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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3297/comment-page-1#comment-7820</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose this poses quite a few questions:

Well, how much are their actions costing, I mean researching and capturing data about alll these P2P sites, bittorrent, emule, DC etc is going to take quite a lot of work in itself. How much are they spending on capturing the P2Pers??

Also how many people who would have bought albums would now boycott them?? (Well I suppose that they don&#039;t care about because then they can always blame lower figures on P2P).

I mean how much do you want to keep paying these, in essence, &quot;heavies&quot;. And IS there actually any difference between these guys and the mafia?? I mean can anyone seeing the mafia shakin down a kid, wouldn&#039;t there be uproar?? But hey .. the mafia don&#039;t control the airwaves!!

When will more Artists realise that they can now market their product directly to their consumers over the Internet. I mean, they don&#039;t really need these people anymore!!

So I suggest that everyone stops giving them money, yes in essence a boycott, and goes and buys something from from an Independant, like Warp Records www.warprecords.com

Here&#039;s a great quote from Warp:

&quot;Bleep MP3s have an average bit rate of around 205kbps VBR, while the majority of MP3s found on the internet are 128kbps.
Secondly, Bleep music has no DRM or copy protection built in. We believe that most people like to be treated as customers and not potential criminals - DRM is easily circumvented and just puts obstacles in the way of enjoying music. Apple has even privately stated that they decided to use a weak form of DRM solely to get major labels onboard.&quot;


There&#039;s also www.soundclick.com - buy direct from the Artist, here&#039;s a quote:
&quot;What is a zero-commission store?   Unlike the other music sites, we take 0% commission on sales. All profits are kept by the band. The bands are also the ones sending out their merchandise. You as a customer have later the chance to rate the delivery. Was it prompt? Did the shipment arrive in a good condition? All customer ratings are available to all other potential customers. This open system works perfect for bands and customers alike. So go shopping!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose this poses quite a few questions:</p>
<p>Well, how much are their actions costing, I mean researching and capturing data about alll these P2P sites, bittorrent, emule, DC etc is going to take quite a lot of work in itself. How much are they spending on capturing the P2Pers??</p>
<p>Also how many people who would have bought albums would now boycott them?? (Well I suppose that they don&#8217;t care about because then they can always blame lower figures on P2P).</p>
<p>I mean how much do you want to keep paying these, in essence, &#8220;heavies&#8221;. And IS there actually any difference between these guys and the mafia?? I mean can anyone seeing the mafia shakin down a kid, wouldn&#8217;t there be uproar?? But hey .. the mafia don&#8217;t control the airwaves!!</p>
<p>When will more Artists realise that they can now market their product directly to their consumers over the Internet. I mean, they don&#8217;t really need these people anymore!!</p>
<p>So I suggest that everyone stops giving them money, yes in essence a boycott, and goes and buys something from from an Independant, like Warp Records <a href="http://www.warprecords.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.warprecords.com</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a great quote from Warp:</p>
<p>&#8220;Bleep MP3s have an average bit rate of around 205kbps VBR, while the majority of MP3s found on the internet are 128kbps.<br />
Secondly, Bleep music has no DRM or copy protection built in. We believe that most people like to be treated as customers and not potential criminals &#8211; DRM is easily circumvented and just puts obstacles in the way of enjoying music. Apple has even privately stated that they decided to use a weak form of DRM solely to get major labels onboard.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also <a href="http://www.soundclick.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.soundclick.com</a> &#8211; buy direct from the Artist, here&#8217;s a quote:<br />
&#8220;What is a zero-commission store?   Unlike the other music sites, we take 0% commission on sales. All profits are kept by the band. The bands are also the ones sending out their merchandise. You as a customer have later the chance to rate the delivery. Was it prompt? Did the shipment arrive in a good condition? All customer ratings are available to all other potential customers. This open system works perfect for bands and customers alike. So go shopping!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3297/comment-page-1#comment-7747</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The industry won&#039;t die.  There will always be a huge market of people to eat up the product.  Even when the product is terrible.  What they fail to see is the file-sharing community is a minority.  Most people are unaware of this struggle between net users who have been fed up since they had the ability to bypass the greedy middleman.  The file sharers are the few, and like has been proven through &quot;real&quot; mathmatics, have little to no impact of the bank rolls of these corrupt corporations.  IMO, they are only raising awareness to the fact there are free alternatives to get the same 1&#039;s and 0&#039;s that they over-charge for and over protect. The economic damage that will happen to these companies will be a result of harrassing customers (the would say consumers) with the law, changing laws to remove fair-use, and thier own legal bills resulting from constant legal action against people who were once free from attack due to thier empty wallets.  There was a time when any large industry would have seen the futility of suing people with no or little money.  How times have changed.  I&#039;ll bet that every $3000 the RIAA steals from a customer, costs them 10 times as much.  The justification is educating (putting the fear of the $law$) the general public.  They think that most of thier customers can&#039;t afford to dish out $3000 at a whim, and they are correct.  I don&#039;t have that in my bank account.  That should scare the average person enough, right?  That is a sticky bet to place.  When people who have very little are taken advantage of by the people who have very much, the very much sometime get more than what they expected.  They will need to secure corporate HQ&#039;s like embassies.  They mind find that they push someone at some time to the breaking point.  I hope this never happens.  If you take from the poor through [legal] force, then you also have to accept the possible response to fincially breaking someone.  All in all history will be written highlighting the many mistakes of the RIAA and MPAA.  They will never win this battle.  I don&#039;t think many religions state that the rich and greedy shall inheret the earth.  =P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The industry won&#8217;t die.  There will always be a huge market of people to eat up the product.  Even when the product is terrible.  What they fail to see is the file-sharing community is a minority.  Most people are unaware of this struggle between net users who have been fed up since they had the ability to bypass the greedy middleman.  The file sharers are the few, and like has been proven through &#8220;real&#8221; mathmatics, have little to no impact of the bank rolls of these corrupt corporations.  IMO, they are only raising awareness to the fact there are free alternatives to get the same 1&#8217;s and 0&#8217;s that they over-charge for and over protect. The economic damage that will happen to these companies will be a result of harrassing customers (the would say consumers) with the law, changing laws to remove fair-use, and thier own legal bills resulting from constant legal action against people who were once free from attack due to thier empty wallets.  There was a time when any large industry would have seen the futility of suing people with no or little money.  How times have changed.  I&#8217;ll bet that every $3000 the RIAA steals from a customer, costs them 10 times as much.  The justification is educating (putting the fear of the $law$) the general public.  They think that most of thier customers can&#8217;t afford to dish out $3000 at a whim, and they are correct.  I don&#8217;t have that in my bank account.  That should scare the average person enough, right?  That is a sticky bet to place.  When people who have very little are taken advantage of by the people who have very much, the very much sometime get more than what they expected.  They will need to secure corporate HQ&#8217;s like embassies.  They mind find that they push someone at some time to the breaking point.  I hope this never happens.  If you take from the poor through [legal] force, then you also have to accept the possible response to fincially breaking someone.  All in all history will be written highlighting the many mistakes of the RIAA and MPAA.  They will never win this battle.  I don&#8217;t think many religions state that the rich and greedy shall inheret the earth.  =P</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3297/comment-page-1#comment-7735</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;New economical forces could bring about a new &#039;Golden Age&#039; for Hollywood but, &quot;these same forces threaten to unleash a wave of intellectual piracy that will undermine the very foundations of moviemaking,&quot; Dan Glickman&quot;

it is called efficient information transfer at increasing returns to scale.

the marginal cost is negligible, but it requires a willingness to accept open standards and *gasp* give people what they want.

They want to PARTICIPATE in their culture, not simply &quot;consume&quot; it.

Your industries, mr. Glickman, have, in the mean time, forced us to it by making an end run on fair use via the DMCA.    Because under the DMCA we are not able to do as we wish with our purchased media, we no longer really own what we buy. 
YOUR group has stripped us of OUR right to individual property; not the right to distribute it online, the general right to govern what we buy.  It is being applied to &quot;protect&quot; our electronics from our evil tinkering hands.. how dare we as purchasers choose to add capabilities and interoperability to our devices and media.

Now its your turn.  Weve been taking it up the wazoo from your pet DMCA for 6 years now.  My right to innovate as a programmer is effectively nullified unless i pay kickbacks.   Now you get to suffer for a while.  I personally hope you continue to be more abstinate and blatant until your industry really does die.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;New economical forces could bring about a new &#8216;Golden Age&#8217; for Hollywood but, &#8220;these same forces threaten to unleash a wave of intellectual piracy that will undermine the very foundations of moviemaking,&#8221; Dan Glickman&#8221;</p>
<p>it is called efficient information transfer at increasing returns to scale.</p>
<p>the marginal cost is negligible, but it requires a willingness to accept open standards and *gasp* give people what they want.</p>
<p>They want to PARTICIPATE in their culture, not simply &#8220;consume&#8221; it.</p>
<p>Your industries, mr. Glickman, have, in the mean time, forced us to it by making an end run on fair use via the DMCA.    Because under the DMCA we are not able to do as we wish with our purchased media, we no longer really own what we buy.<br />
YOUR group has stripped us of OUR right to individual property; not the right to distribute it online, the general right to govern what we buy.  It is being applied to &#8220;protect&#8221; our electronics from our evil tinkering hands.. how dare we as purchasers choose to add capabilities and interoperability to our devices and media.</p>
<p>Now its your turn.  Weve been taking it up the wazoo from your pet DMCA for 6 years now.  My right to innovate as a programmer is effectively nullified unless i pay kickbacks.   Now you get to suffer for a while.  I personally hope you continue to be more abstinate and blatant until your industry really does die.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3297/comment-page-1#comment-7734</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan Glickman is a bubblehead. Him and his posse think they&#039;re making the slightest bit of progress. History has a big habit of repeating itself, and these nitwits will just never learn. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Glickman is a bubblehead. Him and his posse think they&#8217;re making the slightest bit of progress. History has a big habit of repeating itself, and these nitwits will just never learn.</p>
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