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		<title>By: Twilight</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the OECD includes business rates, not 100% sue though, but think so.

Also, you can&#039;t compare teksavvy, Ebox, Acanac, All wholesale, or  even Bell&#039;s DSL itself to the quality and quickness of cable, such as videotron. It isn&#039;t the same animal. You may as well compare an old Pontiac Acadian (DSL) to a new BMW M5 (videotron cable). (Those who tried both will know this. Those who haven&#039;t will believe whatever anyone tells them)

The only real cost savings (till this changes) is the cost of B/W, and depending on the package.

DSL in Canada (more specifically Ontario and Quebec) is pretty low quality stuff that&#039;s always on the fritz.

If you are looking to save money, or if your budget is only a certain limit, DSL would be the way to go (along with it&#039;s low speed and headaches from wholesalers)

All the problems can be viewed easily here:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/sympatdirect
and
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/teksavdirect

Those are lots of problems. Can&#039;t be denied with DSL.

You do not see this with cable at all.

It&#039;s all in what you can afford.

Then there are those paying for two DSL lines at +80$ or more to bond them in order to get a little close to cables speed. And cable is less expensive (B/W aside).

The only reason to be with DSL is cost of B/W, for those who use more than 100-gigs/month. It isn&#039;t speed. It isn&#039;t quality of service.

So don&#039;t compare apples and oranges, which is what you are doing.

BTW, I think both Teksavvy and Ebox have two different fights going on at the CRTC with Cable companies in regards to access and B/W costs. So even if the companies themselves are fighting Cable co&#039;s (presumabley to get cable access and to lower B/W costs) then I think they realize this as well.

CO based DSL is an ancient and dead technology. It&#039;s cheap quality and only roughly 50% of the user base get the speed they pay for (they even stated this themselves). If they win access via cabinet/CRTC to gain access to remotes, then only a small fraction of people will have access. There are limited ports. So eventually you end up in the same boat.

Cable is the better alternative and why it is worth fighting for, as they are doing.

I&#039;m not sure how much cable is with Ebox, but I know they are fighting. There are many anti-competitive situations they are in. Actually this should be a topic on the fight Ebox is going through against the Goliath. Also, the new Teksavvy competition filing by a Uni-prof kind of backs it up. Both are topic worthy. Both have a fight on their hands.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the OECD includes business rates, not 100% sue though, but think so.</p>
<p>Also, you can&#8217;t compare teksavvy, Ebox, Acanac, All wholesale, or  even Bell&#8217;s DSL itself to the quality and quickness of cable, such as videotron. It isn&#8217;t the same animal. You may as well compare an old Pontiac Acadian (DSL) to a new BMW M5 (videotron cable). (Those who tried both will know this. Those who haven&#8217;t will believe whatever anyone tells them)</p>
<p>The only real cost savings (till this changes) is the cost of B/W, and depending on the package.</p>
<p>DSL in Canada (more specifically Ontario and Quebec) is pretty low quality stuff that&#8217;s always on the fritz.</p>
<p>If you are looking to save money, or if your budget is only a certain limit, DSL would be the way to go (along with it&#8217;s low speed and headaches from wholesalers)</p>
<p>All the problems can be viewed easily here:<br />
<a href="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/sympatdirect" rel="nofollow">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/sympatdirect</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/teksavdirect" rel="nofollow">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/teksavdirect</a></p>
<p>Those are lots of problems. Can&#8217;t be denied with DSL.</p>
<p>You do not see this with cable at all.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all in what you can afford.</p>
<p>Then there are those paying for two DSL lines at +80$ or more to bond them in order to get a little close to cables speed. And cable is less expensive (B/W aside).</p>
<p>The only reason to be with DSL is cost of B/W, for those who use more than 100-gigs/month. It isn&#8217;t speed. It isn&#8217;t quality of service.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t compare apples and oranges, which is what you are doing.</p>
<p>BTW, I think both Teksavvy and Ebox have two different fights going on at the CRTC with Cable companies in regards to access and B/W costs. So even if the companies themselves are fighting Cable co&#8217;s (presumabley to get cable access and to lower B/W costs) then I think they realize this as well.</p>
<p>CO based DSL is an ancient and dead technology. It&#8217;s cheap quality and only roughly 50% of the user base get the speed they pay for (they even stated this themselves). If they win access via cabinet/CRTC to gain access to remotes, then only a small fraction of people will have access. There are limited ports. So eventually you end up in the same boat.</p>
<p>Cable is the better alternative and why it is worth fighting for, as they are doing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how much cable is with Ebox, but I know they are fighting. There are many anti-competitive situations they are in. Actually this should be a topic on the fight Ebox is going through against the Goliath. Also, the new Teksavvy competition filing by a Uni-prof kind of backs it up. Both are topic worthy. Both have a fight on their hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/30552/comment-page-1#comment-988604</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is paying $87.32 per month when you can pay just 30$ per month or so with Teksavvy, whose ad is on the right? Or maybe it includes expensive cable like Videotron?

It&#039;s amazing that many, especially elderly, think that their choice is between Bell, Telus and Rogers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is paying $87.32 per month when you can pay just 30$ per month or so with Teksavvy, whose ad is on the right? Or maybe it includes expensive cable like Videotron?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing that many, especially elderly, think that their choice is between Bell, Telus and Rogers&#8230;</p>
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