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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3273/comment-page-1#comment-8216</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Write a three-part compare/contrast essay that explores the similarities and/or differences between two items&quot;

Therefore, it is quite clear that there are several necessities to get a good mark.
1) You must compare and contrast two different items. Why choose something tht is going to be difficult to compare from the outset? Why not football and soccer? Shakespear and Hemmingway?

2) &quot;similarities and/or differences&quot; Surely to get a high mark it would be helpful and a lot easier if you had both, it gives you more to write about and allows a more advanced and developed style of writing to be used. For e.g. 
&quot;Initially many people thing X and Y are similar because of....&quot;
&quot;However, arguably they are very different because of...&quot;
&quot;Finally, it is clear that there are both similarities and differences, the common ground between the two can be best illustrated by...&quot;

Presto, you&#039;ve chosen your two clearly seperate items, and in three clear parts, you analysed a stark similarity, a stark difference, and then you&#039;ve provided another similarity, and given a clear example from it.

Does he do this. Nope. It is a poor essay. He got a poor grade. Deal with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Write a three-part compare/contrast essay that explores the similarities and/or differences between two items&#8221;</p>
<p>Therefore, it is quite clear that there are several necessities to get a good mark.<br />
1) You must compare and contrast two different items. Why choose something tht is going to be difficult to compare from the outset? Why not football and soccer? Shakespear and Hemmingway?</p>
<p>2) &#8220;similarities and/or differences&#8221; Surely to get a high mark it would be helpful and a lot easier if you had both, it gives you more to write about and allows a more advanced and developed style of writing to be used. For e.g.<br />
&#8220;Initially many people thing X and Y are similar because of&#8230;.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;However, arguably they are very different because of&#8230;&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Finally, it is clear that there are both similarities and differences, the common ground between the two can be best illustrated by&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Presto, you&#8217;ve chosen your two clearly seperate items, and in three clear parts, you analysed a stark similarity, a stark difference, and then you&#8217;ve provided another similarity, and given a clear example from it.</p>
<p>Does he do this. Nope. It is a poor essay. He got a poor grade. Deal with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3273/comment-page-1#comment-7701</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear Hear!

The essay sucks, to be sure. 

He has arbitrarily created definitions for piracy/pirates to mean one thing, then doesn&#039;t effectively compare/contrast to thievery/thieves.

Perhaps if he had contrasted &quot;Music Downloaders&quot; or &quot;P2P Users&quot; vs. &quot;Bootleggers&quot; or &quot;Pirates&quot;, he might have had an argument.

The teacher&#039;s comments were not judgemental of his opinions, just that he didn&#039;t effectively make his point, or any point at all.

It is an ENGLISH class after all. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear Hear!</p>
<p>The essay sucks, to be sure. </p>
<p>He has arbitrarily created definitions for piracy/pirates to mean one thing, then doesn&#8217;t effectively compare/contrast to thievery/thieves.</p>
<p>Perhaps if he had contrasted &#8220;Music Downloaders&#8221; or &#8220;P2P Users&#8221; vs. &#8220;Bootleggers&#8221; or &#8220;Pirates&#8221;, he might have had an argument.</p>
<p>The teacher&#8217;s comments were not judgemental of his opinions, just that he didn&#8217;t effectively make his point, or any point at all.</p>
<p>It is an ENGLISH class after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3273/comment-page-1#comment-7699</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, Steve wasn&#039;t failed for grammar, but on content. 
Second, if you would have visited his site, steve.mathcaddy.com, you would see that he left the mistakes in so that the reader could see all of his &quot;scratched out thought processes.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, Steve wasn&#8217;t failed for grammar, but on content.<br />
Second, if you would have visited his site, steve.mathcaddy.com, you would see that he left the mistakes in so that the reader could see all of his &#8220;scratched out thought processes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What&#039;s really disturbing is that he couldn&#039;t get this grade overturned.&quot;

I am a friend of Steve&#039;s. This was an exit exam, meaning that he didn&#039;t have to pass it the first time and it doesn&#039;t affect his grade. He does have to retake the test and if he doesn&#039;t pass it this time then he will fail the entire course. It&#039;s not fair, but then life isn&#039;t either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What&#8217;s really disturbing is that he couldn&#8217;t get this grade overturned.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am a friend of Steve&#8217;s. This was an exit exam, meaning that he didn&#8217;t have to pass it the first time and it doesn&#8217;t affect his grade. He does have to retake the test and if he doesn&#8217;t pass it this time then he will fail the entire course. It&#8217;s not fair, but then life isn&#8217;t either.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The student made an effort and althought the essay wasnt all that good, I think a c or a d would have sufficed. The teacher is just an ass</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The student made an effort and althought the essay wasnt all that good, I think a c or a d would have sufficed. The teacher is just an ass</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3273/comment-page-1#comment-7673</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Also of note is the grammar...how old is this guy &#039;supposed&#039; to be? My 11 year-old son can write a lot better than this guy! &quot;

Sorry, but I just don&#039;t believe that an 11 year-old could write better than this guy.
The ideas and expressions used are clearly from someone beyond an 11 year-old&#039;s abilities.
Secondly, my grammar has never been good and never will be, yet I have a PhD. So please don&#039;t go around demonstrating your own ignorance by judging people based on their lack of grammatical aptitude.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Also of note is the grammar&#8230;how old is this guy &#8217;supposed&#8217; to be? My 11 year-old son can write a lot better than this guy! &#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, but I just don&#8217;t believe that an 11 year-old could write better than this guy.<br />
The ideas and expressions used are clearly from someone beyond an 11 year-old&#8217;s abilities.<br />
Secondly, my grammar has never been good and never will be, yet I have a PhD. So please don&#8217;t go around demonstrating your own ignorance by judging people based on their lack of grammatical aptitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3273/comment-page-1#comment-7669</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO, the teacher has a point. The task was: &quot;Write a three-part compare/contrast essay that explores the similarities and/or differences between two items&quot;
And the student tried to explore the differences between &quot;piracy&quot; and &quot;theft&quot;, his points are that thieves and pirates have different intentions (which is just a baseless assumption), that pirates actually buy music after downloading it (I know for a fact that at least some don&#039;t) and last that pirates don&#039;t steal the physical item, this indeed is just splitting hairs because it is commonly accepted that you can &quot;steal&quot; ideas or information.

You might be able to make a point that &quot;copyright infringement&quot; (and not just &quot;piracy&quot;, because piracy has a variety of other meanings, some of which involve stealing) is not the same as &quot;stealing music&quot; but this essay was just dumb.

I would most certainly have failed this student, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, the teacher has a point. The task was: &#8220;Write a three-part compare/contrast essay that explores the similarities and/or differences between two items&#8221;<br />
And the student tried to explore the differences between &#8220;piracy&#8221; and &#8220;theft&#8221;, his points are that thieves and pirates have different intentions (which is just a baseless assumption), that pirates actually buy music after downloading it (I know for a fact that at least some don&#8217;t) and last that pirates don&#8217;t steal the physical item, this indeed is just splitting hairs because it is commonly accepted that you can &#8220;steal&#8221; ideas or information.</p>
<p>You might be able to make a point that &#8220;copyright infringement&#8221; (and not just &#8220;piracy&#8221;, because piracy has a variety of other meanings, some of which involve stealing) is not the same as &#8220;stealing music&#8221; but this essay was just dumb.</p>
<p>I would most certainly have failed this student, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3273/comment-page-1#comment-7667</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, it is very hard to restrain from calling the students teacher a total moron! 

So, I will NOT restrain myself - this teacher IS a TOTAL MORON! 

The syntax, structure and verbage of the students essay, DID have many good points that differentiated the &#039;modern&#039; WAYS of both piracy and out right theft. 

It IS forever true that the english language, writing styles, definitions are DYNAMIC - NOT static! 

Example - use and definition of the word gay. In the 1920&#039;s, in society there would have been NO doubt what anyone using this word ment. Today? Unless further followed with some other word, phrase or term, there is little most can do to gleen the intent of the user in use of this word. 

The same is also with &#039;theft&#039; and &#039;piracy&#039;. Both terms are under going a &#039;redefining process&#039; - yet to be completed, in both a legal and social use sense. 

Lastly, let&#039;s NOT forget this was a STUDENT! What did this teacher expect, another Hemmingway? 

To cite a further example in support of the above &#039;opinion&#039; (though some might label it &#039;arguement&#039;) - take the recently filed case over the song &quot;The Wall&quot;.

It was OK THEN for the band to hire a chorus of school children to sing background on their recording, pay them mere pennies, press the record, cd, video and make millions off mere children. 

So, these &#039;once children&#039;, now adults, have filed a lawsuit, claiming &#039;theft&#039; and asking for compensation from the royalities made off the record by the band, the managers, the agents, the attorney&#039;s, the record companies and others. 

So, is THAT a NEW definition of &#039;theft&#039; or to &#039;pirate&#039; and profit from the use of children? This is yet to be decided and along with it, new foundation in law and social impact. 

In this case, in conclusion, I support the right of this student to have picked the subject of his choice (there were no stated restrictions by the teacher) and voice his opinion in words on his &#039;dynamic&#039; preception of the meaning of both. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, it is very hard to restrain from calling the students teacher a total moron! </p>
<p>So, I will NOT restrain myself &#8211; this teacher IS a TOTAL MORON! </p>
<p>The syntax, structure and verbage of the students essay, DID have many good points that differentiated the &#8216;modern&#8217; WAYS of both piracy and out right theft. </p>
<p>It IS forever true that the english language, writing styles, definitions are DYNAMIC &#8211; NOT static! </p>
<p>Example &#8211; use and definition of the word gay. In the 1920&#8217;s, in society there would have been NO doubt what anyone using this word ment. Today? Unless further followed with some other word, phrase or term, there is little most can do to gleen the intent of the user in use of this word. </p>
<p>The same is also with &#8216;theft&#8217; and &#8216;piracy&#8217;. Both terms are under going a &#8216;redefining process&#8217; &#8211; yet to be completed, in both a legal and social use sense. </p>
<p>Lastly, let&#8217;s NOT forget this was a STUDENT! What did this teacher expect, another Hemmingway? </p>
<p>To cite a further example in support of the above &#8216;opinion&#8217; (though some might label it &#8216;arguement&#8217;) &#8211; take the recently filed case over the song &#8220;The Wall&#8221;.</p>
<p>It was OK THEN for the band to hire a chorus of school children to sing background on their recording, pay them mere pennies, press the record, cd, video and make millions off mere children. </p>
<p>So, these &#8216;once children&#8217;, now adults, have filed a lawsuit, claiming &#8216;theft&#8217; and asking for compensation from the royalities made off the record by the band, the managers, the agents, the attorney&#8217;s, the record companies and others. </p>
<p>So, is THAT a NEW definition of &#8216;theft&#8217; or to &#8216;pirate&#8217; and profit from the use of children? This is yet to be decided and along with it, new foundation in law and social impact. </p>
<p>In this case, in conclusion, I support the right of this student to have picked the subject of his choice (there were no stated restrictions by the teacher) and voice his opinion in words on his &#8216;dynamic&#8217; preception of the meaning of both.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmmmm....interesting how &#039;Steve&#039; can&#039;t spell the word &#039;thieves&#039;, amongst others. I thought he was allowed to use a dictionary?
Also of note is the grammar...how old is this guy &#039;supposed&#039; to be? My 11 year-old son can write a lot better than this guy!
Also....why all the &#039;crossed off&#039; words?? Did &#039;he&#039; submit it that way? And why would &#039;he&#039; keep the mistakes intact, even the stupid ones?
I think this is a scam.
Just a dumb kid that has problems with his teacher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmmmm&#8230;.interesting how &#8216;Steve&#8217; can&#8217;t spell the word &#8216;thieves&#8217;, amongst others. I thought he was allowed to use a dictionary?<br />
Also of note is the grammar&#8230;how old is this guy &#8217;supposed&#8217; to be? My 11 year-old son can write a lot better than this guy!<br />
Also&#8230;.why all the &#8216;crossed off&#8217; words?? Did &#8216;he&#8217; submit it that way? And why would &#8216;he&#8217; keep the mistakes intact, even the stupid ones?<br />
I think this is a scam.<br />
Just a dumb kid that has problems with his teacher.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>makes a change to have someone with a brain who actually understands the issues,piracy is NOT stealing it is a totally different thing, piracy means unauthorised copying i.e. without the creators consent and quite frankly the prices they try and screw people for of cd with a mear 10-14 songs on is outrageous screw them - pirate on dudes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>makes a change to have someone with a brain who actually understands the issues,piracy is NOT stealing it is a totally different thing, piracy means unauthorised copying i.e. without the creators consent and quite frankly the prices they try and screw people for of cd with a mear 10-14 songs on is outrageous screw them &#8211; pirate on dudes</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay, piracy may not be stealing--but copyright infringement is illegal.

also, he didn&#039;t support his opinion very well...i probably would have given him a low grade too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay, piracy may not be stealing&#8211;but copyright infringement is illegal.</p>
<p>also, he didn&#8217;t support his opinion very well&#8230;i probably would have given him a low grade too.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2004 04:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;piracy is stealing. he deserved the F.&quot;

according to the legal definition of piracy, yes, it is &quot;murder and pillaging on the high seas&quot;.   Yep, if you interpret the definition in the literal sense it IS stealing and he does deserve the F.

However, interpreting it in the modern vernacular, ergo copyright infringement, no, it is not stealing.

I hope they choose to overturn his grade, because it&#039;s particularly egregious that a language professor does not understand the nuanced difference between theft (removing a useful object from someone elses posession) and copyright infringement (removing &quot;potential revenue&quot; from a copyright holder... wait.. isnt that called CAPITALISTIC COMPEITION?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;piracy is stealing. he deserved the F.&#8221;</p>
<p>according to the legal definition of piracy, yes, it is &#8220;murder and pillaging on the high seas&#8221;.   Yep, if you interpret the definition in the literal sense it IS stealing and he does deserve the F.</p>
<p>However, interpreting it in the modern vernacular, ergo copyright infringement, no, it is not stealing.</p>
<p>I hope they choose to overturn his grade, because it&#8217;s particularly egregious that a language professor does not understand the nuanced difference between theft (removing a useful object from someone elses posession) and copyright infringement (removing &#8220;potential revenue&#8221; from a copyright holder&#8230; wait.. isnt that called CAPITALISTIC COMPEITION?)</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think she gave this student an F because she&#039;s narrowminded and ignorant when it comes to copyright infringement.  I doubt that she was influenced by the entertainment industries.

The essay wasn&#039;t that great, but he only had 3 hours to write it and sometimes when you get writers block, it&#039;s hard to write a good essay on the spot.  

This teacher obviously doesn&#039;t know the difference between piracy and theft and she had no right to fail him just because she doesn&#039;t agree with his stance on file sharing and piracy.  I think she should do some research and grade essays fairly in the future.  What&#039;s really disturbing is that he couldn&#039;t get this grade overturned.


Drake </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think she gave this student an F because she&#8217;s narrowminded and ignorant when it comes to copyright infringement.  I doubt that she was influenced by the entertainment industries.</p>
<p>The essay wasn&#8217;t that great, but he only had 3 hours to write it and sometimes when you get writers block, it&#8217;s hard to write a good essay on the spot.  </p>
<p>This teacher obviously doesn&#8217;t know the difference between piracy and theft and she had no right to fail him just because she doesn&#8217;t agree with his stance on file sharing and piracy.  I think she should do some research and grade essays fairly in the future.  What&#8217;s really disturbing is that he couldn&#8217;t get this grade overturned.</p>
<p>Drake</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmmm, it gets a little unsettling when you can apparently get an F for an opinion rather than for structure or writing style now.

TT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmmm, it gets a little unsettling when you can apparently get an F for an opinion rather than for structure or writing style now.</p>
<p>TT</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and?

piracy is stealing.  he deserved the F.</description>
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<p>piracy is stealing.  he deserved the F.</p>
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