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	<title>Comments on: Big Music: selling in schools</title>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m in the UK and the same problems are here too. Internet service providers are now being &quot;recruited&quot; to spy on their customers internet habits. The big guns will always find a way of squeezing money out of the music business, even if it&#039;s through court settlements&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the UK and the same problems are here too. Internet service providers are now being &#8220;recruited&#8221; to spy on their customers internet habits. The big guns will always find a way of squeezing money out of the music business, even if it&#8217;s through court settlements</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3280/comment-page-1#comment-7707</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, that protection is under financial attack in Canada and there isn&#039;t as many legislator&#039;s to grease to push through whatever the cartel wants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, that protection is under financial attack in Canada and there isn&#8217;t as many legislator&#8217;s to grease to push through whatever the cartel wants.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3280/comment-page-1#comment-7704</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not delude ourselves.

Just because you have files in your computer does not make you guilty of anything.
Not to those of us who live in a country with the presumption of innocence.

A copyright owner would first have to prove you have something of theirs to have the police search your computer for it. If they can find anything then they would have to prove the material is theirs and that it was acquired illegally.

Well, in Canada anyway.
In the US the music monopoly blackmails people who can&#039;t pay to appear in court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not delude ourselves.</p>
<p>Just because you have files in your computer does not make you guilty of anything.<br />
Not to those of us who live in a country with the presumption of innocence.</p>
<p>A copyright owner would first have to prove you have something of theirs to have the police search your computer for it. If they can find anything then they would have to prove the material is theirs and that it was acquired illegally.</p>
<p>Well, in Canada anyway.<br />
In the US the music monopoly blackmails people who can&#8217;t pay to appear in court.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3280/comment-page-1#comment-7689</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My school (EMORY) has, after only 9 subpoenas in the summer, instituted a firewall reminiscent of communist china.

The worst part was the complete lack of official announcement, because they knew how many people would quickly bail out of their housing contracts rather than put up with it.

It blocks legitimate bit torrent traffic from places like p2p congress (am am very heavily into politics), among other more grey but also arguably fair use activities on p2p networks.

They  have backed this action by lying through their teeth, saying the blaster worms were comming in through p2p rather than their actual entry through windows security holes.

Finally, after hammering for a whole semester, i got someone in management to admit the truth, but that still hasnt changed things here.

The students are up in arms, but because of the ranking of the school, there is no effective threat which could force their hand, as there are always 10 waiting for each spot which would be vacated..

The director of &quot;legal compliance&quot;, also known by the position &quot;local RIAA sellout&quot;, is talking about forcing us to pay for &quot;legal services&quot; in our tuition!.

I&#039;m a mac user, and 8 of every 10 players here are ipods.  the Crapster offered to campus residents in other cases has expired upon graduation, meaning loss of all the music you pay for, or perpetual pay per use forever.  Additionally, it lacks the &quot;priveledge&quot; to burn to cd.. (otherwise known as FAIR USE).

Crapster wma files dont work on ipod or mac.. I&#039;d be forced to pay for music which not only do i not agree with, but wouldnt even be able to use.   Itunes files only work with ipod.. so my friend with the archos device couldnt use that.

This &quot;protection from ourselves&quot; denies our very sentience as human beings, it insults our intelligence that our universities have decided to take OUR choice from us, and extort money from us under threat of denied education. (no diploma if you dont pay the bills).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My school (EMORY) has, after only 9 subpoenas in the summer, instituted a firewall reminiscent of communist china.</p>
<p>The worst part was the complete lack of official announcement, because they knew how many people would quickly bail out of their housing contracts rather than put up with it.</p>
<p>It blocks legitimate bit torrent traffic from places like p2p congress (am am very heavily into politics), among other more grey but also arguably fair use activities on p2p networks.</p>
<p>They  have backed this action by lying through their teeth, saying the blaster worms were comming in through p2p rather than their actual entry through windows security holes.</p>
<p>Finally, after hammering for a whole semester, i got someone in management to admit the truth, but that still hasnt changed things here.</p>
<p>The students are up in arms, but because of the ranking of the school, there is no effective threat which could force their hand, as there are always 10 waiting for each spot which would be vacated..</p>
<p>The director of &#8220;legal compliance&#8221;, also known by the position &#8220;local RIAA sellout&#8221;, is talking about forcing us to pay for &#8220;legal services&#8221; in our tuition!.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a mac user, and 8 of every 10 players here are ipods.  the Crapster offered to campus residents in other cases has expired upon graduation, meaning loss of all the music you pay for, or perpetual pay per use forever.  Additionally, it lacks the &#8220;priveledge&#8221; to burn to cd.. (otherwise known as FAIR USE).</p>
<p>Crapster wma files dont work on ipod or mac.. I&#8217;d be forced to pay for music which not only do i not agree with, but wouldnt even be able to use.   Itunes files only work with ipod.. so my friend with the archos device couldnt use that.</p>
<p>This &#8220;protection from ourselves&#8221; denies our very sentience as human beings, it insults our intelligence that our universities have decided to take OUR choice from us, and extort money from us under threat of denied education. (no diploma if you dont pay the bills).</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3280/comment-page-1#comment-7681</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have a copyrighted file on your computer that was obtained via P2P and missing the all important DRM &quot;protection&quot; you have no immunity, paying customer or not. IMHO that will not change. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have a copyrighted file on your computer that was obtained via P2P and missing the all important DRM &#8220;protection&#8221; you have no immunity, paying customer or not. IMHO that will not change.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3280/comment-page-1#comment-7676</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the RIAA-approved commercial services such as Itunes offer a very limited selection of music - therefore still tempting customers to turn to the P2P networks for their files - I wonder if paying customers would be exempt from lawsuits? 

If so, some music enthusiasts might even be willing to subscribe to a pay download service just for the legal protection it offers, without actually using it to download any files. 

Just a thought. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the RIAA-approved commercial services such as Itunes offer a very limited selection of music &#8211; therefore still tempting customers to turn to the P2P networks for their files &#8211; I wonder if paying customers would be exempt from lawsuits? </p>
<p>If so, some music enthusiasts might even be willing to subscribe to a pay download service just for the legal protection it offers, without actually using it to download any files. </p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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