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	<title>Comments on: Featured Artists Coalition: tuning in to a2f2a</title>
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		<title>By: Cynix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That same exact post allegedly by &quot;Arnoud Engelfriet&quot; was posted in comments on The Inquirer under the title &quot;Keep it real (honest)&quot; and then denied a couple of posts later with &quot;That comment above isn&#039;t mine&quot;.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/comment/1559648/dutch-court-pirate-bay-delete-torrents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That same exact post allegedly by &#8220;Arnoud Engelfriet&#8221; was posted in comments on The Inquirer under the title &#8220;Keep it real (honest)&#8221; and then denied a couple of posts later with &#8220;That comment above isn&#8217;t mine&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/comment/1559648/dutch-court-pirate-bay-delete-torrents" rel="nofollow">http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/comment/1559648/dutch-court-pirate-bay-delete-torrents</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arnoud Engelfriet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arnoud Engelfriet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all

The Court of Amsterdam has received a letter from Reservella, supposedly the owner of the website ThePiratebay.org according to the founders.

In it Reservella makes clear that Reservella does not own the site. This contradicts statements made by Piratebay founder Peter Sunde. The result was that the judge in Amsterdam did not believe the founders of The Pirate Bay anymore and now they have lost this particular battle.

I am an IT lawyer and involved in cases such as BREIN vs FTD. I call on all file sharers to resist to those forces that are trying to impose restrictions on file sharing services.

However, I also want to urge everybody to play this game fairly, otherwise the damage to our community will be even worse.

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

Regards,

A. Engelfriet
The Netherlands</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all</p>
<p>The Court of Amsterdam has received a letter from Reservella, supposedly the owner of the website ThePiratebay.org according to the founders.</p>
<p>In it Reservella makes clear that Reservella does not own the site. This contradicts statements made by Piratebay founder Peter Sunde. The result was that the judge in Amsterdam did not believe the founders of The Pirate Bay anymore and now they have lost this particular battle.</p>
<p>I am an IT lawyer and involved in cases such as BREIN vs FTD. I call on all file sharers to resist to those forces that are trying to impose restrictions on file sharing services.</p>
<p>However, I also want to urge everybody to play this game fairly, otherwise the damage to our community will be even worse.</p>
<p>Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>A. Engelfriet<br />
The Netherlands</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a few potential problems:
1) must be based on choice, otherwise it is no different from current model (no choice for fans, you MUST pay or be sued, and you must pay what you are told to)

2) must be understood not everyone will pay, many will sample first and decide later if they want to pay or not, but still some won&#039;t pay

3) monetary value assigned by artist and fans may differ, even amongst fans - this must be understood and must be part of the choice as explained by 1) -- otherwise you&#039;re just demanding and that isn&#039;t different from now, except more money goes to the artist

4) reason to buy should be understood and employed, if you&#039;re just going to demand to be paid for copies, then there&#039;s really no difference from now (except more money goes to artists), a paying fanbase won&#039;t grow unless you&#039;re willing to market with some sort of free offerings, if you can&#039;t do that you can&#039;t get too upset if the fanbase doesn&#039;t grow as no one wants to spend money to be disappointed, once they like what they hear/read/watch then they&#039;ll pay

5) in addition to 4) the understanding of infinite goods and finite goods should be clear, digital copies are infinite and easy to acquire and produce and distribute, so demanding money for copies doesn&#039;t deviate from the current situation and people won&#039;t deviate either (meaning they won&#039;t pay and people will feel the artists are simply taking over, holding the same stance as the labels currently do)

And finally

6) be open to trying new things and testing new waters, even if someone has been telling you &quot;you&#039;ll never make anything this way&quot; for the last 30 years, remember those people have vested interest keeping you under their thumbs

Just a few points I hope are understood by FAC members, but we have to LISTEN to one another, not just P2P listening but FAC members too, try to really understand these points above, not just read and go &quot;yeah that won&#039;t work.&quot; because people ARE making it work and you can too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a few potential problems:<br />
1) must be based on choice, otherwise it is no different from current model (no choice for fans, you MUST pay or be sued, and you must pay what you are told to)</p>
<p>2) must be understood not everyone will pay, many will sample first and decide later if they want to pay or not, but still some won&#8217;t pay</p>
<p>3) monetary value assigned by artist and fans may differ, even amongst fans &#8211; this must be understood and must be part of the choice as explained by 1) &#8212; otherwise you&#8217;re just demanding and that isn&#8217;t different from now, except more money goes to the artist</p>
<p>4) reason to buy should be understood and employed, if you&#8217;re just going to demand to be paid for copies, then there&#8217;s really no difference from now (except more money goes to artists), a paying fanbase won&#8217;t grow unless you&#8217;re willing to market with some sort of free offerings, if you can&#8217;t do that you can&#8217;t get too upset if the fanbase doesn&#8217;t grow as no one wants to spend money to be disappointed, once they like what they hear/read/watch then they&#8217;ll pay</p>
<p>5) in addition to 4) the understanding of infinite goods and finite goods should be clear, digital copies are infinite and easy to acquire and produce and distribute, so demanding money for copies doesn&#8217;t deviate from the current situation and people won&#8217;t deviate either (meaning they won&#8217;t pay and people will feel the artists are simply taking over, holding the same stance as the labels currently do)</p>
<p>And finally</p>
<p>6) be open to trying new things and testing new waters, even if someone has been telling you &#8220;you&#8217;ll never make anything this way&#8221; for the last 30 years, remember those people have vested interest keeping you under their thumbs</p>
<p>Just a few points I hope are understood by FAC members, but we have to LISTEN to one another, not just P2P listening but FAC members too, try to really understand these points above, not just read and go &#8220;yeah that won&#8217;t work.&#8221; because people ARE making it work and you can too!</p>
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