piracy is good for the economy and cultural development blah blah&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ omg</p>
<p>Very interesting ideas. Much better than &#8216;everything should be free&#8217; and &#8216;piracy is good for the economy and cultural development blah blah&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Koltai</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984591</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Koltai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s OK folks - I&#039;m undeleting as fast as I can........ HINT - there are lots of caches around the Internet......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s OK folks &#8211; I&#8217;m undeleting as fast as I can&#8230;&#8230;.. HINT &#8211; there are lots of caches around the Internet&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984523</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here as well:
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/23/lily-allens-copyrigh.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here as well:<br />
<a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/23/lily-allens-copyrigh.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/23/lily-allens-copyrigh.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: catflap</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984508</link>
		<dc:creator>catflap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, they&#039;re gone too. damn rupert has his hands in everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, they&#8217;re gone too. damn rupert has his hands in everything.</p>
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		<title>By: catflap</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984507</link>
		<dc:creator>catflap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the links are downloadable through the internet archive wayback machine. :)

the internets is 4eva.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the links are downloadable through the internet archive wayback machine. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>the internets is 4eva.</p>
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		<title>By: omg</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984503</link>
		<dc:creator>omg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gheldi,  my understanding is that the idea of creative commons isn&#039;t based on copyright.  It&#039;s based upon the author or creator&#039;s right to allow their work to be used after they have exercised their right of first release, etc.  There&#039;s a difference.  I thought the blog was interesting enough, but, goes too far into the pirate party opression.  This is what Gregg is lobbying for: 

She writes: &quot;1) The Internet needs a Compulsory global license for Music. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/compulsary_worldwide_digital_mus/index.html

This would enable websites to calculate their margins and contributions for the use of music and other media would become more standardized...  , which essentially reduces costs, and create a fair playing field. It would take some of the âcontrolâ out of the hands of the music industry, but, the result would be hugely beneficial and rather than oppressing artistic culture financially, it would help stimulate and compensate. 

2) A levy on the ISPs needs to be introduced. The Internet needs to be levied at its access points. Telecom companies are your Internet passport. They are the gateway between you and the media on the Internet. Telecoms are expanding rapidly even during a global recession. People have become very dependent on this âinternet passport.â The telecoms generate huge revenues and turn over massive profits. They are selling connections and bandwidth based on the premise that people want to access culture. We are paying for access. A portion of their revenues should be allocated to the media that people are accessing. A levy on the ISPs and mobile phone networks towards compensating creators would allow a passage of âfree cultureâ on the Internet whereby piracy could become obsolete. This levy could be introduced without raising the cost of Broadband to the end user if you lobby hard enough. Simply, it could come out of the ISPâs profits. 

3) Government subsidies: At the moment, at least in the UK, government is ironically concerned with the economics of the music industry rather than âcultureâ. The government wants to see jobs being created. As the impact that a levy on the ISPs combined with a compulsory license for music on the Internet would essentially help create a cultural expansion on-line, so would the impact on job creation and artistic development. Theoretically, less law suits and lobbying would result in the creative industries focusing on music again. This would help free up government resources into the regeneration of music at the grass roots level rather than the seizure of resources that has been wasted on fighting piracy.&quot;

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I think that it would work if it was for all media.  In this case, there would be no more copyright or creative commons necessary at least as it applies to the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gheldi,  my understanding is that the idea of creative commons isn&#8217;t based on copyright.  It&#8217;s based upon the author or creator&#8217;s right to allow their work to be used after they have exercised their right of first release, etc.  There&#8217;s a difference.  I thought the blog was interesting enough, but, goes too far into the pirate party opression.  This is what Gregg is lobbying for: </p>
<p>She writes: &#8220;1) The Internet needs a Compulsory global license for Music. <a href="http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/compulsary_worldwide_digital_mus/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/compulsary_worldwide_digital_mus/index.html</a></p>
<p>This would enable websites to calculate their margins and contributions for the use of music and other media would become more standardized&#8230;  , which essentially reduces costs, and create a fair playing field. It would take some of the âcontrolâ out of the hands of the music industry, but, the result would be hugely beneficial and rather than oppressing artistic culture financially, it would help stimulate and compensate. </p>
<p>2) A levy on the ISPs needs to be introduced. The Internet needs to be levied at its access points. Telecom companies are your Internet passport. They are the gateway between you and the media on the Internet. Telecoms are expanding rapidly even during a global recession. People have become very dependent on this âinternet passport.â The telecoms generate huge revenues and turn over massive profits. They are selling connections and bandwidth based on the premise that people want to access culture. We are paying for access. A portion of their revenues should be allocated to the media that people are accessing. A levy on the ISPs and mobile phone networks towards compensating creators would allow a passage of âfree cultureâ on the Internet whereby piracy could become obsolete. This levy could be introduced without raising the cost of Broadband to the end user if you lobby hard enough. Simply, it could come out of the ISPâs profits. </p>
<p>3) Government subsidies: At the moment, at least in the UK, government is ironically concerned with the economics of the music industry rather than âcultureâ. The government wants to see jobs being created. As the impact that a levy on the ISPs combined with a compulsory license for music on the Internet would essentially help create a cultural expansion on-line, so would the impact on job creation and artistic development. Theoretically, less law suits and lobbying would result in the creative industries focusing on music again. This would help free up government resources into the regeneration of music at the grass roots level rather than the seizure of resources that has been wasted on fighting piracy.&#8221;</p>
<p>end of quote</p>
<p>I think that it would work if it was for all media.  In this case, there would be no more copyright or creative commons necessary at least as it applies to the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Gheldi</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984501</link>
		<dc:creator>Gheldi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a pirating pro-copyright singer is equally silly as a creative commons millionaire who says that there&#039;s a need for copyright.

Joi Ito, chief executive of Creative Commons: Creative Commons is a tool that is built on top of copyright, so in order for Creative Commons to exist, copyright has to exist, and in fact in countries where they have little or no copyright enforcement we&#039;re actually not that interesting, and Creative Commons is the most interesting in regimes where copyright is very complicated, yet people, some people, want to share, and then Creative Commons becomes a very important tool. (â¦)I was on board of icann, but they make a bazillion dollars, they make $50m or so. From registration, and I&#039;m on board of Mozilla, which gets about $70m from Google.. so business models are possible. Having said that, Icann has a business model that is a cause of a lot of their problems. (â¦) We&#039;re kind of stuck actually between two extremes, where there are certain people who are what I would call abolitionist and certain people who are pro-piracy, basically want to abolish copyright; and there are people who want to not allow any sharing because it destroys their business model and want everything to be controlled. But most of the people are sort of in between, and we enable everybody in between. On another tack, you&#039;re a venture capitalist, you were an early investor in Last fm, you&#039;re an early investor in Twitter. A lot of people are interested by It&#039;s rumoured it&#039;s going to get some extra investment. Is that true?
JI: Yes, there is that rumour (laughs). (â¦) I think that when you look globally the infrastructure for e-commerce isn&#039;t available in a lot of of countries, so while you may have a lot of traffic, you don&#039;t necessarily have al lot of money
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/sep/23/joi-ito-interview-creative-commons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a pirating pro-copyright singer is equally silly as a creative commons millionaire who says that there&#8217;s a need for copyright.</p>
<p>Joi Ito, chief executive of Creative Commons: Creative Commons is a tool that is built on top of copyright, so in order for Creative Commons to exist, copyright has to exist, and in fact in countries where they have little or no copyright enforcement we&#8217;re actually not that interesting, and Creative Commons is the most interesting in regimes where copyright is very complicated, yet people, some people, want to share, and then Creative Commons becomes a very important tool. (â¦)I was on board of icann, but they make a bazillion dollars, they make $50m or so. From registration, and I&#8217;m on board of Mozilla, which gets about $70m from Google.. so business models are possible. Having said that, Icann has a business model that is a cause of a lot of their problems. (â¦) We&#8217;re kind of stuck actually between two extremes, where there are certain people who are what I would call abolitionist and certain people who are pro-piracy, basically want to abolish copyright; and there are people who want to not allow any sharing because it destroys their business model and want everything to be controlled. But most of the people are sort of in between, and we enable everybody in between. On another tack, you&#8217;re a venture capitalist, you were an early investor in Last fm, you&#8217;re an early investor in Twitter. A lot of people are interested by It&#8217;s rumoured it&#8217;s going to get some extra investment. Is that true?<br />
JI: Yes, there is that rumour (laughs). (â¦) I think that when you look globally the infrastructure for e-commerce isn&#8217;t available in a lot of of countries, so while you may have a lot of traffic, you don&#8217;t necessarily have al lot of money<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/sep/23/joi-ito-interview-creative-commons" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/sep/23/joi-ito-interview-creative-commons</a></p>
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		<title>By: MAFIAA</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984499</link>
		<dc:creator>MAFIAA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your stories are more balanced Jon, so keep it up. And you&#039;re less afraid of free speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your stories are more balanced Jon, so keep it up. And you&#8217;re less afraid of free speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984492</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ RW: &quot;Youâre falling behind, Jon. Thereâs already a lengthy follow up to this story at Techdirt.&quot;

On TorrentFreak as well, as Ernesto informs me. 

*sigh* What to do? What to &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt;?

Sadly,  there&#039;s only me here and I&#039;m working on other stories, Lily&#039;s being only one of them.

But thanks for pointing that out ...

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ RW: &#8220;Youâre falling behind, Jon. Thereâs already a lengthy follow up to this story at Techdirt.&#8221;</p>
<p>On TorrentFreak as well, as Ernesto informs me. </p>
<p>*sigh* What to do? What to <i>do</i>?</p>
<p>Sadly,  there&#8217;s only me here and I&#8217;m working on other stories, Lily&#8217;s being only one of them.</p>
<p>But thanks for pointing that out &#8230;</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: daddy</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984491</link>
		<dc:creator>daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re all in a kindergarten and someone has come to take away your favorite toys.

you all will have to go work and get paid to be able to buy your favorite music or movie. Will be a whole new experience for you and you will even get to talk to a real live person!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re all in a kindergarten and someone has come to take away your favorite toys.</p>
<p>you all will have to go work and get paid to be able to buy your favorite music or movie. Will be a whole new experience for you and you will even get to talk to a real live person!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984490</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re falling behind, Jon. There&#039;s already a lengthy follow up to this story at Techdirt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re falling behind, Jon. There&#8217;s already a lengthy follow up to this story at Techdirt.</p>
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		<title>By: omg</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984489</link>
		<dc:creator>omg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not quite what you would expect but:  http://indianagregg.blogspot.com/2009/09/pirate-party-versus-musicians.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not quite what you would expect but:  <a href="http://indianagregg.blogspot.com/2009/09/pirate-party-versus-musicians.html" rel="nofollow">http://indianagregg.blogspot.com/2009/09/pirate-party-versus-musicians.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cynix</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984488</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another PR own goal, hahahahahaha.

What a bitch, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another PR own goal, hahahahahaha.</p>
<p>What a bitch, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: RIAA Hater</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984486</link>
		<dc:creator>RIAA Hater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol, what a bitch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, what a bitch.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984482</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s just deleted all her blog posts (a few minutes ago).

ROFL!

http://idontwanttochangetheworld.blogspot.com/ - it&#039;s now completely empty of posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s just deleted all her blog posts (a few minutes ago).</p>
<p>ROFL!</p>
<p><a href="http://idontwanttochangetheworld.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://idontwanttochangetheworld.blogspot.com/</a> &#8211; it&#8217;s now completely empty of posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28862/comment-page-1#comment-984481</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indiana Gregg 2.0</description>
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