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	<title>Comments on: WiFi imaging sees through walls &#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: EE</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/29439/comment-page-1#comment-985891</link>
		<dc:creator>EE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;i&#039;m lost for ideas of what this could be used for that doesn&#039;t already have a âfinishedâ alternativeâ¦&quot;

Exactly, it&#039;s new.  No one knows what advantages or disadvantages a &#039;finished&#039; (I&#039;m using that word loosely because no technology is ever finished until it&#039;s completely obsolete) form of this technology might have over existing alternatives.  Can it be made to be more efficient than something else?  Does the fact it relies on electromagnetic waves instead of photons make it more attractive than thermal imaging for some applications?

We cannot dismiss a technology completely just because its proof of concept doesn&#039;t &quot;wow&quot; everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;i&#8217;m lost for ideas of what this could be used for that doesn&#8217;t already have a âfinishedâ alternativeâ¦&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly, it&#8217;s new.  No one knows what advantages or disadvantages a &#8216;finished&#8217; (I&#8217;m using that word loosely because no technology is ever finished until it&#8217;s completely obsolete) form of this technology might have over existing alternatives.  Can it be made to be more efficient than something else?  Does the fact it relies on electromagnetic waves instead of photons make it more attractive than thermal imaging for some applications?</p>
<p>We cannot dismiss a technology completely just because its proof of concept doesn&#8217;t &#8220;wow&#8221; everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Mephitidae</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/29439/comment-page-1#comment-985887</link>
		<dc:creator>Mephitidae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Or, it could be improved to function as a practical tracking device.&quot;

triangulation with cellphone towers (already used by police) or existing wifi hotspots whose location was known (was an app that did this... cant remember its name now tho... but while it worked it wasnt reliable...) and of course the all-encompasing GPS... 

and of course thermal imaging comes into play when looking for a someone who does not have an electronic device of their own... 

this type of tracking for home automation perhaps(for a -very- smart house)? im lost for ideas of what this could be used for that doesnt already have a &#039;finished&#039; alternative...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Or, it could be improved to function as a practical tracking device.&#8221;</p>
<p>triangulation with cellphone towers (already used by police) or existing wifi hotspots whose location was known (was an app that did this&#8230; cant remember its name now tho&#8230; but while it worked it wasnt reliable&#8230;) and of course the all-encompasing GPS&#8230; </p>
<p>and of course thermal imaging comes into play when looking for a someone who does not have an electronic device of their own&#8230; </p>
<p>this type of tracking for home automation perhaps(for a -very- smart house)? im lost for ideas of what this could be used for that doesnt already have a &#8216;finished&#8217; alternative&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: EE</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/29439/comment-page-1#comment-985882</link>
		<dc:creator>EE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if it isn&#039;t practical now, it&#039;s a new technology.  My guess is that someone will at least use the wave properties/math from this invention to improve something else.  Or, it could be improved to function as a practical tracking device.

Keep the new technology articles coming. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if it isn&#8217;t practical now, it&#8217;s a new technology.  My guess is that someone will at least use the wave properties/math from this invention to improve something else.  Or, it could be improved to function as a practical tracking device.</p>
<p>Keep the new technology articles coming. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those of you who painted the house with zinc-oxide - are you getting hallucinations now?

It looks like humans need Earth&#039;s magnetic field to function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those of you who painted the house with zinc-oxide &#8211; are you getting hallucinations now?</p>
<p>It looks like humans need Earth&#8217;s magnetic field to function.</p>
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		<title>By: Mephitidae</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/29439/comment-page-1#comment-985873</link>
		<dc:creator>Mephitidae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jon

&quot;Locating people in fires, hostage situations, collapsed buildings, earthquakes, etc, etc â¦ ?&quot;

ppl in fires?; thermal imaging -- for the departments that can afford it.. and thats a mature tech... i can only imagine what this would cost... 

hostage situations?; strategic positions of well trained snipers among many other tools (sometimes including.. you guessed it... thermal imaging...)

collapsed buildings?; ppl sniffing dogs... teeny tiny cameras that can be snaked through the rubble... how would you get the transmitter/reciver to see through a collapsed building anyway? its -collapsed- ... where do you plan to stick the transmitter(s)?

earthquakes?; see above unless you had another idea since detecting them is the territory of yet another very mature tech

its an interesting idea with a high cool and geek factor... but honestly not a practical one... 34 &#039;nodes&#039; for 780 sq feet to get a pixelated image? only time will tell what becomes of this... (if anything)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jon</p>
<p>&#8220;Locating people in fires, hostage situations, collapsed buildings, earthquakes, etc, etc â¦ ?&#8221;</p>
<p>ppl in fires?; thermal imaging &#8212; for the departments that can afford it.. and thats a mature tech&#8230; i can only imagine what this would cost&#8230; </p>
<p>hostage situations?; strategic positions of well trained snipers among many other tools (sometimes including.. you guessed it&#8230; thermal imaging&#8230;)</p>
<p>collapsed buildings?; ppl sniffing dogs&#8230; teeny tiny cameras that can be snaked through the rubble&#8230; how would you get the transmitter/reciver to see through a collapsed building anyway? its -collapsed- &#8230; where do you plan to stick the transmitter(s)?</p>
<p>earthquakes?; see above unless you had another idea since detecting them is the territory of yet another very mature tech</p>
<p>its an interesting idea with a high cool and geek factor&#8230; but honestly not a practical one&#8230; 34 &#8216;nodes&#8217; for 780 sq feet to get a pixelated image? only time will tell what becomes of this&#8230; (if anything)</p>
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		<title>By: NO1UNO</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/29439/comment-page-1#comment-985839</link>
		<dc:creator>NO1UNO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but is anyone considering what DAMAGE high powered wi-fi might cause to the people
who are being watched using it??? might be a great tool, might be a BAD WAY to die!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but is anyone considering what DAMAGE high powered wi-fi might cause to the people<br />
who are being watched using it??? might be a great tool, might be a BAD WAY to die!!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ll need oversight committees to monitor those using the technology.  Anything invasive should have restricted access to materials to build it.  It&#039;s like weapons or drugs, who cares if you read up on how it is made, nothing wrong with that, some people are curious.  But if you start ordering materials to produce said illegal/dangerous good, then you will (hopefully) be caught and punished.

People should be educated about how the technology works and if they want to paint their house with zinc-oxide paint or wrap it in tinfoil or whatever, it&#039;s their right to do so.  However, the use of the technology still has to be regulated, no paparazzi or &quot;security&quot; guys can have it.  Any time police use it, extensive documentation, non-erasable/modifiable memory of everything (location, video, audio), full disclosure to the public inquiry committee is a must!  Basically, if you&#039;re going to use it for anything, we want to make sure if you&#039;re using it for bad, you&#039;re hung out to dry!  Especially if you are a government agency or police force.

As always, accountability MUST accompany anything relating to invasion of any sort of privacy.  And not a wrist slap either, if a civilian used the technology to catch a cheating wife, they would be severely punished.  If it were police abusing the technology, they MUST be severely punished as well (paid days off is NOT a punishment!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll need oversight committees to monitor those using the technology.  Anything invasive should have restricted access to materials to build it.  It&#8217;s like weapons or drugs, who cares if you read up on how it is made, nothing wrong with that, some people are curious.  But if you start ordering materials to produce said illegal/dangerous good, then you will (hopefully) be caught and punished.</p>
<p>People should be educated about how the technology works and if they want to paint their house with zinc-oxide paint or wrap it in tinfoil or whatever, it&#8217;s their right to do so.  However, the use of the technology still has to be regulated, no paparazzi or &#8220;security&#8221; guys can have it.  Any time police use it, extensive documentation, non-erasable/modifiable memory of everything (location, video, audio), full disclosure to the public inquiry committee is a must!  Basically, if you&#8217;re going to use it for anything, we want to make sure if you&#8217;re using it for bad, you&#8217;re hung out to dry!  Especially if you are a government agency or police force.</p>
<p>As always, accountability MUST accompany anything relating to invasion of any sort of privacy.  And not a wrist slap either, if a civilian used the technology to catch a cheating wife, they would be severely punished.  If it were police abusing the technology, they MUST be severely punished as well (paid days off is NOT a punishment!).</p>
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		<title>By: EE</title>
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		<dc:creator>EE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If someone wants to spy on you, they will probably choose one of the multitude of other technologies available.  Thermal imaging, cameras, eavesdropping on communications...... This doesn&#039;t seem to give any new capabilities for surveillance purposes.

That being said..... it is really cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone wants to spy on you, they will probably choose one of the multitude of other technologies available.  Thermal imaging, cameras, eavesdropping on communications&#8230;&#8230; This doesn&#8217;t seem to give any new capabilities for surveillance purposes.</p>
<p>That being said&#8230;.. it is really cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any cool technology will be abused, the matter is not to let the state abuse it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any cool technology will be abused, the matter is not to let the state abuse it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, we should never invent anything with potential beneficial uses because
it will be used for &#039;bad&#039; purposes.

 Hmmm, we&#039;re starting to sound like the RIAA.
 P2P should be destroyed because some people don&#039;t use it for
 good.

 Sorry, I have got to go along with any invention has a right to exist as long as it
 has &#039;substantial legal uses&#039;. 

 Sound familiar ?

 No ? Don&#039;t feel bad. Most lawmakers couldn&#039;t tell you where that quote comes
 from either.


 Every invention ever conceived can be used for good OR ill.
 Knives, guns ,sticks, VHS, P2P .. Google Earth ( had to slip that in ; )  ).
 If inventing must be banned because of potential bad uses we might
 as well have just stayed in our caves and never come out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, we should never invent anything with potential beneficial uses because<br />
it will be used for &#8216;bad&#8217; purposes.</p>
<p> Hmmm, we&#8217;re starting to sound like the RIAA.<br />
 P2P should be destroyed because some people don&#8217;t use it for<br />
 good.</p>
<p> Sorry, I have got to go along with any invention has a right to exist as long as it<br />
 has &#8217;substantial legal uses&#8217;. </p>
<p> Sound familiar ?</p>
<p> No ? Don&#8217;t feel bad. Most lawmakers couldn&#8217;t tell you where that quote comes<br />
 from either.</p>
<p> Every invention ever conceived can be used for good OR ill.<br />
 Knives, guns ,sticks, VHS, P2P .. Google Earth ( had to slip that in ; )  ).<br />
 If inventing must be banned because of potential bad uses we might<br />
 as well have just stayed in our caves and never come out.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/29439/comment-page-1#comment-985813</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of taser-toting police was sold to the public based on the promise that tasers would save lives by serving as a less-lethal subsitiute for a firearm. But guess what? Police now routinely use tasers in everyday situations in which they would never have even considered using a gun, while the death toll from tasers keeps rising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of taser-toting police was sold to the public based on the promise that tasers would save lives by serving as a less-lethal subsitiute for a firearm. But guess what? Police now routinely use tasers in everyday situations in which they would never have even considered using a gun, while the death toll from tasers keeps rising.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Development of this technology to the point of usability is guaranteed to be a tool for government to spy on people. 

 Although only yet developed to the point of being able to detect movement, in time there&#039;s no reason why it could not be refined into a system for &quot;photographing&quot; through walls.

In theory, it&#039;s not much different from the decades-old science of geophysical well-logging, which enables the ability to &quot;see&quot; sub-surface geology remotely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Development of this technology to the point of usability is guaranteed to be a tool for government to spy on people. </p>
<p> Although only yet developed to the point of being able to detect movement, in time there&#8217;s no reason why it could not be refined into a system for &#8220;photographing&#8221; through walls.</p>
<p>In theory, it&#8217;s not much different from the decades-old science of geophysical well-logging, which enables the ability to &#8220;see&#8221; sub-surface geology remotely.</p>
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		<title>By: bork</title>
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		<dc:creator>bork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess the paranoid people who wrapped their houses up in tin foil because they where being watched, did not have it wrong.

The newer method is now zinc-oxide paint; blocks the signal better than the foil and is easier to apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess the paranoid people who wrapped their houses up in tin foil because they where being watched, did not have it wrong.</p>
<p>The newer method is now zinc-oxide paint; blocks the signal better than the foil and is easier to apply.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/29439/comment-page-1#comment-985808</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Yes, like a lot of ideas that CAN be used for good (remember &quot;the internet&quot;?), it will be end up yielding even more &quot;creative&quot; uses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Yes, like a lot of ideas that CAN be used for good (remember &#8220;the internet&#8221;?), it will be end up yielding even more &#8220;creative&#8221; uses.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/29439/comment-page-1#comment-985807</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...finding masterbaters to post on the internet, locating incriminating silhouettes of cheating celebrities, checking ahead to see if a house&#039;s occupants are asleep or out...
:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;finding masterbaters to post on the internet, locating incriminating silhouettes of cheating celebrities, checking ahead to see if a house&#8217;s occupants are asleep or out&#8230;<br />
 <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: lando calrissian</title>
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		<dc:creator>lando calrissian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paint your walls with layers of this stuff should do the trick.
http://www.engadget.com/2004/08/12/it-was-only-a-matter-of-time-defendair-radio-shield-paint/

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=block+wifi

wasn&#039;t so hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paint your walls with layers of this stuff should do the trick.<br />
<a href="http://www.engadget.com/2004/08/12/it-was-only-a-matter-of-time-defendair-radio-shield-paint/" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadget.com/2004/08/12/it-was-only-a-matter-of-time-defendair-radio-shield-paint/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=block+wifi" rel="nofollow">http://lmgtfy.com/?q=block+wifi</a></p>
<p>wasn&#8217;t so hard.</p>
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		<title>By: andyb</title>
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		<dc:creator>andyb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vid of it in use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifQkbMJ_sXM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vid of it in use.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifQkbMJ_sXM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifQkbMJ_sXM</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ kylekatarn

&quot;how can that be &#039;cool&#039;?&quot;

Locating people in fires, hostage situations, collapsed buildings, earthquakes, etc, etc ... ?

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ kylekatarn</p>
<p>&#8220;how can that be &#8216;cool&#8217;?&#8221;</p>
<p>Locating people in fires, hostage situations, collapsed buildings, earthquakes, etc, etc &#8230; ?</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: kylekatarn</title>
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		<dc:creator>kylekatarn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another privacy killer... how can that be &quot;cool&quot;? We all know what&#039;s that going to be used for... SURVEILLANCE. Can&#039;t the human mind actually invent something for a true benefic goal? I only hear about more big brother, more spying, more weapons, more censorship,...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another privacy killer&#8230; how can that be &#8220;cool&#8221;? We all know what&#8217;s that going to be used for&#8230; SURVEILLANCE. Can&#8217;t the human mind actually invent something for a true benefic goal? I only hear about more big brother, more spying, more weapons, more censorship,&#8230;</p>
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