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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31156/comment-page-1#comment-990382</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not wipe out all reviews and start fresh?  If you&#039;re going to restart, might as well start clean.</description>
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		<title>By: Biff</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31156/comment-page-1#comment-990192</link>
		<dc:creator>Biff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks good!  Figure out how to get Facer&#039;s &quot;reviews&quot; off of there and it&#039;s perfect....</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31156/comment-page-1#comment-990176</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, should have said &quot;napster.txt&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31156/comment-page-1#comment-990174</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thing you are going to replace it. Who is going to use it though?  I know the tech specs are out there.  Would the DMCA come into effect here since the code does reengineer a working application which is now owned by Napster Inc?  I&#039;m not a lawyer but this could come into question.  But then a piece of history can be preserved.

Wish the original Napster source code could be displayed but I doubt it will happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thing you are going to replace it. Who is going to use it though?  I know the tech specs are out there.  Would the DMCA come into effect here since the code does reengineer a working application which is now owned by Napster Inc?  I&#8217;m not a lawyer but this could come into question.  But then a piece of history can be preserved.</p>
<p>Wish the original Napster source code could be displayed but I doubt it will happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31156/comment-page-1#comment-990172</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DroGoh: 

 Want a hand in replacing it? Might be able to help. I still have the original webpage in it&#039;s original form as well as older forms too. Don&#039;t have the technical info but I do have most of the documents, release 0.44 of the source code  and that&#039;s about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DroGoh: </p>
<p> Want a hand in replacing it? Might be able to help. I still have the original webpage in it&#8217;s original form as well as older forms too. Don&#8217;t have the technical info but I do have most of the documents, release 0.44 of the source code  and that&#8217;s about it.</p>
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		<title>By: drogoh</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31156/comment-page-1#comment-990167</link>
		<dc:creator>drogoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OpenNap was not proprietary at all.  It was a reverse engineering of the original Napster protocol.  Napster, Inc. never had any real involvement in it, so Best Buy has no involvement with OpenNap.

What Wayne Facer did may have been, to him, in good intentions.  However, as an important piece of peer2peer history, I believe that OpenNap in its original form needs to be preserved.  Without preservation, it becomes lost to all.

Since Facer had deleted the project outright, I re-registered it and have been trying to restore what I can piecemeal.  Unfortunately, there is a plethora of information that may very well be lost for good, thanks to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OpenNap was not proprietary at all.  It was a reverse engineering of the original Napster protocol.  Napster, Inc. never had any real involvement in it, so Best Buy has no involvement with OpenNap.</p>
<p>What Wayne Facer did may have been, to him, in good intentions.  However, as an important piece of peer2peer history, I believe that OpenNap in its original form needs to be preserved.  Without preservation, it becomes lost to all.</p>
<p>Since Facer had deleted the project outright, I re-registered it and have been trying to restore what I can piecemeal.  Unfortunately, there is a plethora of information that may very well be lost for good, thanks to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31156/comment-page-1#comment-990140</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But here&#039;s another question.  If the project was dormant, why would anybody get access to it.  Sourceforge should have locked out the page and prevented anybody from gaining control of it. There&#039;s alot of fault to go around so I wouldn&#039;t criticize one person for doing what they thought was right.  Maybe it will go on we don&#039;t know.  Maybe other people are working on it but don&#039;t want to be recognized.  Remember OpenNap and other versions (including SlavaNap) are still under watch of the RIAA.  Perhaps they wanted to make sure that the old code was removed. Maybe the current owners (Best Buy) don&#039;t want any copies of their proprietary software or older versions of their software to be examined. 

I stopped using it because it was outdated and the threats of legal action were looming.  If people would get together and work on updating these old projects we wouldn&#039;t have any problems. Do you see anybody complaining about old linux code or C code not being used?  Do you see people complaining about Windows 2 when Windows 7 is out the door?  

I&#039;m not saying it was wrong, it was.  I was able to find the old technical info out there and maybe someone else will put it on a new web page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But here&#8217;s another question.  If the project was dormant, why would anybody get access to it.  Sourceforge should have locked out the page and prevented anybody from gaining control of it. There&#8217;s alot of fault to go around so I wouldn&#8217;t criticize one person for doing what they thought was right.  Maybe it will go on we don&#8217;t know.  Maybe other people are working on it but don&#8217;t want to be recognized.  Remember OpenNap and other versions (including SlavaNap) are still under watch of the RIAA.  Perhaps they wanted to make sure that the old code was removed. Maybe the current owners (Best Buy) don&#8217;t want any copies of their proprietary software or older versions of their software to be examined. </p>
<p>I stopped using it because it was outdated and the threats of legal action were looming.  If people would get together and work on updating these old projects we wouldn&#8217;t have any problems. Do you see anybody complaining about old linux code or C code not being used?  Do you see people complaining about Windows 2 when Windows 7 is out the door?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying it was wrong, it was.  I was able to find the old technical info out there and maybe someone else will put it on a new web page.</p>
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		<title>By: drogoh</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31156/comment-page-1#comment-990098</link>
		<dc:creator>drogoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although the original project had been dormant for many years, those who forked the work had done so out of a respect to not do something like this.  The modifications done with the two (yes, two) forks that called themselves OpenNap-NG were different visions and different modifications to the code, but they both could trace their roots back to the original OpenNap project.  What Wayne Facer did by getting access to the original project and subsequently removing it due to the criticism that would have inevitably been received by the remnants of a once thriving community is a disgrace to drscholl&#039;s work.

If Wayne Facer was so intent on developing an open source Napster server using OpenNap as its base, he could have very well done so by creating his own project and calling it something other than OpenNap.  When drscholl went dormant and the community shrunk to what is left, the project itself became more of a museum exhibit than an actual feasible project.  Wayne Facer should have acknowledged this and left well enough alone.  I&#039;ll give you a B for effort and an F for failure to acknowledge any historic significance of leaving the original work intact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the original project had been dormant for many years, those who forked the work had done so out of a respect to not do something like this.  The modifications done with the two (yes, two) forks that called themselves OpenNap-NG were different visions and different modifications to the code, but they both could trace their roots back to the original OpenNap project.  What Wayne Facer did by getting access to the original project and subsequently removing it due to the criticism that would have inevitably been received by the remnants of a once thriving community is a disgrace to drscholl&#8217;s work.</p>
<p>If Wayne Facer was so intent on developing an open source Napster server using OpenNap as its base, he could have very well done so by creating his own project and calling it something other than OpenNap.  When drscholl went dormant and the community shrunk to what is left, the project itself became more of a museum exhibit than an actual feasible project.  Wayne Facer should have acknowledged this and left well enough alone.  I&#8217;ll give you a B for effort and an F for failure to acknowledge any historic significance of leaving the original work intact.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31156/comment-page-1#comment-989996</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. Search for &quot;nap.txt&quot;. It&#039;s all over the web. Enjoy your last laugh, whoever the hell you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. Search for &#8220;nap.txt&#8221;. It&#8217;s all over the web. Enjoy your last laugh, whoever the hell you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31156/comment-page-1#comment-989925</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on people, where were you when nobody updated the original code? Granted there are other better sites out there. Maybe the new author wants to take it down and start on something new. Itâs their right to do so. If the original author orphaned the project and the new project owner didn&#039;t want to use it, shouldn&#039;t the original page be locked out or changes would be prevented? On the other hand maybe the new project owner didn&#039;t want or need to use the old code and had something better.  We will never know.  

I was able to find the technical specs on it so it&#039;s not gone for good.  The old page is gone but alteast it still lives and never will die.  

BTW:  I wouldn&#039;t have advertised that there are over 20,000 users.  The RIAA could be watching</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on people, where were you when nobody updated the original code? Granted there are other better sites out there. Maybe the new author wants to take it down and start on something new. Itâs their right to do so. If the original author orphaned the project and the new project owner didn&#8217;t want to use it, shouldn&#8217;t the original page be locked out or changes would be prevented? On the other hand maybe the new project owner didn&#8217;t want or need to use the old code and had something better.  We will never know.  </p>
<p>I was able to find the technical specs on it so it&#8217;s not gone for good.  The old page is gone but alteast it still lives and never will die.  </p>
<p>BTW:  I wouldn&#8217;t have advertised that there are over 20,000 users.  The RIAA could be watching</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31156/comment-page-1#comment-989920</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The project owner&quot;? What has he contributed so far? He just got a password and erased everything, that&#039;s all. Sorry but I fail to see why a random idiot should have the right to take &quot;the liberty&quot; of taking the entire site down as his sole contribution. Why delete everything to begin with? Because he acted like an idiot and when people criticized him he added childish behavior to his idiocy? Needless to say things would have been different if he had kept the archives and contributed something interesting.

Besides, there are still OpenNap servers around with more than 20000 users, so it&#039;s still being used even if drscholl abandoned the project. That&#039;s the beauty of free software, server admins keep playing with it, making changes when they think it&#039;s necessary.

Finally, as for the last laugh the so called &quot;developer&quot; or &quot;owner&quot; was talking about, Archive.org has a copy of the tech doc. Who&#039;s laughing now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The project owner&#8221;? What has he contributed so far? He just got a password and erased everything, that&#8217;s all. Sorry but I fail to see why a random idiot should have the right to take &#8220;the liberty&#8221; of taking the entire site down as his sole contribution. Why delete everything to begin with? Because he acted like an idiot and when people criticized him he added childish behavior to his idiocy? Needless to say things would have been different if he had kept the archives and contributed something interesting.</p>
<p>Besides, there are still OpenNap servers around with more than 20000 users, so it&#8217;s still being used even if drscholl abandoned the project. That&#8217;s the beauty of free software, server admins keep playing with it, making changes when they think it&#8217;s necessary.</p>
<p>Finally, as for the last laugh the so called &#8220;developer&#8221; or &#8220;owner&#8221; was talking about, Archive.org has a copy of the tech doc. Who&#8217;s laughing now?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31156/comment-page-1#comment-989898</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only have one question.  Going through these archives now I&#039;ve noticed that nobody updated the program since 2001. Yet there have been alot of fixes but no releases.  We also saw the fork OpenNap-NG which according to its webpage hasn&#039;t been updated since 2005. So why is everyone complaining about a program which hasn&#039;t been updated since 2001?  I think if the project owner wanted to take it down, they had the right to do so.  Even worse is when the original author abandoned the page and couldn&#039;t be contacted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only have one question.  Going through these archives now I&#8217;ve noticed that nobody updated the program since 2001. Yet there have been alot of fixes but no releases.  We also saw the fork OpenNap-NG which according to its webpage hasn&#8217;t been updated since 2005. So why is everyone complaining about a program which hasn&#8217;t been updated since 2001?  I think if the project owner wanted to take it down, they had the right to do so.  Even worse is when the original author abandoned the page and couldn&#8217;t be contacted.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31156/comment-page-1#comment-989869</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;. . .stopped using OpenNap after getting one of those RIAA notices.&quot;

Sending notices to people is dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;. . .stopped using OpenNap after getting one of those RIAA notices.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sending notices to people is dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31156/comment-page-1#comment-989866</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shameful, just shameful that it&#039;s come to this.  I was a user of the original Napster and OpenNap.  Stopped using OpenNap after getting one of those RIAA notices.  Thought OpenNap was gone for good.  Guess I was right.  The first napster was good but I don&#039;t like what it&#039;s become.

Also heard about the RIAA shutting down an entire town because one person downloaded a movie.  What is going on here?

Saw an archive of the original opennap page.  I do agree that it needed an update but if nobody is using it, then why bother.  I use other program like Limewire or Bittorrents myself.

BTW: I wanted to get both points of view and figured someone needed to say something positive about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shameful, just shameful that it&#8217;s come to this.  I was a user of the original Napster and OpenNap.  Stopped using OpenNap after getting one of those RIAA notices.  Thought OpenNap was gone for good.  Guess I was right.  The first napster was good but I don&#8217;t like what it&#8217;s become.</p>
<p>Also heard about the RIAA shutting down an entire town because one person downloaded a movie.  What is going on here?</p>
<p>Saw an archive of the original opennap page.  I do agree that it needed an update but if nobody is using it, then why bother.  I use other program like Limewire or Bittorrents myself.</p>
<p>BTW: I wanted to get both points of view and figured someone needed to say something positive about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/31156/comment-page-1#comment-989860</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the &quot;current maintainer&quot; of the project took control and all he found to do is removing existing tarballs and announcing a project that would comply with every caprice of the mafiaa. To put it bluntly, only destruction and empty words (that sound bad, so fortunately empty words only).  And you were expecting positive comments with that?

Now, what about leaving the project site as you found it before leaving and doing your stuff elsewhere? Doing the contrary would only prove that you never respected the original OpenNap and never intended to do something for the community to begin with. I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll delete everything, but if you don&#039;t I&#039;d happily apologize here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the &#8220;current maintainer&#8221; of the project took control and all he found to do is removing existing tarballs and announcing a project that would comply with every caprice of the mafiaa. To put it bluntly, only destruction and empty words (that sound bad, so fortunately empty words only).  And you were expecting positive comments with that?</p>
<p>Now, what about leaving the project site as you found it before leaving and doing your stuff elsewhere? Doing the contrary would only prove that you never respected the original OpenNap and never intended to do something for the community to begin with. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll delete everything, but if you don&#8217;t I&#8217;d happily apologize here.</p>
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