p2pnet - rss feed: 9 years for spammer Jaynes
p2pnet.net News:- Spammer Jeremy Jaynes, aka Gaven Stubberfield, had the distinction of being the first spammer to be charged under Virginia’s antispam law.
And he’s now scored another equally less-than-desirable No 1.
He’s been recommended for a nine-year jail term under the first US felony conviction of a spammer.
From Raleigh, North Carolina, Jaynes, 30, was convicted on three counts of using deceptive routing information in sending bulk commercial e-mail, says internetnews.com, going on:
“Under Virginia’s anti-spam law, which went into effect in April 2003, spammers living outside of the state can be charged, even if none of the recipients live in Virginia, as long as the e-mail was routed through Virginia. More than half of the world’s e-mail flows through Virginia, home of America Online and numerous federal agencies.
“According to the evidence presented at the trial, Jaynes, 30, and his sister, Jessica DeGroot, grossed more than $24 million in various e-mail scams. The jury spared DeGroot, 28, jail time but fined her $7,500. A third defendant, Richard Rutkowski, 30, was acquitted.”
Jaynes and DeGroot are expected to appeal on grounds that the Virginia law is an unconstitutional infringement of free speech, adds internetnews.com.
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See:-
No 1 - Gaven Stubberfield - nabbed, p2pnet, December 12, 2003
internetnews.com - Spammer Gets Slammer, November 5, 2004
November 5th, 2004 at 3:53 pm
hang em high
November 5th, 2004 at 3:54 pm
Damn straight.
November 5th, 2004 at 3:56 pm
“free speech”. it means that u can send mail with porn?
November 5th, 2004 at 3:57 pm
$24M split three ways divided by 9 years (which he won’t fully serve) = not much of a disincentive.
November 5th, 2004 at 3:57 pm
Hopefully that will free up some bandwidth for us P2P users?!?
November 5th, 2004 at 3:57 pm
Thats great! I live in Virginia (well, not right now… i’m deployed) and wasn’t even aware of that law.
Put him away for a long, long time.
I am sure Bubba will show him what spam truly is.
November 5th, 2004 at 4:06 pm
$24!!! Im in the wrong bizz. I think we need to start putting away people dumb enough to bite on the spam too! $24M!!!!! No wonder they keep doing it. Holly cow $24M!
November 5th, 2004 at 4:07 pm
is everyone sure that this is what they want!!!!!!!!!! Look at what is happening to something we all hold so dear. First it was domain names and then it went to the RIAA sueing 13 yr olds and 70 yr olds for someting that is going to happen whether they want it to or not and now we can sue someone for sending out spam. Im sorry but i think this si terribly wrong and that if the people do not stand up against government control of the net the safe haven where you can express anything you want will be gone. I know most of you are probobly thinking that I must be a spammer but truly I have never sent out spam and infact don’t do reply to the chain mail that I get from friends. I jsut am concerned that something that means so much to me will be ruined by people trying to control it.
November 5th, 2004 at 4:10 pm
I’m not a fan of spam by any means. But I have observed that, when the other guy has an idea and advertises via e-mail to you or me…it’s spam. However, when you or me have an idea and decides to advertise via e-mail - it’s a “good product that everyone should hear about.” The masses - one huge blind spot wrapped up in hypocritical, sick irony.
November 5th, 2004 at 4:15 pm
Dude, how many spam mails to YOU get a day? I get about 50-100. That guy should be shot. And you should be slapped for sticking up for the rights of someone who makes a buck off invading everyone else’s privacy and taxing the electronic infrastructure of the nation (world?). He’s the devil and you’re a fool.
November 5th, 2004 at 4:20 pm
The problem isn’t advertising. The problem as stated, if you actually read the story, is that they used phony headers in their e-mail, masking their identity. Sending out “junk e-mail” is legal if you do not mask its origin, give people a way to unsubscribe, and do not include anything pornographic in the e-mail. Next time, get an informed opinion.
November 5th, 2004 at 4:23 pm
Well…as long as you’re around to set the whole world straight, I suppose we’ll all get one, like it or not. Whose wife are you anyway!?!?
November 5th, 2004 at 4:25 pm
I hate spam, and this guy was certainly spamming in the worst way.
Here’s a hypothetical I’d like to hear y’all weigh in on.
Let’s say your’re a small business that sells mousetraps. You have a brick & mortar store front, and an online store. You’re not a huge business, but you have a solid product, and satisfied customers.
You buy a list of users from the national association of mouse trappers, and send them all an unsolicited email telling them about your latest product. You don’t fake your return address, your contact information is real and leads right to your business. You don’t hit them more than once or twice a month, and you offer a way to get off the list.
Is this spam? I don’t think so. What do you think?
November 5th, 2004 at 4:30 pm
I hate spam. I spend probably 10-15 minutes a day deleting that crap, before I get to the real email. Multiply that times millions of users getting spammed. That’s a LOT of wasted time and time is money. 9 years isn’t enough fot that jerk.
November 5th, 2004 at 4:37 pm
you say these thins but i don’t really think that anyone is looking at the bigger picture and i run about 20 email servers so i have no idea how many spam messages i got every day but i will gaurentee its more than most. As for the guy making money off of it shit isn’t that the ameriacan way. i just wish everyone would look at the bigger picture.
November 5th, 2004 at 4:41 pm
Totally agreed! Internet is a virtual system, so anyone committing any wrong doing shall be punished by virtual means. It’s outrageous to go to jail just for sending email! I got tons of pizza flyers and bullshit coupons thrashed at my door, and they make real mess that I don’t want, how come there’s no law to protect us from that?
Instead of bar those spammers from jail, they should be barred from ever using the internet.
November 5th, 2004 at 4:46 pm
Wow have we taken the first step down a slippery slope…..As most of you know often spam programs will take public e-mail addresses off the web and then use them as the from address.
Let’s just say that one of these programs hijacks your e-mail address and next thing you know you’re standing tall before the Judge. Could you prove that you didn’t send the e-mail?
Think of the future where political activists send out e-mails to “subscribers” and someone complains that it’s spam. Do we jail them as well?
And finally sending this person to prison, much like sending hardened convicts into the gen pop. will only spread the process among other convicts who when released will multiply the amount of spam out there by 100.
So I recommend that we define spam as unsolicited e-mail for commercial gain OR place regulations on it so that consumers can easily filter it out. Yes there are a few people who actually like getting spam and they do buy the products. Jail time isn’t going to solve the problem and with all the publicity “he made 24 million USD” think of all the people who will want to get into this. The crime is easier, seems to make more and has lower risk than selling drugs on the street for example.
November 5th, 2004 at 4:50 pm
Well…as long as you’re around to set the whole world straight, I suppose we’ll all get one, like it or not. Whose wife are you anyway!?!?
November 5th, 2004 at 4:52 pm
Poor baby…I suppose next we’ll see you on the news, like some pathetic sap I saw one night telling everyone how he was just “worn out” from deleting spam every day. The wussies just get wussier on this planet. DELETE THE CRAP AND SHUT UP ABOUT IT! What are you made of…JELLY?!?!?!?!?
November 5th, 2004 at 4:55 pm
what worries me the most is that people are not looking at the bigger picture. If we give the gov. power over the internet they are going to abuse that power. I think all of this links together and when i say all of this i mean the RIAA and the MPAA they saw an oppertunity to take back there dying industry and are currently abusing a law that was put in place to help keep us safe not sue are children and grandparents.
November 5th, 2004 at 4:59 pm
listen you little shit you really should read the whole post before you comment on things and if you can’t be civil you really should not be posting anywhere if i we wanted to be badgered i would go visist your mom.
November 5th, 2004 at 5:00 pm
If in reality - with absolutely no exaggeration - it takes you 10-15 MINUTES, EVERY SINGLE DAY to delete spam from your Inbox - then you must - IN REALITY - be receiving about 2,000-3,000 spam e-mails daily. There’s no other way a person can spend 10-15 minutes on spam unless - UNLESS - that person is opening every single one of them and perusing them before hitting delete. I come in each morning, see immediately the e-mails I want, simply by looking at the subject line. For the e-mails I don’t want - I hold down Ctrl while clicking on all those I don’t want - and once they’re highlighted I hit delete. Even when I have quite a few of them, it doesn’t take more than 30-90 seconds. 10-15 MINUTES A DAY - YEAH, RIGHT!!! How many penis enlargement e-mails can you read over and over and over…Quit screwing around with the spam and get rid of it if you’re really that much against it.
November 5th, 2004 at 5:05 pm
I have no idea how much spam i get i have filters that filter i would say a good 99% of it out so i don’t feel sorry for the people who sit there and delete spam learn a little about your email client and filter all of the crap out
November 5th, 2004 at 5:06 pm
Boo hoo hoo - Is da’ spam huttin’ da’ widdle baby again? Don’t get yourself in a tizzy. Not good for your health. Might cause your jelly to Jello…Ha, ha, ha, ha…
November 5th, 2004 at 5:13 pm
Ah…civility. Observing your prosaic, dirt-common method of expression, you would be the one to teach the world of civility. You speak as intelligently as you write. But then, you’ll always be too blind to grasp what that truly means.
November 5th, 2004 at 6:15 pm
dude, back down…
he totally called you on it
you had no idea what you were talking about
November 5th, 2004 at 6:19 pm
A scam…is still a scam…. they made money…$24 million…
November 5th, 2004 at 9:17 pm
This is totally nuts. White collar crime. In nine years (probably less) you may end up with a hardened criminal. A very rich hardened criminal. Just what we need. Jail time is not going to scare anybody. If you want to punish these guys, you are going to have to seize their assets. (That $7500 fine must have really hurt Jaynes’ sister, probably used her AMEX to pay it). As things are, we know that crime pays, and we know how much.
November 5th, 2004 at 9:27 pm
i hate spammers as much as the next guy - 1st thing i do in the AM is dump the garbage. but this is ridiculous. if hed stolen $10 million from a pension fund hed get 10 minutes at a federal holiday farm.
November 6th, 2004 at 12:03 am
In nine years, he can come out and enjoy the spoils of his larceny. Actually, probably closer to seven years. He is young, though a little dopey looking.
November 6th, 2004 at 4:27 am
About fucking time we got tough.
November 9th, 2004 at 6:30 pm
What will they do if people get infected with virii that allow people to relay off them for email - will they go to jail because their pc sent email-spam?
I don’t mind the spammers getting some payback for the boatloads of garbage that fills my mailbox daily but I don’t think jailtime is fair either.
Again, I feel this is an area where a spammer’s isp can handle it rather than leaning to the Gov’t to take over. The isp can simply global-black-list the spamming users which would disallow them any broadband line in the country… or even a dialup line, for that matter. IMHO that’s better than taking up ever decreasing available space in our prisons that could be better suited to murder’s and rapists.
That said, I know it wont happen that way. Over the last couple of years every move our Gov’t has made regarding the internet has lead to their increased levels of control over whats transmitted through it. The whole point if the internet is ‘freedom’ of information and everyone on the net knows that concept scares the crap out of the Gov’t because it’s something that isn’t as easy to monitor as our phone calls (been being monitored for many many years, duh) especially with encryption protecting us from their prying ears/eyes (ever wonder why they dont want you to use high encryption? It’s because the 4,096 bit keys available on one of the common p2p programs takes a long time to decrypt. It’s not for national security because frankly the ‘world’ has had access to this encryption for a long dang time!)
If they can arrest a spammer, they can arrest you for sending a chain message to your friends in pm through icq/aim/yahoo/msn/jabber/whatever… and in time, they will.
We really ‘REALLY’ should put a tight leash on our Gov’t because in time we will all be living in a Gattica-type place and wondering where our freedoms went.
Just my 10 cents.
_-Jile-_