Jailed after writing sex stories – for himself
p2pnet news view | Crime:- A man who authored porn for himself has been jailed for two weeks.
He had stories about “sex involving teen girls and incest he wrote himself and never tried to publish or share,” says the Ottawa Sun, going on, “Thomas, 43, pleaded guilty to one count of possessing child pornography. The 10 stories found on a computer hard drive are now sealed.”
He was charged “after police were contacted in December 2008 by employees of Future Shop — where he worked — regarding written material found on a demo computer,” says the story, going on, “His resume was in the same folder. Thomas admitted that he’d written some of the stories and also edited material he found on the Internet.
“[Judge Hugh] Fraser concluded the collection was small, involved teens and Thomas poses little risk to kids,” the Sun continues. “He went to the Royal Ottawa Hospital for help on his own. A psychiatrist did phallometric testing and found him to be a low risk to reoffend. He was even lower risk where ‘live children’ are concerned.”
Thomas, a Jehovah’s Witness, has been married for 16 years and still lives with his wife, “although she now wants ‘nothing to do with him’,” says the Ottawa Citizen,adding:
“In addition to the jail time, Thomas was sentenced to two years of probation, including conditions that he not have any unsupervised contact with females under the age of 18. He was also prohibited from accessing the Internet or possessing any phone or other device with built-in Internet capabilities.”
He was also ordered to provide a DNA sample to the national databank and added to the sex-offender registry.
Ottawa Sun – Man jailed over incest stories, October 30, 2009
Ottawa Citizen – Judge jails man who wrote porn stories involving children, October 29, 2009
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October 31st, 2009 at 2:20 pm
So you can actually go to jail for fantasies now days?
October 31st, 2009 at 2:33 pm
In Ontario Canada, it appears so, yes (even if you share it with no one but yourself).
Jailed, and a 10-years in a data-bank as an offender for writing your thoughts.
The thought police are now out and about in Ontario and will get you.
October 31st, 2009 at 3:43 pm
This shit is Orwellian thought-criminalizing no doubt about it.
October 31st, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Yep.
Should be challenged.
October 31st, 2009 at 5:27 pm
What if someone tells another person or group an erotic story involving sex with, say, a 17 year old – orally from memory – with nothing written down on a piece of paper. Would that person be violating the law as well? If so, then the state is very literally criminalising thought itself.
October 31st, 2009 at 5:30 pm
This is fucking bullshit! These child porn laws keep getting more ridiculous every day, and nobody challenges them out of fear of being labelled a pedophile supporter. If you solicit sex from underage kids, videotape them in sexually explicit situations and distribute the footage, then yes, you deserve the harshest sentence possible. But I’ve never understood the logic in prosecuting those who download said imagery for their own personal enjoyment while having no sexual contact with kids whatsoever. And according to the law, you’re just as guilty if you draw pictures or write erotic fiction. Laws are supposed to exist in order to protect people—in this case, kids—-but just how is anybody being harmed by letting someone write stories for their own personal enjoyment?
I seriously hope whoever writes these laws gets gang-raped (RCMP bust down my door as I type this for publishing rape fantasy online). What’s truly ridiculous about this whole situation is that if he’d changed the ages of the FICTIONAL CHARACTERS in question, nobody would judge him at all.
October 31st, 2009 at 6:25 pm
This reminds me of that episode of Law & order SVU where a 16 y/o girl goes to jail because she sent naked pics of her to her boyfriend.
October 31st, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Guys, you want to be disturbed? Go look up “phallometric testing”. Maybe soon they will require everyone to go through this, “for the children”.
We do indeed live in an ultra-PC nanny-state here in Ontario, no doubt about that. If you don’t conform to ‘normal’ gelded thinking patterns and are exposed as such, the retarded masses and their retarded judicial system want you filleted alive. It’s insane that someone can be banned from the internet for such nonsense.
October 31st, 2009 at 8:40 pm
…and banned from the internet for NOT sharing he was.
mind boggling!
October 31st, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Me and my girlfriend had a heated debate over this story. I find nothing wrong with what he did.
Those stories must have been so much more harmful as a private fantasy over a film script about SOMEONE’S HEAD BEING SHOT OFF AND BEING SHOWN ON SCREEN WHILE SOME 12 YEAR OLD IS GETTING RAPED IN THE BACKGROUND BESIDE THE HOUSE BLOWING UP WHILE EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE IS EATING POPCORN! WHERE ARE THE COPS!?! OH, THEY ARE AFTER THE PEOPLE WITH HAND-HELD CAMERAS!
October 31st, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Maybe he just needed a reason to get rid of his wife?
October 31st, 2009 at 9:48 pm
So you go to a friend’s house and happen to see a story her husband has “innocently” written on the computer. He hasn’t harmed anyone…………yet. Is anybody telling me they wouldn’t pick their child up and run out the door as soon as possible? You would be concerned about how much further he could eventually take it!! Although what he did wasn’t harming a child, you show me a person that hasn’t tried to live out his fantasy!! Where is the line drawn between being a risk and not being a risk or nearly being a risk?!
I don’t believe that he should be jailed, and that fact that he sought out treatment of his own accord speaks volumes. But he should have his DNA on a database. He should be watched. His fantasies could have been something he eventually acted on. You just never know. It starts with writing erotic stories, and then it can progress. Everything has to start somewhere and if more people were caught in the early stages then less offenses may have been committed.
If it stayed at writing little stories for himself, and would forever remain at that then fine, I wouldn’t have as much of an issue with that. But you can’t be just a bit of a murderer, or a bit of a thief or a bit of a pedophile. If you crave kids in a sexual manner then you pose a risk on society. End of story!!
October 31st, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Dark Faery: What we are outraged at is the fack that this man faces a jail sentence for a crime he hasn’t even committed. He has written a work of fiction, and rather than investigate the matter to see if he is, in fact, a threat, the pinheads who run our legal system decided to lump him together with every pervert driving a blue van slowly around a kid’s playground. He hasn’t harmed anyone, has no intention of acting on these fantasies, and most importantly, there is no evidence to suggest he would. I understand why anyone would be concerned about him taking his fetish further, but think about it: You’re suggesting that the probability of him becoming a child molester is high merely due to the fact that he writes erotic fiction. Lots of people write stories involving a graphic depiction of people being brutally murdered, but very few of them are actual murderers. It is a double standard that we as a society can no longer tolerate. Just because someone writes about their fantasies—as perverted as they may be—-does not mean they would ever act upon them. Nearly every married man fantasizes about other women, but most of them remain faithful to their wives, because they still have a strong moral code, and can clearly differentiate between what is acceptable in real life and their imagination.
It is truly an injustice that this man has been labelled a sex offender. They assume the worst of him, even though their is no evidence to support their claim. The fact that he sought medical treatment of his own accord is sufficient proof that he has no intention of becoming a child molester. And who knows? Maybe writing about it is actually beneficial to keeping his fetish in check. Just as someone might relieve themselves of daily stress factors by venting about it in a diary, it’s entirely possible that writing erotic fiction is simply an outlet for him to relieve his sexual frustrations.
October 31st, 2009 at 10:39 pm
@Dark Faery
Whats using a computer got to do with it? Nothing.
Also, whats innocent about you reading more than a couple of lines of his private works on this persons PC (which is like a diary these days) as you pass by?
Were people arrested for what their private thoughts they wrote in their diaries/journals and shared with no one? This normal? Normal for you to innocently rummage through it? Or is this trespassing on someones privacy?
October 31st, 2009 at 11:30 pm
1. Write a script that generates those stories automatically (similar to pseudo-scientific text submitted to scientific journals)
2. Log in in Tor, and e-mail those stories to all MPs in Canadian parliament
3. PROFIT!!!
November 1st, 2009 at 1:23 am
What if a person has a dream one night that is “inappropriate?” What if they record it in a diary? Does that make them a pedophile? It is natural for all people to have inappropriate thoughts, especially spontaneous ones that disturb ourselves. He didn’t act on them. We all have demons that we struggle with. His demons were private, and they should have remained private.
I don’t understand how this guys is a sex offender but the people that made Saw walk-free.
This ruling sickens me, it should never have happened. But if you say think of the children then due process and rational thought are out the window.
November 1st, 2009 at 2:02 am
Clearly I was too quick to jump and be defensive. I tried to look at it from two different view points. No he shouldn’t be jailed and I did say that. Like someone said, writing about murder doesn’t make you a potential murderer. I’m a mum and that makes me worry more about potential risks. No he didn’t harm anyone, and I hope he never does. I hope he appeals his sentence and continues to seek therapy for his possible fetishes to keep them in check.
November 1st, 2009 at 2:28 am
At Future Shop nothing is taboo if it gets you a sale.
Even of notoriety, its still a sale
November 1st, 2009 at 10:26 am
“# Brian Says:
October 31st, 2009 at 5:27 pm
What if someone tells another person or group an erotic story involving sex with, say, a 17 year old – orally from memory – with nothing written down on a piece of paper. Would that person be violating the law as well? If so, then the state is very literally criminalising thought itself.
”
indeed this is true
see here:
Your Obscene Printed Manga is Illegal….
U.S. Manga Obscenity Conviction Roils Comics World
* By David Kravets Email Author
* May 28, 2009 |
* 12:00 am |
* Categories: Crime, The Courts, porn
In an obscenity first, a U.S. comic book collector has pleaded guilty to importing and possessing Japanese manga books depicting illustrations of child sex abuse and bestiality.
Christopher Handley, described by his lawyer as a “prolific collector” of manga, pleaded guilty last week to mailing obscene matter, and to “possession of obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children.” Three other counts were dropped in a plea deal with prosecutors.
The 39-year-old office worker was charged under the 2003 Protect Act, which outlaws cartoons, drawings, sculptures or paintings depicting minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, and which lack “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.” Handley’s guilty plea makes him the first to be convicted under that law for possessing cartoon art, without any evidence that he also collected or viewed genuine child pornography. He faces a maximum sentence of 15 years in prison.
Comics fans are alarmed by the case, (.pdf), saying that jailing someone over manga does nothing to protect children from sexual abuse.
“This art that this man possessed as part of a larger collection of manga … is now the basis for [a sentence] designed to protect children from abuse,” says Charles Brownstein, executive director of the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund. “The drawings are not obscene and are not tantamount to pornography. They are lines on paper.”
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/manga-porn/
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November 1st, 2009 at 1:17 pm
This is why I hate North American politics. They have no logical bone in their body, and can easily be swayed by lobby groups who wave a cheque in front of their face, whether it be the recording industry, or these “Won’t somebody PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!” fanatics.
I remember hearing a story in art history class last year that was truly ridiculous. An artist had been charged and had his work confiscated from a gallery for displaying pornographic drawings of children in his gallery exhibition. But here’s the thing: The drawings in question were based on real-life testimonies from adults who had been sexually abused as children, and had given the artist full permission to display the images in hopes of raising awareness about the issue. So he was actually trying to protect kids by bringing more attention to the problem, and ended up facing accusations of being a pedophile.
November 1st, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Pretty soon they’ll be arresting kids for drawing peepees and weewees all over their notebooks.
November 1st, 2009 at 3:47 pm
They should. Dirty, deviant kids.
November 1st, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Moral of the story:
PROTECT YOUR DATA!
Most of these cases you read about have someone like Best Buy or Wal*Mart reporting it to the police.
You’re an idiot if you let some unknown persons access to all your personal data, god knows what can incriminate you these days. (Certainly doesn’t have to be even child porn related anymore as we all know).
People should use something like Windows bitlocker (or a free alternative) if they MUST let someone untrustworthy have physical access to their computer.
Nothing would of came to this if there was an encrypted volume involved, nobody would know what was in it.
November 2nd, 2009 at 11:42 am
I wonder when they are aoing to arrest Stephen King for his book ‘It’. After all, the climax was group sex with one under age
girls and several underage boys.
The shining ?
A young boy repeatedly exposed to sex and nudity by ‘ghosts’.
I’ll wait and see when his try date is set.
November 2nd, 2009 at 1:04 pm
what about anais nin, she wrote a few stories involving underaged girls, specifically as erotica, or is it different cuz she is a woman?
November 2nd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
The Holy Bible describes an illicit sexual act between Lot and his young daughters. Should we jail everyone who owns a copy of this book?
I’m waiting for the day when “phallometric testing” becomes a routine part of police procedure. Just like a person jailed for internet copyright infringement being forced to provide DNA samples.
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:48 pm
This story sounds like it’s missing a lot of details.
Was it a story of him harmlessly kissing a young person on the cheek wishing them a happy birthday, or was it something more sinister such as very seriously harming a child mentally/physically/emotionally/sexually?
I suspect it was truly something disturbing which is why such serious measures were taken to nip it in an early stage.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:49 am
It doesn’t matter what the details of his writings were; IT NEVER HAPPENED. He was prosecuted for writing works of fiction. He hasn’t hurt anyone, end of story.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
This decision should be challenged, it’s totally absurd. This guy did no harm to anyone. Reminds me a guy who was convicted in Australia because of pictures of Bart Simpson with Maggie. Utter nonsense.
November 5th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Jehovah’s Witness religion is known as the “pedophiles paradise” FOR A REASON.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses religion requires TWO WITNESSES to a crime before they will consider it to have happened. How often are there two witnesses of an act of pedophilia?
Settlement with victims of child abuse have required the victim to sign a gag order as documented by NBC.
Please protect your children.
Sexual Abuse/Child abuse issues among Jehovah’s Witnesses
http://www.exjws.net/sexabuse/