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Movies and Music

p2pnet.net News:- Another great hullabaloo has been going on this week over the fact that the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) plans to start the same kind of debilitating legal actions against illegal file sharing of movies, that the recording industry has been filing for the past year.

Online music file sharing is measured in billions of files downloaded, but the MPAA says that under 150,000 movie titles are traded each day in the US on file sharing services.

MPAA member studios now plan to file 230 legal actions in their first wave of lawsuits early next week seeking damages up to $150,000 for each movie placed online.

Faultline thought it might well be worth making a few notes about just how different the circumstances are for these legal actions and their likely outcome, compared to the rampant piracy affecting the music industry.

The first thing to remind everyone of is that when record labels were first hit by the sharing of files on peer to peer networks, those networks had not been legally challenged and for the most part were not understood. That was over four years ago and now people are beginning to come to terms with the existence of P2P networks, and how to go about stopping distribution of content over them and know what is and what is not allowed in the way of legal challenges.

Record labels are also coming close to an accommodation with the super distribution business models that P2P has been pushing for all that time, and, perhaps out of desperation, are talking about offering legal P2P delivery. This might be with hybrid services, where low quality or incomplete tracks are free, and the full version is paid for, something that was suggested three years ago, but which has taken years to be tried, due to prejudice and only then because of the failure of the legal system to close down P2P networks.

Also, for the most part, film has always had encryption protection and it is possible to protect film throughout its conventional distribution process and the early part of its earning lifecycle.

It’s true that motion pictures have emerged on P2P networks ‘before’ they have made it into the cinema, and that once a single copy is out there, it gets copied many times over and within days becomes easily available. But this is because there has been insufficient protection during the editing and promotional phase of a film’s life and that can be fixed.

There have been successful attempts at stopping this from happening, and gradually ‘best practice’ in basic DRM and watermarking means that it gets harder to steal a digital copy and if it is stolen early on in a film’s economic life, it is easier to trace who leaked it.

Films are mostly distributed in non-digital, tape format to cinemas and this is likely to be true for some time, despite the advent of digital cinema. There are few, except the most well organized pirates that can take a tape copy and produce a digital work, but none at all that we know of that can take out the watermarking that would identify which copy was stolen in the first place.

It would be naïve to suggest that it is difficult to break the DSS (DVD Scrambling System) that has been used universally to encrypt DVDs, if only because the DeCSS code can still today be downloaded from web sites which are situated in countries that have not yet currently enacted the World Copyright Treaty.

That treaty is the agreement by which 179 countries have said they will enact a piece of legislation based on the US Digital Millenium Copyright Act, including the elements that make it illegal to break encryption or copy protection, even if no breach of copyright is intended.

This is a controversial component of the agreement, but it has been enacted in half of Europe and will be law in most countries within 2 more years. It gets harder to post code that explains how to breach encryption keys, and with that, the leaks will fall to fewer and fewer individuals that are committed to piracy. That means that the net will tighten initially on individual countries, then later on individuals, and there is the potential to strangle film piracy over the next few years.

In music, fear that CD’s will not play in cars and on other mobile CD players, has meant that many of the record companies have eschewed copy protection and that has meant that copying a CD is as easy as point and click, with no law being broken until the files are posted on the internet.

The other thing that makes it quite easy to stop films being copied on the P2P networks, is that the experience can be so easily degraded. It takes anywhere up to 10 hours to download a film from a P2P system. New systems are coming online that can cut this to about a third of the time.

But if at the end of even three hours, followed by an hour of watching the blockbuster movie, a pirate finds that instead of the ending, he or she is left with a message saying that this is a pirated copy of the film, and that they have broken the law and that if they want to watch the film, why not pay $3 to Blockbuster instead of breaking the law, or better still go buy the DVD.

That way the pirate has invested a lot of time, and may even repeat the experience and find that after ten hours of effort he or she still cannot enjoy the fruits of their piracy.

The systems that exist for putting up dummy files are now established and seen to be working, and yet the film file downloading business is barely out of its infancy. The music industry had to protect songs that were easier to download, and where the investment in finding out if they were the genuine article was only 4 or 5 minutes.

They can repeat the dummy file download many times until they get a genuine copy. For a film this might take a month of Sundays and there is still no guarantee that they will ever get the correct file.

There is also the whole issue of just how few file sharers have enough equipment to offer many film downloads, and how few downloaders are prepared to take up much of what might be wasted time. Films will need to be on a big server to hold multiple films in the first place and that limits the number of people that will do it. If there are less people doing it, it is easier to sue them into stopping.

It is also important that the film industry is not threatened at the same point in the economic cycle in film as is the case for music. Music is threatened the moment it is put on the market fro first revenues. Films for the most part should be able to stave off leaks during the cinematic phase of their operation, and then only begin to encounter them once it has earned something close to half of its expected revenue in the pay per view and DVD part of the exploitation cycle.

It has also learned from music piracy that it can offer DVDs with two versions of a film, one that CAN be read on a PC and once that can’t, which includes all the special features that go with a production these days, such as alternative endings and the like. In this way the pirated version may only end up being a promotion for the better experience of the DVD.

We know from surveys that music pirates are the same people that buy CDs. So it’s not an alternative to buying music, so much as a way of sampling the music, for most people. And the same can be said of moviegoers.

People that go to the cinema, also buy DVDs and will be the same people that are interested in downloading files. If the film industry embraces the P2P networks quickly, with some innovation, then they are in pole position to take more money from their films, not less.

Many films on the P2P networks are not even in their pay per view cycle and the broadcast flag, preventing broadcast films that are from being stored with consumer electronic equipment, will improve this further. The result will be P2P networks which are mostly restricted to films that are in their broadcast cycle, a period when less than 10% of total revenue is left for the film to attract.

And finally the music business has set up the legal challenge for suing file sharers anonymously and applying to the courts for the names of the filesharers which have deliberately been flaunting the copyright laws. So the film industry has a ready made framework for legal action, which it is now, finally, embracing.

However we would like to offer a word of caution. Right now there are NO services like iTunes that are available for films. iTunes has a strict philosophy whereby content ownership is guaranteed. You do not ‘rent’ a music track, but pay a license for it for life.

iTunes has made it possible for music fans to experience a system ‘like’ online piracy, but better, and the outcome is that a collection of music can be set up which can be moved from computer to computer for a lifetime as well as copied to CD.

Film rentals services like Movielink and CinemaNow in the US are very strict on viewing cycles, when they need to be relaxed on them, granting no more than 24 hours in which to view a film.

Services that allow the keeping of a film file, such as that launched last week by Akimbo, are really in their infancy. This is due to the backward nature of the film businesses attitude to legal film downloading.

Either allowing a film to be viewed as many times as a customer likes while it is on a piece of DVR storage, or allowing the permanent burning of DVDs from such a file, just HAVE to be allowed (for the appropriate price), along with the ease of use features of iTunes, before piracy will be totally stopped in its tracks.

The studios must not mistakenly think that the online services are the same as iTunes, they are inferior ways of operating, devised almost entirely to keep other existing outlets, such as Cinema groups, happy.

In the end, film will be offered via an online film store, for permanent ownership, running under a library application with online search and online programming guide functions, from the first day they hit the market. As the cinema continues to decline as the biggest revenue stream for films, DVD will be confirmed as the big money engine, and it will be that much bigger if the studios can bypass the retail payout and offer films online for burning, giving a new meaning to the expression, ‘going straight to DVD.’

Peter White – Faultline, UK

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8 Responses to “Movies and Music”

  1. Reader's Write Says:

    I think we should declare next weekend “A Weekend Without Movies”. Maybe then MPAA will realise that their attack on consumers, most of whom probably are big movie goers and DVD-buyers and occasional movie-downloaders, will lead to wide spread dislike of the industry. I for one am not going to see anything this weekend and possibly for many many weekends to come. It is sad when cosumers are terrorised and attacked by any organization.

  2. Reader's Write Says:

    All my life, since about 5, i’ve been buying media. Lp’s, then tapes, then cd’s, and now dvd’s. Even picked up a few 8-track’s along the way. The legal controversy surrounding p2p concerns me, but doesn’t worry me too much.. I’m not a lawyer, I don’t study national or global economics.. So I don’t know too much about what’s right and what’s wrong as far as the distribution goes.. But I do know that I have payed a lot of money, a LIFETIME of money, on media, cable bills, internet service, etc. And for the most part, I’ve got nothing to show for it. Tapes were lost, records scratched, cd’s warped in the sun..

    For the last year I’ve used p2p services to replace some of what I’ve lost, and truth be told, I’ve added a few things I didn’t have before. But I doubt very highly that I’ve downloaded much that I haven’t payed for, or am still paying for through my cable service. I have over 600 hours of cartoons and movies that I (legally, to my knowledge) taped off of cable. I’ve spent a lot of money on cd’s to get one or two songs, spent a lot of money on unpreviewed computer games that turned out not to be all the critics said they were.

    I’m all for legal p2p; I view my past downloads as legal, although I’m sure the RIAA/MPAA would disagree, since I don’t have all the reciepts saved since I was 5..

    But having spent $50 for that box set of Disney’s Fantasia, having shelled out $15 for god knows how many cd’s and tapes that were listened to once and tossed out, I have no sympathy for Big Music or Big Movies. Sue people, alienate them, then blame them for all your problems when you realise there are actually more people than there can be lawsuits? More people than we can stick in prison? Great tactic guys. Why not hire the A-Team to raid my grandma’s house next time she downloads a Sandy Patty mp3.. Seriously. Now THAT would teach her a lesson about her role in piracy!

    This reminds me of the legalising-drugs issues of the ’70s. One of the big arguements was that the usa was criminalizing what could only honestly be seen as normal teen/adult behavior: the desire to smoke a joint and relax. In effect, it was creating a nation of young adults with police records; records which probably still haunt some of them. Now we’re threatening to charge 13 year olds w/copyright infringement? Pressuring Canada to erase their basic freedoms and stoop down to our neandertal/bully-on-the-playground level?

    We let our country screw us out of our basic rights; I don’t know why we put up with it, but we do..

    Maybe we’re all just so sick of people protesting every little damn thing (fur, the war, etc.) that we can no longer differentiate between a worthy cause and a bunch of misinformed psuedo-anarchists sadly failing to make a point.

    Maybe this problem is bigger than Business. Maybe we need to stop fighting the end result of the problem, and focus on the source; our government. Maybe we need a new way of electing people, maybe we need to get rid of the whole state v. nation concept so we’d finally have 1 (ONE) clear set of laws that people could understand, without having such wild varieties of laws that Medical Marijunana being tolerated in California, but not for my cancer-ridden Uncle Bob in Virginia.

    Don’t get me wront, I’m not a political activist.. but if we can’t even nail down such simple things as uniform basic health care, how in the holy hell are we supposed to tackle an issue with as many different ramifications as p2p?? It affects so many different industries, and some in multiple ways (such as sony, which both sues for file sharing and sells the blank cd’s to pirates and non-pirates alike) that there cannot be, in my opinion, a fair decision under our present legal system.

    If the good guys win on this one, I think it’s going to be one of those last second hail-mary passes.. if not, if the courts actually stand their ground and put “liberty and the pursuit of happiness” first and money second, then this country deserves a lot more than I currently give it credit for.

    I seriously hope it’s the latter.

    (Feel free to use this as a story, I didn’t submit it as one as I’m the layman, not the expert lol, and I don’t pretend to know any better than the next person..)

  3. Reader's Write Says:

    I spent almost an hour writing this only to see it posted as “anonymous coward”.

    To quote the site: “You’re posting as Anonymous. Log in to post as yourself.” Anonymous and Anonymous coward.. that’s not really the same thing.

    Thanx for taking the time to offend me, it really made it worth the effort of trying to add something to the site, which I won’t make the mistake of doing again, nor am I going to register, which I had previously planned on.

    Anonymous Coward indeed. What tripe.

  4. Reader's Write Says:

    ‘Anonymous Coward’ isn’t meant as a serious ‘remark’. It’s a kind of default for non-registered posters entered by the person who set the comments section up. slashdot has the same, as do a lot of other sites.

    You only see *Anonymous Coward* before you post. When your comment is actually online, the world (and you) sees it as a Reader’s Write.

    Cheers!

  5. Reader's Write Says:

    Um, well I’ll say this. On my old 3mb/384 dsl line, I was able to get 700mb linux iso’s in about 45 minutes through multisourceing in p2p hubs…… and nearly always less than 2 hours, even on hard to find ports, back when I was on a 1.5/256 line.

    I’m proud of my linux iso (freeware) collection. Point being though, that movies are roughly the same size unless people are sharing vob files – perhaps then it would be 10 hours but I dont know as I’ve never tied downloading anything that big.

    Oh, and as for itunes……. I lost the drm-infected music that I got (for free because of the pepsi caps I had lol)…. I guess I’d have to buy them again in order to have them now…. its a flawed concept if thats the case, they need to hold a database on which files I’ve pulled and if I lose them it should let me have them back….. or is every person guilty of piracy even when they had a corrupt hard drive and had to fdisk/format/reinstall…… *sighs*

    _-Jile-_

  6. Reader's Write Says:

    Janet,

    I need my Big Boss MANAGER, and Excuse me,….. You Are My Manager Over all of these songs and our ALBUMS. (NOT THE NEXT THREE MADE FOR FIFTY and SLIM) (Or that one for Outkast)
    I am not on no game playing with You

  7. Reader's Write Says:

    I am all on your side and I am in Janets corner to the best of my uninformed ability well enough to give you my new phone number so when you call me I can contrubute to the best of my being a starving artist that is behind scedule with the majority of my arangements, I will try my best with the telephone banking network that is available to me. I would have my cashstation card today if it wasn’t lost or stolen out of the mail that I never received.

  8. Reader's Write Says:

    this is Fetty AND YOU CAN FIND ME AT SEVEN, SEVEN, THREE,THREE, ONE, ZERO, SEVEN, SEVEN,ZERO, SIX,……

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