‘Three strikes’ Mandelson to Indiana Gregg
p2pnet news view P2P | Politics:- Indie artist Indiana Gregg (right) became suddenly and instantly (in)famous when she had the temerity to launch a full frontal assault on The Pirate Bay.
Like TPB is HOLY! No one attacks them!
She and her husband, Ian Morrow, asked TPB to remove a .torrent linking to Gregg’s ‘Woman At Work’ album.
And they suffered the wrath of the net as a result.
That was more than a year ago and Indiana, still front and centre in the copyfight, recently decided she wasn’t content to accept the mainstream media reports of the UK government’s plans for its version of the Three Strikes and you’re Off The Net policy.
Anyone who “persistently” downloads ‘illegal’ content after being twice warned not to do it will be disconnected, business secretary Peter Mandelson said.
Print and electronic mainstream media consistently lay the plan on his doorstep, presenting it as a UK ‘initiative’. But it’s world wide and ISPs everywhere may be forced to snoop on their customers and cut them off if they’re found to have shared copyright-protected music online, said the IDG News Service in a story on the latest round of the secret ACTA talks which have just concluded in Korea.
Because ACTA and the Three Strikes plans go hand-in-hand.
“Promoted by America, Yes — but on behalf of the entertainment industry,” said p2pnet, going on the ‘initiative’ is “touted around the world as individual government plans is nothing but a part of a carefully orchestrated campaign to turn governments into copyright agencies funded by local taxpayers, and ISPs into copyright police, acting against their own customers.”
Mandelson is, then, doing no more than handling it in Britain on behalf of Vivendi Universal, EMI, Warner Music and Sony Music, and Disney, News Corp, Time Warner, Viacom, NBC Universal and Sony Pictures.
What, specifically, does he have in mind?
When Indiana asked him, she received a reply from James Matthews of the BIS ministerial correspondence unit which, among other things, shamelessly and blatantly promotes Virgin Media and Universal.
It says »»»
The Government wants as many people as possible to enjoy all the benefits that broadband internet can bring. New technology has changed the way people want to use and access media content, in some cases faster than products and services commercially on offer have developed. But we are also clear that the benefits of the internet must include economic benefits for our creative industries and artists. We therefore take extremely seriously the problem of illegal file sharing, and have been working closely with rights holders, media companies and internet firms to develop practical solutions to reduce and prevent this.
Whilst all parties would prefer a voluntary, rather than a regulatory solution, it is clear that such a commercial solution is very difficult to achieve. We recognize that one problem is the need for a level playing field and therefore acknowledge the need for a regulatory baseline. Last year we hed a consultation on possible legislative options to tackle file-sharing; this, submissions received and the Government’s response can be found at: http://www.ber.go.uk/consultations/page47141.html
We set out how we pan to move forward on this in the Digital Britain Report published on 16 June, which identified the need to encourage new sources of content and increased levels of media literacy as well as how to tackle whose unlawfully sharing copyright material (chapter 4). The report can be found at:
http://www.dcms.gov.uk/what_we_do/broadcasting/5631.aspx
We propose to legislate to ensure that consumers whose broadband account has been identified in connection with alleged copyright infringement would be alerted by letter. This would set out the legal position but also provide pointers for help and information on, for example, how to protect wireless networks properly, where to find legal sources and routes of appeal. This letter would come from the Internet Service Providers (ISP) concerned, not a law firm. This should help address many concerns about individuals being wrongly identified, not having the correct information or indeed feeling pressured by the threat of legal action.
For those individuals who choose to ignore the letter, they will receive a number of further warnings before they are ultimately addd to a list of those subscribers most frequently alleged to have breached copyright. Rights holders will be able to use a court order to obtain the details of these individuals and then take targeted legal action as appropriate. This should ensure that individuals have ample opportunity to change their behaviour, take appropriate action to, for example, secure their wireless connection or indeed appeal. It would also mean that only those who chose to ignore the warnings and who appeared to continue to infringe copyright on a large scale would face legal action.
As a final safeguard, this activity would be underpinned by a Code overseen by the independent regulator the Office of Communications (Ofcom). A key issue the Code would have to cover is consumer protection- one of Ofcom’s prime roles. However, we are breaking new ground in legislating to tackle this type of activity and while we are confident these measures will significantly reduce the level of unlawful file-sharing, we cannot be sure. That is why we are also including the option to allow the introduction of technical measures if the notifications and legal action do not prove as effective as we expect.
We committed in the interim Digital Britain report to consult on the detail of the legislative proposals and this sonsultation was issued on 16 June. Following this, concern was expressed at the length of time it would take to implement these measures- or indeed move to technical measures. We therefore decided to modify these proposals and issued a statement on 25 August explaining our thinking. The consultation on these proposals closed on 29 September. We are in the process of analyzing all the responses received and intend to issue a summary along with the Government’s top-level response in November. I hope your constituent was able to contribute to the debate.
However, it is not possible to look at file-sharing in isolation. There is also the need to ensure proper education of consumers, for new attractive legal sources of content as well as a system of notifications; these will play a significant part in that education role. It is vital that there are attractive legal offers available so that unlawful behaviour is no longer the default” for many seeking content online. That is why we welcomed the recent announcement by Virgin Media and Universal on the launchof a subscription download model, allied with Virgin taking anti-piracy measures on its network. This is the type of agreement which will play a critical role in moving the majority of people away from piracy.
Our ambition is to see the UK as the leading major economy for innovation, investment and quality in the digital and communications industries. The Digital Britain Report aims to secure four key conditions, namely: open markets; empowered and informed consumers and citizens; universal access to public service content; and a responsive regulatory framework. One work-stream will explore business models for content deveopment in the digital age and the impact of new media on the content market. In addition, the UK Intellectual Property Office will take forward work to deliver a digital copyright framework which supports creativity, investment and job creation.
Definitely stay tuned.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win ~ Mahatma Gandhi
wrath of the net – Indiana Gregg versus The Pirate Bay, July 5, 2008
IDG News Service – Trade Talks Hone in on Internet Abuse and ISP Liability, November 3, 2009
p2pnet – Three strikes world-wide, and a global DMCA, November 4, 2009
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November 9th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Indianna Gregg… honestly?
Lilly Allen made more sense (at times) even though she was ‘mis-guided’.
Here’s a link to how much Indiana and Ian understand about the net, and how unfair the ‘internets’ and the pirates/bad people who inhabit it are to them:
(Warning: some seriously bad blinding colors on this site)
http://emptv.com/p/indiana-gregg-ian-morrow-sockpuppets
After reading the above, actually go through the history pages on Wikipedia if you have nothing to do for an hour…. its most interesting and enlightening (in a funny way)
November 9th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Well, you only have to read that petition she’s pushing for a “Compulsory Digital Music License” to know there’s a “disconnect” going in someone’s mind. The petition is basically just calling for another music license, but uses the premise, “If you support p2p technology and do not agree with government plans to persecute file-sharers with 3-strike rules and breaking their internet access….” to sell it.
As if the 2 principles go hand-in-hand or something.
Nice use of “implied association”, people!
“If you’re not with us, you’re with the TERRORISTS!”
- Dubya
November 9th, 2009 at 11:46 am
what petition? this is about the 3 strikes
November 9th, 2009 at 11:56 am
@eZee.se-Mod
Last time around you also posted this link:
http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/a-discussion-with-indiana-gregg-setting-the-record-straight/
Cheers!
November 9th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
“what petition? this is about the 3 strikes”
This petition:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/compulsary_worldwide_digital_mus/index.html
Indiana (who was also mentioned in the main post) was pointing us to this petition a short time ago.
November 9th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
” Nice use of “implied association”, people”
There’s a whole lot of that going around. Makes me all ’stabby’ sometimes.
– the above statement is a ‘figure of speech’ and in no way means to imply that I, or by
suggestion someone else, commit or attempt to commit any acts of violence against anyone, anywher, anytime. -
November 9th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
@Jon,
Mind giving me the link to the last time that i posted that? I really dont remember even seeing that article before
Oh memory, are you failing me?
November 9th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
@ eZee.se-Mod :
No prob – http://www.p2pnet.net/story/30466#comment-988972
You were just trying to be fair. Right?
Says openbytes in the post:
“I have uniquely (for a personal blogger) had an opportunity to have direct communication with Ms Gregg who has more than answered the allegations by others and provided evidence in relation to those allegations.”
Cheers!
November 9th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Heck!
That certainly took me by surprise because I dont remember ever writing that… but take a closer look at it for a second:
You see my username and its directly linked to our website (thanks to Jon), that IS my comment and I do remember writing it, the others…. not mine, someone is impersonating us/me.
1. it has a @ before my nick
2. no link to eZee.se (something only Jon can do on this site)
3. I have no recollection of writing it, and I highly doubt its memory failure on my part
The first comment of:
is indeed mine.
Jon, that link/comment you showed me did not come from anyone one of us from eZee (and for the past few months only i comment here) nor from this username, please check the logs or usernames in the datebase with regards to the above if in doubt because i can 100% tell you it didnt come from us/me.
(on a private note, why is all my comments automatically being held in moderation before being accepted?)
November 9th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
@Ryan:
“on a private note, why is all my comments automatically being held in moderation before being accepted?”
I don’t know. Akismet is doing that, not not me. I OK them as soon as I see them. It also sometimes passes spam which is very obviously spam. But by and large, it does a good job.
On other things, I’ve literally just come off the phone with Indiana and I’ll be doing some posts based our talk.
For the moment, I’m now with openbytes: she got the sticky end of the stick. She’s a very nice, very open person and not at all what’s she’s been cracked up to be. So stay tuned.
Otherwise , sorry someone hijacked your name. I didn’t realise it.
I can’t check logs, even if I wanted to. As you should know by now, I don’t keep them.
Cheers!
November 9th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
@ Jon
You got sucked in. You should know better.
November 9th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
@Jon,
Hey!
No worries, I use Akismet as well and I agree, it does a lot more good than bad, guess I just got unlucky, but it also learns so maybe in a couple of posts it will stop blacklisting me.
>Otherwise , sorry someone hijacked your name. I didn’t realise it.
No worries and no harm done, from your reply I kind of guessed you got taken in, heck! even i was a bit confused when I first saw it and took me a couple of seconds to totally realize I didnt write that and to spot the differences. Thanks to you highlighting my username it was easy to sort out though.
Sorry, I didnt mean server logs… i meant WP logs, each username has a unique ID in WP, unless this other person posted anonymously s/he should have a different ID.
I actually did speak to Indiana Gregg via email after the whole TPB and ‘internet police are coming’ thing went down,
since you seem to have a very different opinion to mine, and this is your site, out of respect to you I shall not mention my opinion of her here.
On another topic,
Check out eZee in a while though, there are going to be 3 new links to your posts here
November 9th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
I know the truth when I hear it.
And as I’ve just said on a2f2a, she’s also someone who’s been there and back with the labels and I’ll be doing what I’m pretty sure will be some interesting and educational posts based on our conversation.
Cheers!
November 9th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
@ eZee.se-Mod :
I spoke to her the phone for about an hour, and could have gone on much longer.
“Check out eZee in a while though …”
Will do.
Cheers!
November 9th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Wouldnt you know it… major update to the site… and now we have to change hosts