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	<title>Comments on: 9 years for spammer Jaynes</title>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6917</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6917</guid>
		<description>What will they do if people get infected with virii that allow people to relay off them for email - will they go to jail because their pc sent email-spam?

I don’t mind the spammers getting some payback for the boatloads of garbage that fills my mailbox daily but I don’t think jailtime is fair either.

Again, I feel this is an area where a spammer's isp can handle it rather than leaning to the Gov't to take over. The isp can simply global-black-list the spamming users which would disallow them any broadband line in the country... or even a dialup line, for that matter.  IMHO that’s better than taking up ever decreasing available space in our prisons that could be better suited to murder's and rapists.

That said, I know it wont happen that way.  Over the last couple of years every move our Gov't has made regarding the internet has lead to their increased levels of control over whats transmitted through it. The whole point if the internet is 'freedom' of information and everyone on the net knows that concept scares the crap out of the Gov't because it's something that isn't as easy to monitor as our phone calls (been being monitored for many many years, duh) especially with encryption protecting us from their prying ears/eyes (ever wonder why they dont want you to use high encryption? It's because the 4,096 bit keys available on one of the common p2p programs takes a long time to decrypt. It's not for national security because frankly the 'world' has had access to this encryption for a long dang time!)

If they can arrest a spammer, they can arrest you for sending a chain message to your friends in pm through icq/aim/yahoo/msn/jabber/whatever...  and in time, they will.

We really 'REALLY' should put a tight leash on our Gov't because in time we will all be living in a Gattica-type place and wondering where our freedoms went.

Just my 10 cents.

_-Jile-_
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will they do if people get infected with virii that allow people to relay off them for email - will they go to jail because their pc sent email-spam?</p>
<p>I don’t mind the spammers getting some payback for the boatloads of garbage that fills my mailbox daily but I don’t think jailtime is fair either.</p>
<p>Again, I feel this is an area where a spammer&#8217;s isp can handle it rather than leaning to the Gov&#8217;t to take over. The isp can simply global-black-list the spamming users which would disallow them any broadband line in the country&#8230; or even a dialup line, for that matter.  IMHO that’s better than taking up ever decreasing available space in our prisons that could be better suited to murder&#8217;s and rapists.</p>
<p>That said, I know it wont happen that way.  Over the last couple of years every move our Gov&#8217;t has made regarding the internet has lead to their increased levels of control over whats transmitted through it. The whole point if the internet is &#8216;freedom&#8217; of information and everyone on the net knows that concept scares the crap out of the Gov&#8217;t because it&#8217;s something that isn&#8217;t as easy to monitor as our phone calls (been being monitored for many many years, duh) especially with encryption protecting us from their prying ears/eyes (ever wonder why they dont want you to use high encryption? It&#8217;s because the 4,096 bit keys available on one of the common p2p programs takes a long time to decrypt. It&#8217;s not for national security because frankly the &#8216;world&#8217; has had access to this encryption for a long dang time!)</p>
<p>If they can arrest a spammer, they can arrest you for sending a chain message to your friends in pm through icq/aim/yahoo/msn/jabber/whatever&#8230;  and in time, they will.</p>
<p>We really &#8216;REALLY&#8217; should put a tight leash on our Gov&#8217;t because in time we will all be living in a Gattica-type place and wondering where our freedoms went.</p>
<p>Just my 10 cents.</p>
<p>_-Jile-_</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6834</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6834</guid>
		<description>About fucking time we got tough.</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6824</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2004 05:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6824</guid>
		<description>In nine years, he can come out and enjoy the spoils of his larceny.  Actually, probably closer to seven years.  He is young, though a little dopey looking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In nine years, he can come out and enjoy the spoils of his larceny.  Actually, probably closer to seven years.  He is young, though a little dopey looking.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6820</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6820</guid>
		<description>i hate spammers as much as the next guy - 1st thing i do in the AM is dump the garbage. but this is ridiculous. if hed stolen $10 million from a pension fund hed get 10 minutes at a federal holiday farm.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hate spammers as much as the next guy - 1st thing i do in the AM is dump the garbage. but this is ridiculous. if hed stolen $10 million from a pension fund hed get 10 minutes at a federal holiday farm.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6819</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6819</guid>
		<description>This is totally nuts. White collar crime. In nine years (probably less) you may end up with a hardened criminal. A very rich hardened criminal. Just what we need. Jail time is not going to scare anybody. If you want to punish these guys, you are going to have to seize their assets. (That $7500 fine must have really hurt Jaynes' sister, probably used her AMEX to pay it). As things are, we know that crime pays, and we know how much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is totally nuts. White collar crime. In nine years (probably less) you may end up with a hardened criminal. A very rich hardened criminal. Just what we need. Jail time is not going to scare anybody. If you want to punish these guys, you are going to have to seize their assets. (That $7500 fine must have really hurt Jaynes&#8217; sister, probably used her AMEX to pay it). As things are, we know that crime pays, and we know how much.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6815</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 23:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6815</guid>
		<description>A scam...is still a scam.... they made money...$24 million...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A scam&#8230;is still a scam&#8230;. they made money&#8230;$24 million&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6814</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 23:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6814</guid>
		<description>dude, back down...
he totally called you on it
you had no idea what you were talking about</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude, back down&#8230;<br />
he totally called you on it<br />
you had no idea what you were talking about</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6810</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6810</guid>
		<description>Ah...civility.  Observing your prosaic, dirt-common method of expression, you would be the one to teach the world of civility.  You speak as intelligently as you write.  But then, you'll always be too blind to grasp what that truly means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah&#8230;civility.  Observing your prosaic, dirt-common method of expression, you would be the one to teach the world of civility.  You speak as intelligently as you write.  But then, you&#8217;ll always be too blind to grasp what that truly means.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6809</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6809</guid>
		<description>Boo hoo hoo - Is da' spam huttin' da' widdle baby again? Don't get yourself in a tizzy.  Not good for your health.  Might cause your jelly to Jello...Ha, ha, ha, ha...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boo hoo hoo - Is da&#8217; spam huttin&#8217; da&#8217; widdle baby again? Don&#8217;t get yourself in a tizzy.  Not good for your health.  Might cause your jelly to Jello&#8230;Ha, ha, ha, ha&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6808</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6808</guid>
		<description>I have no idea how much spam i get i have filters that filter i would say a good 99% of it out so i don't feel sorry for the people who sit there and delete spam learn a little about your email client and filter all of the crap out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea how much spam i get i have filters that filter i would say a good 99% of it out so i don&#8217;t feel sorry for the people who sit there and delete spam learn a little about your email client and filter all of the crap out</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6807</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6807</guid>
		<description>If in reality - with absolutely no exaggeration - it takes you 10-15 MINUTES, EVERY SINGLE DAY to delete spam from your Inbox - then you must - IN REALITY - be receiving about 2,000-3,000 spam e-mails daily.  There's no other way a person can spend 10-15 minutes on spam unless - UNLESS - that person is opening every single one of them and perusing them before hitting delete.  I come in each morning, see immediately the e-mails I want, simply by looking at the subject line.  For the e-mails I don't want - I hold down Ctrl while clicking on all those I don't want - and once they're highlighted I hit delete.  Even when I have quite a few of them, it doesn't take more than 30-90 seconds.  10-15 MINUTES A DAY - YEAH, RIGHT!!! How many penis enlargement e-mails can you read over and over and over...Quit screwing around with the spam and get rid of it if you're really that much against it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If in reality - with absolutely no exaggeration - it takes you 10-15 MINUTES, EVERY SINGLE DAY to delete spam from your Inbox - then you must - IN REALITY - be receiving about 2,000-3,000 spam e-mails daily.  There&#8217;s no other way a person can spend 10-15 minutes on spam unless - UNLESS - that person is opening every single one of them and perusing them before hitting delete.  I come in each morning, see immediately the e-mails I want, simply by looking at the subject line.  For the e-mails I don&#8217;t want - I hold down Ctrl while clicking on all those I don&#8217;t want - and once they&#8217;re highlighted I hit delete.  Even when I have quite a few of them, it doesn&#8217;t take more than 30-90 seconds.  10-15 MINUTES A DAY - YEAH, RIGHT!!! How many penis enlargement e-mails can you read over and over and over&#8230;Quit screwing around with the spam and get rid of it if you&#8217;re really that much against it.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6806</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6806</guid>
		<description>listen you little shit you really should read the whole post before you comment on things and if you can't be civil you really should not be posting anywhere if i we wanted to be badgered i would go visist your mom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>listen you little shit you really should read the whole post before you comment on things and if you can&#8217;t be civil you really should not be posting anywhere if i we wanted to be badgered i would go visist your mom.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6805</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6805</guid>
		<description>what worries me the most is that people are not looking at the bigger picture. If we give the gov. power over the internet they are going to abuse that power. I think all of this links together and when i say all of this i mean the RIAA and the MPAA they saw an oppertunity to take back there dying industry and are currently abusing a law that was put in place to help keep us safe not sue are children and grandparents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what worries me the most is that people are not looking at the bigger picture. If we give the gov. power over the internet they are going to abuse that power. I think all of this links together and when i say all of this i mean the RIAA and the MPAA they saw an oppertunity to take back there dying industry and are currently abusing a law that was put in place to help keep us safe not sue are children and grandparents.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6804</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6804</guid>
		<description>Poor baby...I suppose next we'll see you on the news, like some pathetic sap I saw one night telling everyone how he was just "worn out" from deleting spam every day.  The wussies just get wussier on this planet.  DELETE THE CRAP AND SHUT UP ABOUT IT! What are you made of...JELLY?!?!?!?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor baby&#8230;I suppose next we&#8217;ll see you on the news, like some pathetic sap I saw one night telling everyone how he was just &#8220;worn out&#8221; from deleting spam every day.  The wussies just get wussier on this planet.  DELETE THE CRAP AND SHUT UP ABOUT IT! What are you made of&#8230;JELLY?!?!?!?!?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6803</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6803</guid>
		<description>Well...as long as you're around to set the whole world straight, I suppose we'll all get one, like it or not. Whose wife are you anyway!?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;as long as you&#8217;re around to set the whole world straight, I suppose we&#8217;ll all get one, like it or not. Whose wife are you anyway!?!?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6802</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6802</guid>
		<description>Wow have we taken the first step down a slippery slope.....As most of you know often spam programs will take public e-mail addresses off the web and then use them as the from address.

Let's just say that one of these programs hijacks your e-mail address and next thing you know you're standing tall before the Judge.  Could you prove that you didn't send the e-mail?

Think of the future where political activists send out e-mails to "subscribers" and someone complains that it's spam.  Do we jail them as well?

And finally sending this person to prison, much like sending hardened convicts into the gen pop. will only spread the process among other convicts who when released will multiply the amount of spam out there by 100.

So I recommend that we define spam as unsolicited e-mail for commercial gain OR place regulations on it so that consumers can easily filter it out.  Yes there are a few people who actually like getting spam and they do buy the products.  Jail time isn't going to solve the problem and with all the publicity "he made 24 million USD" think of all the people who will want to get into this.  The crime is easier, seems to make more and has lower risk than selling drugs on the street for example.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow have we taken the first step down a slippery slope&#8230;..As most of you know often spam programs will take public e-mail addresses off the web and then use them as the from address.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just say that one of these programs hijacks your e-mail address and next thing you know you&#8217;re standing tall before the Judge.  Could you prove that you didn&#8217;t send the e-mail?</p>
<p>Think of the future where political activists send out e-mails to &#8220;subscribers&#8221; and someone complains that it&#8217;s spam.  Do we jail them as well?</p>
<p>And finally sending this person to prison, much like sending hardened convicts into the gen pop. will only spread the process among other convicts who when released will multiply the amount of spam out there by 100.</p>
<p>So I recommend that we define spam as unsolicited e-mail for commercial gain OR place regulations on it so that consumers can easily filter it out.  Yes there are a few people who actually like getting spam and they do buy the products.  Jail time isn&#8217;t going to solve the problem and with all the publicity &#8220;he made 24 million USD&#8221; think of all the people who will want to get into this.  The crime is easier, seems to make more and has lower risk than selling drugs on the street for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6801</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6801</guid>
		<description>Totally agreed!  Internet is a virtual system, so anyone committing any wrong doing shall be punished by virtual means.  It's outrageous to go  to jail just for sending email!    I got tons of pizza flyers and bullshit coupons thrashed at my door, and they make real mess that I don't want, how come there's no law to protect us from that? 
 Instead of bar those spammers from jail, they should be barred from ever using the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agreed!  Internet is a virtual system, so anyone committing any wrong doing shall be punished by virtual means.  It&#8217;s outrageous to go  to jail just for sending email!    I got tons of pizza flyers and bullshit coupons thrashed at my door, and they make real mess that I don&#8217;t want, how come there&#8217;s no law to protect us from that?<br />
 Instead of bar those spammers from jail, they should be barred from ever using the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6800</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6800</guid>
		<description>you say these thins but i don't really think that anyone is looking at the bigger picture and i run about 20 email servers so i have no idea how many spam messages i got every day but i will gaurentee its more than most. As for the guy making money off of it shit isn't that the ameriacan way. i just wish everyone would look at the bigger picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you say these thins but i don&#8217;t really think that anyone is looking at the bigger picture and i run about 20 email servers so i have no idea how many spam messages i got every day but i will gaurentee its more than most. As for the guy making money off of it shit isn&#8217;t that the ameriacan way. i just wish everyone would look at the bigger picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6798</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6798</guid>
		<description>I hate spam. I spend probably 10-15 minutes a day deleting that crap, before I get to the real email. Multiply that times millions of users getting spammed. That's a LOT of wasted time and time is money. 9 years isn't enough fot that jerk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate spam. I spend probably 10-15 minutes a day deleting that crap, before I get to the real email. Multiply that times millions of users getting spammed. That&#8217;s a LOT of wasted time and time is money. 9 years isn&#8217;t enough fot that jerk.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6796</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2917#comment-6796</guid>
		<description>I hate spam, and this guy was certainly spamming in the worst way.  

Here's a hypothetical I'd like to hear y'all weigh in on.

Let's say your're a small business that sells mousetraps.  You have a brick &#038; mortar store front, and an online store.  You're not a huge business, but you have a solid product, and satisfied customers.

You buy a list of users from the national association of mouse trappers, and send them all an unsolicited email telling them about your latest product.  You don't fake your return address, your contact information is real and leads right to your business.  You don't hit them more than once or twice a month, and you offer a way to get off the list.

Is this spam?  I don't think so.  What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate spam, and this guy was certainly spamming in the worst way.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a hypothetical I&#8217;d like to hear y&#8217;all weigh in on.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say your&#8217;re a small business that sells mousetraps.  You have a brick &#038; mortar store front, and an online store.  You&#8217;re not a huge business, but you have a solid product, and satisfied customers.</p>
<p>You buy a list of users from the national association of mouse trappers, and send them all an unsolicited email telling them about your latest product.  You don&#8217;t fake your return address, your contact information is real and leads right to your business.  You don&#8217;t hit them more than once or twice a month, and you offer a way to get off the list.</p>
<p>Is this spam?  I don&#8217;t think so.  What do you think?</p>
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