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		<title>By: jon7272</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31142/comment-page-1#comment-990161</link>
		<dc:creator>jon7272</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the isps will lose a lot of money here. they will use there power to media blitse the networks to vote out the governments who bring this in its not over yet.and also why bother having the net at all if you cant download anything most of my friends will just wont have the net anymore saving themselves money costing the isps lots and thats just me and my friends .just look at xbox live they bloccked 1 million onliners cause they had a mod chip installed way to go to lose marketshare morons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the isps will lose a lot of money here. they will use there power to media blitse the networks to vote out the governments who bring this in its not over yet.and also why bother having the net at all if you cant download anything most of my friends will just wont have the net anymore saving themselves money costing the isps lots and thats just me and my friends .just look at xbox live they bloccked 1 million onliners cause they had a mod chip installed way to go to lose marketshare morons</p>
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		<title>By: RIAA Hater</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31142/comment-page-1#comment-990124</link>
		<dc:creator>RIAA Hater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why can&#039;t I talk to my friends on the computer?&quot;

&quot;Because you violate copyrights at night!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why can&#8217;t I talk to my friends on the computer?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Because you violate copyrights at night!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: surfer</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31142/comment-page-1#comment-990119</link>
		<dc:creator>surfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people may think your a doomsayer Crosbie, but the inevitable reality is exactly how you have painted it in your comments.

If your not outraged, your not paying attention...

stw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people may think your a doomsayer Crosbie, but the inevitable reality is exactly how you have painted it in your comments.</p>
<p>If your not outraged, your not paying attention&#8230;</p>
<p>stw</p>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31142/comment-page-1#comment-990090</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DA, yes, this is nothing to do with price fixing of copies, but control of public communications channels (the original purpose of copyright).

I commented to that effect on freedom-to-tinker.com

Once on this post: 
freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/targeted-copyright-enforcement-deterring-many-users-few-lawsuits

And a few times on this one:
freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/targeted-copyright-enforcement-vs-inaccurate-enforcement

[Unlinked to avoid spam filter]

Unfortunately, their cunning strategy of suing a few fundamentally innocent people for $millions will enable them to slip ACTA&#039;s &#039;graduated response&#039; in as a &#039;kinder&#039; punishment (when it is actually far worse in the large scheme of things).

The thing is, people will be easily fooled that simple disconnection is the mildest of punishments, and all the kinder given no expensive court costs or legal fees are involved. (Someone is spinning in their grave at the suggestion that it&#039;s kinder to remove citizens from justice in order to spare them legal expenses and damages due to infringement of unethical privileges).

It will be too late before people realise the keys to the Internet have just been handed to the publishing corporations (who will ensure that only select cartel members are authorised to serve disconnection notices). When they have those keys, they won&#039;t need to maintain any pretence that they&#039;re worried about unauthorised copies. When the cartel owns mankind&#039;s greatest communication channel (they can exclude anyone who doesn&#039;t submit to their will), why would they give a toss about copies? If you want to do business online, then you&#039;ll eventually sell your business to the cartel (when you start making money). You&#039;ll join their &#039;family&#039; and they&#039;ll look after you (while you behave yourself). Of course, that&#039;s &quot;sell your business&quot; as in &quot;surrender&quot;. 99% for them, 1% for you. Nice.

ACTA constitutes a conspiracy to commit a velvet coup. Moreover, it has a good chance of success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DA, yes, this is nothing to do with price fixing of copies, but control of public communications channels (the original purpose of copyright).</p>
<p>I commented to that effect on freedom-to-tinker.com</p>
<p>Once on this post:<br />
freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/targeted-copyright-enforcement-deterring-many-users-few-lawsuits</p>
<p>And a few times on this one:<br />
freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/targeted-copyright-enforcement-vs-inaccurate-enforcement</p>
<p>[Unlinked to avoid spam filter]</p>
<p>Unfortunately, their cunning strategy of suing a few fundamentally innocent people for $millions will enable them to slip ACTA&#8217;s &#8216;graduated response&#8217; in as a &#8216;kinder&#8217; punishment (when it is actually far worse in the large scheme of things).</p>
<p>The thing is, people will be easily fooled that simple disconnection is the mildest of punishments, and all the kinder given no expensive court costs or legal fees are involved. (Someone is spinning in their grave at the suggestion that it&#8217;s kinder to remove citizens from justice in order to spare them legal expenses and damages due to infringement of unethical privileges).</p>
<p>It will be too late before people realise the keys to the Internet have just been handed to the publishing corporations (who will ensure that only select cartel members are authorised to serve disconnection notices). When they have those keys, they won&#8217;t need to maintain any pretence that they&#8217;re worried about unauthorised copies. When the cartel owns mankind&#8217;s greatest communication channel (they can exclude anyone who doesn&#8217;t submit to their will), why would they give a toss about copies? If you want to do business online, then you&#8217;ll eventually sell your business to the cartel (when you start making money). You&#8217;ll join their &#8216;family&#8217; and they&#8217;ll look after you (while you behave yourself). Of course, that&#8217;s &#8220;sell your business&#8221; as in &#8220;surrender&#8221;. 99% for them, 1% for you. Nice.</p>
<p>ACTA constitutes a conspiracy to commit a velvet coup. Moreover, it has a good chance of success.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31142/comment-page-1#comment-990085</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the title...

I often wonder if this whole push for &quot;3 Strikes&quot; measures has a secondary agenda behind it.
We all know that the Internet is re-empowering the People, and how that makes both Big Business and Big Government a little &quot;unhappy&quot;.  Who&#039;s to say that 3 Strikes isn&#039;t actually a supreme &quot;off-switch&quot; to be used &quot;quietly&quot; against major &quot;dissenters&quot;??

As the title says, no one WILL hear you when you&#039;re offline, as you&#039;ll be disconnected under the guise of being a &quot;suspected filesharing terrorist&quot;.  This &quot;charge&quot; could keep you and any of your supporters who try to publicly scream &quot;Fowl!&quot; from not only participating online, but from calling out the real fowl itself (interfering with Free Speech).

I&#039;m sure those who are currently living with the Patriot Act can understand this principle enough to know how real the threat is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the title&#8230;</p>
<p>I often wonder if this whole push for &#8220;3 Strikes&#8221; measures has a secondary agenda behind it.<br />
We all know that the Internet is re-empowering the People, and how that makes both Big Business and Big Government a little &#8220;unhappy&#8221;.  Who&#8217;s to say that 3 Strikes isn&#8217;t actually a supreme &#8220;off-switch&#8221; to be used &#8220;quietly&#8221; against major &#8220;dissenters&#8221;??</p>
<p>As the title says, no one WILL hear you when you&#8217;re offline, as you&#8217;ll be disconnected under the guise of being a &#8220;suspected filesharing terrorist&#8221;.  This &#8220;charge&#8221; could keep you and any of your supporters who try to publicly scream &#8220;Fowl!&#8221; from not only participating online, but from calling out the real fowl itself (interfering with Free Speech).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure those who are currently living with the Patriot Act can understand this principle enough to know how real the threat is.</p>
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		<title>By: EE</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31142/comment-page-1#comment-990081</link>
		<dc:creator>EE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jon

I love the title on this one.  :D</description>
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<p>I love the title on this one.  <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31142/comment-page-1#comment-990080</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as Crosbie points out in another &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.p2pnet.net/story/30845#comment-990064&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Reader&#039;s write&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;The sad thing is that lawyers (whoâve had their consciences surgically removed to avoid interfering with their work) think that 3 strikes is doing everyone a favour by avoiding expensive court costs: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/11/viacoms-top-lawyer-suing-p2p-users-felt-like-terrorism.ars

Itâs like &lt;i&gt;âHey, guys, isnât this much better? This way you and your family simply lose your Internet connection at our clientâs whim. No litigation, legal fees, million dollar fines, or jail terms. 

And if you try accessing the Internet via your neighbour, weâll simply disconnect them too. 

No charges or arrests for aiding and abetting. No RIAA swat team. I think this could be start of a beautiful relationship, donât you? Have some appreciation for our generosity in supporting this extra-judicial solution that will hurt our bottom line considerably. Weâre going to have to go easy expanding our Ferrari collection thanks to this. 

And donât worry, disconnections, equipment confiscations, and asset sequestrations wonât start in earnest until all primary jurisdictions have enacted this kinder, gentler, graduated response. :-) â&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;Some lawyers are just too kind to their fellow men.&quot;

Aren&#039;t  they, though?

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as Crosbie points out in another <a href="http://www.p2pnet.net/story/30845#comment-990064" rel="nofollow">Reader&#8217;s write</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;The sad thing is that lawyers (whoâve had their consciences surgically removed to avoid interfering with their work) think that 3 strikes is doing everyone a favour by avoiding expensive court costs: <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/11/viacoms-top-lawyer-suing-p2p-users-felt-like-terrorism.ars" rel="nofollow">http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/11/viacoms-top-lawyer-suing-p2p-users-felt-like-terrorism.ars</a></p>
<p>Itâs like <i>âHey, guys, isnât this much better? This way you and your family simply lose your Internet connection at our clientâs whim. No litigation, legal fees, million dollar fines, or jail terms. </p>
<p>And if you try accessing the Internet via your neighbour, weâll simply disconnect them too. </p>
<p>No charges or arrests for aiding and abetting. No RIAA swat team. I think this could be start of a beautiful relationship, donât you? Have some appreciation for our generosity in supporting this extra-judicial solution that will hurt our bottom line considerably. Weâre going to have to go easy expanding our Ferrari collection thanks to this. </p>
<p>And donât worry, disconnections, equipment confiscations, and asset sequestrations wonât start in earnest until all primary jurisdictions have enacted this kinder, gentler, graduated response. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  â</i></p>
<p>&#8220;Some lawyers are just too kind to their fellow men.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t  they, though?</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...that hits the nail on the head. No longer are people innocent until proven guilty. Instead it is quite the reverse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;that hits the nail on the head. No longer are people innocent until proven guilty. Instead it is quite the reverse.</p>
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