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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just passing along some important information to the good guys.

&quot;Silence about Vaccine Deaths in Media is Due to the Confidential Contracts with Vaccine Manufacturers&quot;

Please refer to this:
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/silence.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just passing along some important information to the good guys.</p>
<p>&#8220;Silence about Vaccine Deaths in Media is Due to the Confidential Contracts with Vaccine Manufacturers&#8221;</p>
<p>Please refer to this:<br />
<a href="http://www.whale.to/vaccine/silence.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.whale.to/vaccine/silence.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous by Advice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous by Advice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a regular reader here..
Who is the above Brian? A Pharm shill from that website scienceblogs where nobody gets named and they use scare tactics and ridicule and few facts. Shame.
http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2009/11/swine_flu_conspiracy_theories.php
âI&#039;m sure you can find immune system jumper cables somewhere on the internet. Order before midnight tonight and you might get a set of steak knives as a bonus.&quot;â
This is how low it all is - and for what?

I have been researching vaccines and the damage they cause.

If you get a vaccination, make sure it does not contain â even trace amounts:
-mercury (ethyl or methyl)
-aluminum hrdroxide
-sodium deoxychorate

Research on your own the exact version of the vaccine on line to see if it even contains &quot;trace amounts&quot; (which might not get mentioned) of mercury due to production process. Even trace amounts can cause brain damage. Weigh the risks very carefully.
There is mercury in Thimerosal, which was banned in 2003. 
They put in the H1N1 though! 
(Be careful â even the non-Thimerosal doses contain 10 times the mercury and thatâs what pregnant women are getting.)

The levels of toxicity reached when these chemicals are used together, (synergistic toxicity) or combined with something else that may be in your body at the time, can cause your blood-brain -barrier to be disrupted and the mercury goes straight to your brain, wreaking havoc. The resulting brain damage shows up as dementia, Alzheimerâs, MS, Autism, Aspergerâs Syndrome, Arthritis...all kinds of neurological diseases. 
A US vaccine court ruled in January that Hep B vaccine (mercury, aluminum) caused an MS type illness, which killed an adult woman.
www.uscfc.uscourts.gov

There is nothing to lose now for the drug companies - they have been granted immunity in Canada. Only Quebec and the US can one obtain compensation. There has already been a US lawsuit launched against the FDA for the swine flu.

Your GP who gives you a shot is only taking the word of the Public Health Association of Canada.
They claim it is safe because that is the spin they have been told. It is not safe.

There was a recall of 170,000 doses of H1N1 high-risk vaccine (GlaxoSmithKline Fluarix 2009-2010) in Manitoba on Nov.18th due to serious adverse reaction.

Here is a video by U of Calgary in 1999 âHow Mercury Causes Brain Damageâ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VImCpWzXJ_w

Say No to voluntary poisoning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a regular reader here..<br />
Who is the above Brian? A Pharm shill from that website scienceblogs where nobody gets named and they use scare tactics and ridicule and few facts. Shame.<br />
<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2009/11/swine_flu_conspiracy_theories.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2009/11/swine_flu_conspiracy_theories.php</a><br />
âI&#8217;m sure you can find immune system jumper cables somewhere on the internet. Order before midnight tonight and you might get a set of steak knives as a bonus.&#8221;â<br />
This is how low it all is &#8211; and for what?</p>
<p>I have been researching vaccines and the damage they cause.</p>
<p>If you get a vaccination, make sure it does not contain â even trace amounts:<br />
-mercury (ethyl or methyl)<br />
-aluminum hrdroxide<br />
-sodium deoxychorate</p>
<p>Research on your own the exact version of the vaccine on line to see if it even contains &#8220;trace amounts&#8221; (which might not get mentioned) of mercury due to production process. Even trace amounts can cause brain damage. Weigh the risks very carefully.<br />
There is mercury in Thimerosal, which was banned in 2003.<br />
They put in the H1N1 though!<br />
(Be careful â even the non-Thimerosal doses contain 10 times the mercury and thatâs what pregnant women are getting.)</p>
<p>The levels of toxicity reached when these chemicals are used together, (synergistic toxicity) or combined with something else that may be in your body at the time, can cause your blood-brain -barrier to be disrupted and the mercury goes straight to your brain, wreaking havoc. The resulting brain damage shows up as dementia, Alzheimerâs, MS, Autism, Aspergerâs Syndrome, Arthritis&#8230;all kinds of neurological diseases.<br />
A US vaccine court ruled in January that Hep B vaccine (mercury, aluminum) caused an MS type illness, which killed an adult woman.<br />
<a href="http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov</a></p>
<p>There is nothing to lose now for the drug companies &#8211; they have been granted immunity in Canada. Only Quebec and the US can one obtain compensation. There has already been a US lawsuit launched against the FDA for the swine flu.</p>
<p>Your GP who gives you a shot is only taking the word of the Public Health Association of Canada.<br />
They claim it is safe because that is the spin they have been told. It is not safe.</p>
<p>There was a recall of 170,000 doses of H1N1 high-risk vaccine (GlaxoSmithKline Fluarix 2009-2010) in Manitoba on Nov.18th due to serious adverse reaction.</p>
<p>Here is a video by U of Calgary in 1999 âHow Mercury Causes Brain Damageâ:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VImCpWzXJ_w" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VImCpWzXJ_w</a></p>
<p>Say No to voluntary poisoning.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/30112/comment-page-1#comment-989765</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The numbers are definitely worse than that now they say 22 million have it and 4000 dead:
http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2009/11/confusion_between_h1n1_and_swi.php

A great resource is United Healthcare&#039;s presentation on Swine flu. It discusses the symptoms, how to prevent it, and what to do if you have it: http://my.brainshark.com/2009-H1N1-Flu-Swine-Flu-Protecting-Yourself-and-Your-Family-666413744</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The numbers are definitely worse than that now they say 22 million have it and 4000 dead:<br />
<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2009/11/confusion_between_h1n1_and_swi.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2009/11/confusion_between_h1n1_and_swi.php</a></p>
<p>A great resource is United Healthcare&#8217;s presentation on Swine flu. It discusses the symptoms, how to prevent it, and what to do if you have it: <a href="http://my.brainshark.com/2009-H1N1-Flu-Swine-Flu-Protecting-Yourself-and-Your-Family-666413744" rel="nofollow">http://my.brainshark.com/2009-H1N1-Flu-Swine-Flu-Protecting-Yourself-and-Your-Family-666413744</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best-case scenario is that we are over-prepared and the outbreak is not serious. Plus, a million deaths (the number of attributable deaths during the &#039;Hong Kong flu&#039; in the 60s) is unacceptable in this day and age of global public health communication, advanced surveillance techniques, quarantine/isolation, and vaccination coverage programs. 

On a personal note, my wife is a Registered Nurse in an Emergency Department of an inner-city hospital and the large number of &quot;healthy&quot; 20-30 year-olds who have been coming in with severe flu-like symptoms (H1N1) and are needing intubation just to breathe is a bit alarming. Usually the flu is worst in older persons, but with H1N1 this isn&#039;t the case - it is hitting younger people harder. And the number of confirmed cases has been increasing for months now. The number of infections has not peaked anywhere yet.

Thank goodness the H1N1 looks right now like it will pass through the population without being any worse than the regular seasonal flu, but we should all be thankful that our public health agencies are being proactive for once instead of waiting until a potential problem gets out of hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best-case scenario is that we are over-prepared and the outbreak is not serious. Plus, a million deaths (the number of attributable deaths during the &#8216;Hong Kong flu&#8217; in the 60s) is unacceptable in this day and age of global public health communication, advanced surveillance techniques, quarantine/isolation, and vaccination coverage programs. </p>
<p>On a personal note, my wife is a Registered Nurse in an Emergency Department of an inner-city hospital and the large number of &#8220;healthy&#8221; 20-30 year-olds who have been coming in with severe flu-like symptoms (H1N1) and are needing intubation just to breathe is a bit alarming. Usually the flu is worst in older persons, but with H1N1 this isn&#8217;t the case &#8211; it is hitting younger people harder. And the number of confirmed cases has been increasing for months now. The number of infections has not peaked anywhere yet.</p>
<p>Thank goodness the H1N1 looks right now like it will pass through the population without being any worse than the regular seasonal flu, but we should all be thankful that our public health agencies are being proactive for once instead of waiting until a potential problem gets out of hand.</p>
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		<title>By: EE</title>
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		<dc:creator>EE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DA

Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species

These are the categories that we classify all life by.

Note that Genus is above species.

Note that all the flus that contributed to H1N1 are from the genus  Influenzavirus A.  Note that there is one species in the genus Influenzavirus A known as influenza A virus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza

So, all the viruses are from the same species.  The host species does not affect the virus species.  Just because many organisms can get an intestinal hook worm doesn&#039;t mean that a different species of hook worm is needed to infect every organism.

H1N1 is not a species.  It is a strain.  It was made from several different strains of the same species, influenza A virus.  

You seem to think that all flus are different species, they are not.  There are only 3 different species of flu, influenza A virus, influenza B virus, and influenza C virus.  These are from the genus&#039;  Influenzavirus A,  Influenzavirus B and  Influenzavirus C.  Each genus only has one species.  Each species has many different strains.

If you don&#039;t understand figure A-3 from the figure I provided that&#039;s fine, but I am not the one confused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DA</p>
<p>Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species</p>
<p>These are the categories that we classify all life by.</p>
<p>Note that Genus is above species.</p>
<p>Note that all the flus that contributed to H1N1 are from the genus  Influenzavirus A.  Note that there is one species in the genus Influenzavirus A known as influenza A virus.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza</a></p>
<p>So, all the viruses are from the same species.  The host species does not affect the virus species.  Just because many organisms can get an intestinal hook worm doesn&#8217;t mean that a different species of hook worm is needed to infect every organism.</p>
<p>H1N1 is not a species.  It is a strain.  It was made from several different strains of the same species, influenza A virus.  </p>
<p>You seem to think that all flus are different species, they are not.  There are only 3 different species of flu, influenza A virus, influenza B virus, and influenza C virus.  These are from the genus&#8217;  Influenzavirus A,  Influenzavirus B and  Influenzavirus C.  Each genus only has one species.  Each species has many different strains.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t understand figure A-3 from the figure I provided that&#8217;s fine, but I am not the one confused.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@EE:

&quot;When 2 different strains of Influenzavirus A invade the same cell, they mix on a genetic level...&quot;

Says who?
All scholarly reports I&#039;ve been able to dig up seem to state the opposite.
_________________

...&quot;This mixture of DNA can produce a new strain of flu, H1N1, in this case. &quot;

You&#039;re still confusing &quot;strain&quot; with &quot;genus&quot;.
&quot;Strain&quot; is a variant within the same genus (Ford Taurus vs Mercury Sable - both are &quot;Ford&quot;).

&quot;Genus&quot; is where I&#039;ve been going all along.
&quot;Pig&quot; DNA, for example, doesn&#039;t just naturally marry up with &quot;human&quot; or &quot;bird&quot; DNA.
I&#039;ve been looking for proof that this can happen, but so far, have only found documentation to the contrary.  Only lab-induced examples were offered.

In your example, the &quot;new strain&quot; that would result is part of the antigenetic process, described in your link, that allows the virus to transmit to a different species.  That is not a new &quot;genetic&quot; creation, but simply another &quot;model&quot;.  Infection is not necessarily hampered by species, but the species doesn&#039;t just transform to another species because of infection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@EE:</p>
<p>&#8220;When 2 different strains of Influenzavirus A invade the same cell, they mix on a genetic level&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Says who?<br />
All scholarly reports I&#8217;ve been able to dig up seem to state the opposite.<br />
_________________</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8221;This mixture of DNA can produce a new strain of flu, H1N1, in this case. &#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re still confusing &#8220;strain&#8221; with &#8220;genus&#8221;.<br />
&#8220;Strain&#8221; is a variant within the same genus (Ford Taurus vs Mercury Sable &#8211; both are &#8220;Ford&#8221;).</p>
<p>&#8220;Genus&#8221; is where I&#8217;ve been going all along.<br />
&#8220;Pig&#8221; DNA, for example, doesn&#8217;t just naturally marry up with &#8220;human&#8221; or &#8220;bird&#8221; DNA.<br />
I&#8217;ve been looking for proof that this can happen, but so far, have only found documentation to the contrary.  Only lab-induced examples were offered.</p>
<p>In your example, the &#8220;new strain&#8221; that would result is part of the antigenetic process, described in your link, that allows the virus to transmit to a different species.  That is not a new &#8220;genetic&#8221; creation, but simply another &#8220;model&#8221;.  Infection is not necessarily hampered by species, but the species doesn&#8217;t just transform to another species because of infection.</p>
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		<title>By: Just my two cents</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just my two cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, in most civilized countries, the swine flu is not that dangerous. Our two children came down with it 2 weeks ago, and had a couple days of high fever, heavy sweating, and nausea, and they are both over it after 5 days of moaning that they &quot;feel bad&quot;.  

The only problem is in the cases where very young children or children with a weak immune system gets hit, and they can&#039;t cope with the fever.

Bye the way, both my wife and myself (while suffering lack of sleep) did not catch it.

All you need, is a lot of sleep, and a lot of liquids and fruit, and you&#039;ll be okay.

Just my two cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, in most civilized countries, the swine flu is not that dangerous. Our two children came down with it 2 weeks ago, and had a couple days of high fever, heavy sweating, and nausea, and they are both over it after 5 days of moaning that they &#8220;feel bad&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The only problem is in the cases where very young children or children with a weak immune system gets hit, and they can&#8217;t cope with the fever.</p>
<p>Bye the way, both my wife and myself (while suffering lack of sleep) did not catch it.</p>
<p>All you need, is a lot of sleep, and a lot of liquids and fruit, and you&#8217;ll be okay.</p>
<p>Just my two cents</p>
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		<title>By: EE</title>
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		<dc:creator>EE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the influenza&#039;s that donated genetic material are of the same species,  Influenzavirus A.

When 2 different strains of Influenzavirus A invade the same cell, they mix on a genetic level.  This mixture of DNA can produce a new strain of flu, H1N1, in this case.  

It&#039;s not common for all the different types of flu to come together in nature, but it is far from impossible.  In this case, the role humans played in its creation was most likely putting all the species on a farm together, not maintaining proper separation, and poor animal/human hygiene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the influenza&#8217;s that donated genetic material are of the same species,  Influenzavirus A.</p>
<p>When 2 different strains of Influenzavirus A invade the same cell, they mix on a genetic level.  This mixture of DNA can produce a new strain of flu, H1N1, in this case.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not common for all the different types of flu to come together in nature, but it is far from impossible.  In this case, the role humans played in its creation was most likely putting all the species on a farm together, not maintaining proper separation, and poor animal/human hygiene.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/30112/comment-page-1#comment-987541</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@EE:

I understand what a &quot;strain&quot; is.
It is NOT a genetic mutation from that of one species to that from another one or any combination of more than one species.

&quot;Strains&quot; are basically variants of the same species (generally containing similar DNA code).
&quot;Mutation&quot; is a process that produces another strain.
&quot;Antigenetic Shift&quot; is a reaction (only where possible) of a strain to a specific genetic barrier in the target organism, whereby the strain is caused to mutate in order to carry out its attack, sometimes resulting in another strain.

None of this has anything to do with mixing at the genetic level.
&quot;Species&quot; refers to genetic code.  The more unique a species is, the more unlikely any variant of virus related to it could share its DNA with it.  NOTE: That doesn&#039;t stop it from infecting another species - it just makes it impossible to a certain degree to fuse its DNA and create a virus from a different species.

Clear as mud, isn&#039;t it?
8\</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@EE:</p>
<p>I understand what a &#8220;strain&#8221; is.<br />
It is NOT a genetic mutation from that of one species to that from another one or any combination of more than one species.</p>
<p>&#8220;Strains&#8221; are basically variants of the same species (generally containing similar DNA code).<br />
&#8220;Mutation&#8221; is a process that produces another strain.<br />
&#8220;Antigenetic Shift&#8221; is a reaction (only where possible) of a strain to a specific genetic barrier in the target organism, whereby the strain is caused to mutate in order to carry out its attack, sometimes resulting in another strain.</p>
<p>None of this has anything to do with mixing at the genetic level.<br />
&#8220;Species&#8221; refers to genetic code.  The more unique a species is, the more unlikely any variant of virus related to it could share its DNA with it.  NOTE: That doesn&#8217;t stop it from infecting another species &#8211; it just makes it impossible to a certain degree to fuse its DNA and create a virus from a different species.</p>
<p>Clear as mud, isn&#8217;t it?<br />
8\</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can&#039;t the plural of virus be virii? So what if certain people who call themselves authorities think they can tell us how to pluralize a word!

It&#039;s OUR language and we&#039;ll use it the way we want.

Besides, if the word &quot;virus&quot; was invented in the 19th century instead of the 20th, the Latin plural for it would have become universal anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t the plural of virus be virii? So what if certain people who call themselves authorities think they can tell us how to pluralize a word!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s OUR language and we&#8217;ll use it the way we want.</p>
<p>Besides, if the word &#8220;virus&#8221; was invented in the 19th century instead of the 20th, the Latin plural for it would have become universal anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: EE</title>
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		<dc:creator>EE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DA

Check figure A-3.  

When viruses from 2 separate flu strains infect the same cell, the can mix to form a new strain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DA</p>
<p>Check figure A-3.  </p>
<p>When viruses from 2 separate flu strains infect the same cell, the can mix to form a new strain.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@EE:

&quot;Antigenetic Shift&quot; is simply a method of TRANSMISSION.
Yes!  Transmission occurs between species.

This has nothing to do with a virus having genetic properties of more than one different species.
It&#039;s this genetic cross-breeding I&#039;m referring to that simply doesn&#039;t occur naturally.
H1N1 is reported to contain DNA properties of 3 different species - Pig, Bird, and Human.

Genetic cross-breeding of viruses seems to only occur at the hand of Man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@EE:</p>
<p>&#8220;Antigenetic Shift&#8221; is simply a method of TRANSMISSION.<br />
Yes!  Transmission occurs between species.</p>
<p>This has nothing to do with a virus having genetic properties of more than one different species.<br />
It&#8217;s this genetic cross-breeding I&#8217;m referring to that simply doesn&#8217;t occur naturally.<br />
H1N1 is reported to contain DNA properties of 3 different species &#8211; Pig, Bird, and Human.</p>
<p>Genetic cross-breeding of viruses seems to only occur at the hand of Man.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also Robert, the plural of virus is viruses. I got nailed on that a long time back. :)

Cheers!</description>
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<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: EE</title>
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		<dc:creator>EE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Robert:

1) Yes, viruses do mutate.  They just don&#039;t CROSS-BREED naturally.
2) Ebola was also a manufactured virus.  (De-classified now. Google &quot;FBI&quot; + &quot;Ebola&quot; + &quot;Dr. Horowitz&quot;.)
______________________

@EE:

&quot;Swine flu got started in Mexico on farms...&quot;

I&#039;m perfectly aware of what story we were given.
I just don&#039;t buy it, since viruses don&#039;t cross-breed naturally, particularly the 3 involved here.
There&#039;s lots of material on this.  Example...

&quot;A Canadian doctor Dr. Ghislaine Lanctot has stated that the H1N1 virus was manufactured, as a deadly flu virus for which there has been very little investigated as to its origin or how 3 viruses could by natural means combine together to form a virus in a pig or a boy visiting Mexico. The doctor goes on to say this one billion dollar expense will benefit the drug manufacture more than people. Scientists have not investigated or provided any solid conclusions on how 3 viruses including one from:

- the 1918 Spanish Flu
- the avian flu virus
- the swine flu virus...&quot;

My question would be, why haven&#039;t we heard anything definitive about H1N1, either to do with symptoms or specific characteristics identified at the lab level, that is used to determine that someone actually has it??!  In other words, how does anyone know they&#039;re seeing a case of H1N1 versus a case of any other flu?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert:</p>
<p>1) Yes, viruses do mutate.  They just don&#8217;t CROSS-BREED naturally.<br />
2) Ebola was also a manufactured virus.  (De-classified now. Google &#8220;FBI&#8221; + &#8220;Ebola&#8221; + &#8220;Dr. Horowitz&#8221;.)<br />
______________________</p>
<p>@EE:</p>
<p>&#8220;Swine flu got started in Mexico on farms&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m perfectly aware of what story we were given.<br />
I just don&#8217;t buy it, since viruses don&#8217;t cross-breed naturally, particularly the 3 involved here.<br />
There&#8217;s lots of material on this.  Example&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;A Canadian doctor Dr. Ghislaine Lanctot has stated that the H1N1 virus was manufactured, as a deadly flu virus for which there has been very little investigated as to its origin or how 3 viruses could by natural means combine together to form a virus in a pig or a boy visiting Mexico. The doctor goes on to say this one billion dollar expense will benefit the drug manufacture more than people. Scientists have not investigated or provided any solid conclusions on how 3 viruses including one from:</p>
<p>- the 1918 Spanish Flu<br />
- the avian flu virus<br />
- the swine flu virus&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>My question would be, why haven&#8217;t we heard anything definitive about H1N1, either to do with symptoms or specific characteristics identified at the lab level, that is used to determine that someone actually has it??!  In other words, how does anyone know they&#8217;re seeing a case of H1N1 versus a case of any other flu?</p>
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		<title>By: EE</title>
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		<dc:creator>EE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DA

Swine flu got started in Mexico on farms where pigs, chickens, and humans are beside each other every day.  

@Jon
They have stopped testing people for H1N1.  There is no reliable, commercially available test.  The best one has a 50% error rate.  That is one reason the number of confirmed cases is so low.  I have been sick for months with what my doctor thinks could be H1N1 too...... it sucks

@Josh
H1N1 is worse for the young than normal flu.  A larger percentage of young people are dying from it than normal flus.</description>
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<p>Swine flu got started in Mexico on farms where pigs, chickens, and humans are beside each other every day.  </p>
<p>@Jon<br />
They have stopped testing people for H1N1.  There is no reliable, commercially available test.  The best one has a 50% error rate.  That is one reason the number of confirmed cases is so low.  I have been sick for months with what my doctor thinks could be H1N1 too&#8230;&#8230; it sucks</p>
<p>@Josh<br />
H1N1 is worse for the young than normal flu.  A larger percentage of young people are dying from it than normal flus.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its no more dangerous than normal flu... its actually been nicer to us then the normal flu, on a ratio of deaths/cases

Jon, consider yourself lucky. A buddy of mine was really sick last weekend, his mom took him to the doctor and he was diagnosed with H1N1, strep throat, pink eye, and mono...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its no more dangerous than normal flu&#8230; its actually been nicer to us then the normal flu, on a ratio of deaths/cases</p>
<p>Jon, consider yourself lucky. A buddy of mine was really sick last weekend, his mom took him to the doctor and he was diagnosed with H1N1, strep throat, pink eye, and mono&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DA:
Virii do mutate, maybe pharmaceuticals found out, saw the potential, created the stir/fear, established the &quot;need&quot; for their vaccine, but didn&#039;t actually do anything to harm anyone should that bite them in the backside later.

It&#039;s almost like MissionImpossible 2, less Cruise and his long hair, and less the manufactured (I suspect it was a natural mutation just to keep my anxiety down) virii.

If I were a pharma, I would find any and all virii and work on prototypes depending on the risk factor should such a virus get loose.  Clearly H1N1 is very contagious which makes it a worthwhile investment.  Ebola on the other hand, is so destructive and works so quickly it&#039;s not worth investing in a cure without an actual outbreak.

Just my two cents, and I am not saying your suspicions are wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DA:<br />
Virii do mutate, maybe pharmaceuticals found out, saw the potential, created the stir/fear, established the &#8220;need&#8221; for their vaccine, but didn&#8217;t actually do anything to harm anyone should that bite them in the backside later.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s almost like MissionImpossible 2, less Cruise and his long hair, and less the manufactured (I suspect it was a natural mutation just to keep my anxiety down) virii.</p>
<p>If I were a pharma, I would find any and all virii and work on prototypes depending on the risk factor should such a virus get loose.  Clearly H1N1 is very contagious which makes it a worthwhile investment.  Ebola on the other hand, is so destructive and works so quickly it&#8217;s not worth investing in a cure without an actual outbreak.</p>
<p>Just my two cents, and I am not saying your suspicions are wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess if you wanted to figure out if you&#039;re actually at risk of having this virus, you&#039;d have to ask yourself things like:
1) Have you traveled?  Or have others traveled to where you are?
2) Have you been in contact with others that have a high risk of having contacted it?
3) Do you make a siginificant amount of contact with the public environment?
4) What are the odds of getting it in the worst scenario?
etc.

Is the threat real?  Is the virus real?  Is there really a pandemic?
All of these are questionable.  But, I am certain of 2 things here...

- H1N1 is not of natural creation.
Human viruses, swine viruses and bird viruses do not just start interbreeding.
When such a thing occurs, it has to be engineered in a lab.

- Someone wanted either the virus or the threat of it created, or both.
Since it had to be manufactured in a lab, its existence would be proof that it was.
Could it have been released &quot;by accident&quot;?  Sure, but that doesn&#039;t take away the fact that someone DID manufacture it.  Personally, I think it&#039;s very unlikely, considering the protocols involved.  &quot;Incompetence&quot; just seems to be the fasionable excuse of the century on all serious events, anyway.  (Boy crying &quot;Wolf!&quot;)?  Remember a little while back, Baxter &quot;accidentally&quot; shipped H1N1 prototype vaccines to 18 countries that were found to contain the Avian Flu virus instead.  (Some &quot;accident&quot;!)

If it wasn&#039;t created, then the threat alone has been manufactured.  Why?
The only possible reason would be to cause mass numbers to start begging for a vaccine.
That makes me extremely suspicious of what would be in such a vaccine.
It certainly wouldn&#039;t be the first time.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess if you wanted to figure out if you&#8217;re actually at risk of having this virus, you&#8217;d have to ask yourself things like:<br />
1) Have you traveled?  Or have others traveled to where you are?<br />
2) Have you been in contact with others that have a high risk of having contacted it?<br />
3) Do you make a siginificant amount of contact with the public environment?<br />
4) What are the odds of getting it in the worst scenario?<br />
etc.</p>
<p>Is the threat real?  Is the virus real?  Is there really a pandemic?<br />
All of these are questionable.  But, I am certain of 2 things here&#8230;</p>
<p>- H1N1 is not of natural creation.<br />
Human viruses, swine viruses and bird viruses do not just start interbreeding.<br />
When such a thing occurs, it has to be engineered in a lab.</p>
<p>- Someone wanted either the virus or the threat of it created, or both.<br />
Since it had to be manufactured in a lab, its existence would be proof that it was.<br />
Could it have been released &#8220;by accident&#8221;?  Sure, but that doesn&#8217;t take away the fact that someone DID manufacture it.  Personally, I think it&#8217;s very unlikely, considering the protocols involved.  &#8220;Incompetence&#8221; just seems to be the fasionable excuse of the century on all serious events, anyway.  (Boy crying &#8220;Wolf!&#8221;)?  Remember a little while back, Baxter &#8220;accidentally&#8221; shipped H1N1 prototype vaccines to 18 countries that were found to contain the Avian Flu virus instead.  (Some &#8220;accident&#8221;!)</p>
<p>If it wasn&#8217;t created, then the threat alone has been manufactured.  Why?<br />
The only possible reason would be to cause mass numbers to start begging for a vaccine.<br />
That makes me extremely suspicious of what would be in such a vaccine.<br />
It certainly wouldn&#8217;t be the first time&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/30112/comment-page-1#comment-987487</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take two &quot;anvil&#039;s&quot; and dont call me in the morning !!!</description>
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