Indiana Gregg: ‘Artists want to be heard’
p2pnet news view | P2P | Music:- “In the face of massive consumer [read voters] outrage and objections not only from ISPs, but also from police and intelligence services, British politicians say they’re nonetheless determined to turn the corporate entertainment Three Strikes bidniz plan into UK law,” I said in p2pnet yesterday.
“The plan would have the UK government working as a taxpayer-funded Hollywood and Big Music enforcement agency with ISPs as online copyright police, acting against their own customers.”
I also ran the post in a2f2a.com, the new artists-to-fans-to-artists site recently started by UK singer-activist Billy Bragg and myself.
The name Indiana Gregg won’t be unfamiliar to p2pnet readers. An American singer, she hit the headlines in a big way, last year, when her UK representative, Ian Morrow at Britain’s Gr8pop Ltd, took on The Pirate Bay.
She’s also one of the performing artists who’ve signed up to a2f2a.com, whose goal is to help musicians and fans better understand each other; help find a practical and workable system which offers artists fair remuneration in exchange for access to material by fans; and help set the agenda for discussions about the role P2P can play within the emergent digital record industry.
Under the a2f2a.com post on the UK anti-P2P disaster, “It would be nice to see some of these other artists come into it,” said Devil’s Advocate in a comment, adding “Not only would we be getting more input from some fresh voices, but it would take some of the pressure off Billy, who seems to be handling almost every needed ‘artist’ viewpoint right now.”
Says Indiana in a response, “you know @DevilsAvocate, it’s obvious why artists are having difficulty making statements,” going on »»»
In a utopia, everyone would state their opinion and people would rationally evalutate the pros and cons of each person’s arguments. No agendas, no contracts looming over their heads. In reality, artists share their opinions through their art. Through their music, their lyrics, their ‘actions’. In today’s world, not to state the rather obvious, ‘artists’ or at least popular artists are subject to the scrutiny of the press. There is a machine behind it of course. Popular people sell popular stories. Which sells news and well, gossip is somehow a cornerstone of society these days.
So, artists, what do they really think? Does anyone really think they are chasing rainbows?
In my somewhat limited opinion … and I must confess, it is more than likely a somewhat skewed view,which takes into consideration a definition of ‘artist’ that I have personally made a decision to define. It is not something that a public votes for simply for the sake of aspiritional subjects who regard ’success’ as the ultimate indication of what is deemed either cultural or significant (because the artists that I talk to on a regular basis create out of pure love for their craft and a social responsibilty. Not only do they really truly love music, they actually care about other artists and the world in general be it their perspectives on politics, influencing behaviour, the power of creativity and the healing that manifests itself through art, etc.)
So, my opinion may not represent the general public’s opinion about what true artists might think. However, all the artists I’ve spoken to agree on a very definite level. They require some support financially. They give. People take. I know it’s all fun to say that artists are never truely recognized until they are dead. You know, Picasso did shoot that theory down. But, I digress. Let’s put it simply. No artist wants to recognize this statement from Mandelson. I admire that he recognizes the lack of fans who are willing to pay for music. I believe that a forum like this one could reach parliament. I admire Billy Bragg and also Jon Newton’s willingness to create a forum for this issue.
Well, I’ve seriously digressed. For @DevilsAdvocate. Most artists aren’t willing to risk alienating their fanbase for their opinions. Artists want to be heard. this happens on so many levels. If you are an artist, you will understand. Let’s be very honest, you don’t go into music because you think you’re going to solve global warming, change the world, or solve world hunger. You go into music out of LOVE. That’s it.
I really shouldn’t participate in my first forum and write a huge essay. But, this is exactly what is needed. There really does need to be a bridge to cross this divide between the musicians who have also been put into that ‘riaa box’ and the p2p (which really means anyone who uses facebook, youtube, pirate bay or whatever).
“I have my ideas and opinions,” says Indiana, adding:
“In the meanwhile, I have been privy to hear what the other players plan. Unfortunately, it’s not what most internauts want to hear. As I’ve said before, I don’t think it’s fair, but, it’s bound to happen. It’s only forums like this one [a2f2a] that could potentially create a market driven change. So, MOVE.
”
Stay tuned.
(I hope you don’t mind me quoting your post here in p2pnet, Indiana.)
Jon Newton – p2pnet
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win ~ Mahatma Gandhi
p2pnet – UK to adopt corporate 3 Strikes plan, October 28, 2009
a2f2a.com - UK wants corporate 3 Strikes plan, October 28, 2009
took on The Pirate Bay – Indiana Gregg versus The Pirate Bay, July 5, 2008
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October 29th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Indiana, could you comment your piece about Internet passports and Internet police?
Because the Kaspersky guy is now into it.
October 30th, 2009 at 5:43 am
Internet police, internet passports, etc are all part of the game plan for the future. Only an idiot would refuse to recognise it. The funny thing is, some people don’t believe how completely pheasible it is and must remember that the internet was a US military communications system with servers on bases and Universities before it ‘went public’. The internet ‘going public’ was always part of a bigger plan. Kaspersky knows that ‘redesigns’ have already been developed. It’s not about p2p. It’s about serious crime, and also control.
October 30th, 2009 at 7:41 am
RT @FreelanceTalk A discussion with Indiana Gregg – Setting the record straight. http://bit.ly/4jzmxh #DesignTalk
November 3rd, 2009 at 12:10 am
Although I respect Jon a lot, and regularly come to p2pnet for a news shot… and have had the good fortune to write some pieces on p2pnet,
I must say I am surprised by this… and not in a good way.
I’ll just say this:
Indiana Gregg knows as much about the internet, current technology etc as I know about inventing the next zero polluting automotive fuel.
(I just hope the internet police don’t arrest me for this one)
November 6th, 2009 at 6:39 am
Very lame. She and Kaspersky have some history in the internet security world. I heard her on the BBC a few weeks ago on a panel again. I’m sure you know nothing about the next zero polluting automotive fuel though
November 6th, 2009 at 11:02 am
@reader’s write above from the design talk page. The original link is from the openbytes blog. Interesting read and comments there. openbytes.wordpress.com/…/a-discussion-with-indiana-gregg-setting-the- record-straight/
@eZee.se-Mod Kaspersky has identified the internet passport issue here and it chimes in with Indiana’s rant concerning net anonymity. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10376569-83.html
November 6th, 2009 at 11:03 am
http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/a-discussion-with-indiana-gregg-setting-the-record-straight/
November 9th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Whoever this is impersonating my username above, you might think its funny, but its just cowardly.
Its pretty easy to differentiate my comments thanks to Jon, only he has the administrative privileges to grant certain usernames to be highlight-able (in blue because its a link) and linkable to a site, the way he has done with my username…
One of the main reasons (IMO) that someone would try to pose as another on a forum is because their argument is weak, or they are too cowardly to openly show who they are, or who they are affiliated to.
Many of you know me as Ryan, and you know i am affiliated to eZee.se as a mod there and you know our opinions on copyright, free speech, downloading, p2pnet as p2pnet has kindly let me write a few guest articles etc
its a pity others have to hide in the shadows or impersonate others to get any glimmer of credibility.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Hello Ryan. Thought I’d pay the forum you mentioned in your story over on my blog.
Ryan, you came to my site and tried (poorly) to cheapen my opinion of ISP licensing, whilst making an implication that I labeled filesharers evil…I really wish you had read properly and understood my views properly.
I have made a response to you there, but for your information (and any readers you think you may have) it was because I DONT BELIEVE THAT FILESHARERS should be criminalized that I suggested the ISP licensing as an idea/solution.
Whatever peoples views on P2P and copyrighted material are, you offered no alternative (just an attempt at a cheap insult to Ms Gregg) Ryan, take a look at my opinionated site, see that I have always been anti-piracy but infact was originally dubious of Ms Greggs expertise and POV. I then did what any reasonable person who wishes to make an informed decision does and that was talk to her. Contrary to the libelous remarks about her, she is intelligent, pleasant and reasonable. I think she has been very nice in that she hasn’t followed up on any of the obscene remarks to her, which in my opinion fall well within an offense under the Communications Act 2003 (Sec127(1)b)
You talk about credibility Ryan. Please don’t make me laugh. If you so strongly believe in your views, lets see you post a picture of yourself up on a blog and write about them.
We could have a long discussion on how free “free speech” should be, but after your cowardly “just passing through will not return” comment on my blog, I get the feeling you would run away from difficult questions.
One question I do wish to ask, what is it that Ms Gregg has done which is so wrong? Has she taken any filesharers to court? has she rounded up users of a private tracker and put them in the stocks? I think you will find that all she’s done is put her opinions on the net. Talk about free speech, after your attempt to cheapen her it seems the only free speech you want is that which agree’s with you.
Goblin
http://www.openbytes.wordpress.com