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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3344/comment-page-1#comment-7981</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the artical i just read sez DLTs onley go up to 40 GB and the transfer rate is onley 2.5 mbps. DVHS tapes are around 300 GB and the transfer/read rate is up to 28MBPS . a true high def movie takes up 300 or so GB,if its compresed to save space the quality gos down , dvds and satilite tv are compressed in mpeg2 and arnt high def so if you look closley at a dvd or satilite movie you can see the &#039;&#039;blocks&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;artifacts&#039;&#039; in the pickture even on a 19in tv. hopfuly DVHS will get more popular and cheeper .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the artical i just read sez DLTs onley go up to 40 GB and the transfer rate is onley 2.5 mbps. DVHS tapes are around 300 GB and the transfer/read rate is up to 28MBPS . a true high def movie takes up 300 or so GB,if its compresed to save space the quality gos down , dvds and satilite tv are compressed in mpeg2 and arnt high def so if you look closley at a dvd or satilite movie you can see the &#8221;blocks&#8221; and &#8221;artifacts&#8221; in the pickture even on a 19in tv. hopfuly DVHS will get more popular and cheeper .</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3344/comment-page-1#comment-7969</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2004 01:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D-VHS seems unlikely to take off unless some more companys adopt it.
There&#039;s nothing to stop people from saving their HD files on DLTs (or similar) now 
although they are expensive.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D-VHS seems unlikely to take off unless some more companys adopt it.<br />
There&#8217;s nothing to stop people from saving their HD files on DLTs (or similar) now<br />
although they are expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3344/comment-page-1#comment-7916</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DVDs=good money for nothing. I WANT MY VHS !..................i like dire straits :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DVDs=good money for nothing. I WANT MY VHS !&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;i like dire straits <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3344/comment-page-1#comment-7914</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why bother with dvds ?? they suck -they get scratched /broken and they arnt high def and they cant hold that much .i think digital VHS is where its at -its much better quality than dvd and it lasts longer . it is more expensiv tho but that should change as soon as it becomes more main streem . it allso has a &#039;&#039;super&#039;&#039;copy protection witch can be great or horrible depending on witch side your on -but im shur it can be disabled/worked around somehow.  :)    google &#039;&#039;digital VHS&#039;&#039; to find out more ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why bother with dvds ?? they suck -they get scratched /broken and they arnt high def and they cant hold that much .i think digital VHS is where its at -its much better quality than dvd and it lasts longer . it is more expensiv tho but that should change as soon as it becomes more main streem . it allso has a &#8216;&#8217;super&#8221;copy protection witch can be great or horrible depending on witch side your on -but im shur it can be disabled/worked around somehow.  <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />     google &#8221;digital VHS&#8221; to find out more &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3344/comment-page-1#comment-7886</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;unfortunately firmware is very hard to deal with.. requires extra leetness.&quot;

And so a new cottage industry is born.  And more &quot;raids&quot;. and more hatred of big companies. Where does it end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;unfortunately firmware is very hard to deal with.. requires extra leetness.&#8221;</p>
<p>And so a new cottage industry is born.  And more &#8220;raids&#8221;. and more hatred of big companies. Where does it end?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3344/comment-page-1#comment-7884</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a lot of players are going to get returned to the store as broken. Same thing happened with early game consols: they were so poorly made that lots of them were doa or stopped working shortly after purchase. Even some stores had their help return dead consols to other stores to get new stock when the mfg didnt honor warrenties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a lot of players are going to get returned to the store as broken. Same thing happened with early game consols: they were so poorly made that lots of them were doa or stopped working shortly after purchase. Even some stores had their help return dead consols to other stores to get new stock when the mfg didnt honor warrenties.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3344/comment-page-1#comment-7870</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes it does, but not every release can have every player banned.  It would be impractical to have archives.

The easiest way would be to alter the firmware to think it has a different device identity if you run into any trouble.

unfortunately firmware is very hard to deal with.. requires extra leetness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes it does, but not every release can have every player banned.  It would be impractical to have archives.</p>
<p>The easiest way would be to alter the firmware to think it has a different device identity if you run into any trouble.</p>
<p>unfortunately firmware is very hard to deal with.. requires extra leetness.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3344/comment-page-1#comment-7863</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually what they are saying is that the player is going to read a list of &quot;banned&quot; players from each disc it plays.

If the player trying to play the movie reads that it should prevent itself from playing that movie it will refuse to do so and tell the user to call &quot;tech support&quot; where they can be arrested for piracy (without dealing with such concepts as presumption of innocence).

Or you could just somehow make the player ignore the process of reading the list of banned players, or make it not ban itself anyway.

Shouldn&#039;t be too hard.
Could get involved if you need to alter it at the hardware level though.
And none of that nonsense about not having the legal right to modify your own player. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually what they are saying is that the player is going to read a list of &#8220;banned&#8221; players from each disc it plays.</p>
<p>If the player trying to play the movie reads that it should prevent itself from playing that movie it will refuse to do so and tell the user to call &#8220;tech support&#8221; where they can be arrested for piracy (without dealing with such concepts as presumption of innocence).</p>
<p>Or you could just somehow make the player ignore the process of reading the list of banned players, or make it not ban itself anyway.</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t be too hard.<br />
Could get involved if you need to alter it at the hardware level though.<br />
And none of that nonsense about not having the legal right to modify your own player.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3344/comment-page-1#comment-7846</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 01:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people have been flashing firmware on DVD rom drives to remove region coding for years.

Simply make a tool which will read a drive&#039;s firmware when new and &quot;fully authorized&quot;.   If and when the drive gets revoked, simply use the program to blank that firmware and replace it with your original saved version.

Some modifications for software based revocation or software based enforcement of revocation would be necessary, but this seems the easiest way to deal with their system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people have been flashing firmware on DVD rom drives to remove region coding for years.</p>
<p>Simply make a tool which will read a drive&#8217;s firmware when new and &#8220;fully authorized&#8221;.   If and when the drive gets revoked, simply use the program to blank that firmware and replace it with your original saved version.</p>
<p>Some modifications for software based revocation or software based enforcement of revocation would be necessary, but this seems the easiest way to deal with their system.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3344/comment-page-1#comment-7845</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, theyre talking about embedding a &quot;flag&quot; into the video feed which changes every few frames or so (to make it hard to find) and does not get lost in compression.

They can then look for this flag when they find files on networks and build instructions into their next release to disable the dvd player whose info was in the flag.

The potential avenues of attack, ranked by ease (none of them are nearly as easy as css was to crack) include firmware/software hacking to prevent response to ignore codes or prevent the marking entirely(i&#039;m unsure how easy it will be, but it is most certainly the surest way), a program to copy a disk bit for bit and remove any revokation instructions(not simple to implement, but possible), building a filter to seek out and destroy the flag during encoding (very hard).

This one actually has me concerned.  The attack methods will have to be subtle but also very complex. There is no guarantee at all that a universal crack will be developed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, theyre talking about embedding a &#8220;flag&#8221; into the video feed which changes every few frames or so (to make it hard to find) and does not get lost in compression.</p>
<p>They can then look for this flag when they find files on networks and build instructions into their next release to disable the dvd player whose info was in the flag.</p>
<p>The potential avenues of attack, ranked by ease (none of them are nearly as easy as css was to crack) include firmware/software hacking to prevent response to ignore codes or prevent the marking entirely(i&#8217;m unsure how easy it will be, but it is most certainly the surest way), a program to copy a disk bit for bit and remove any revokation instructions(not simple to implement, but possible), building a filter to seek out and destroy the flag during encoding (very hard).</p>
<p>This one actually has me concerned.  The attack methods will have to be subtle but also very complex. There is no guarantee at all that a universal crack will be developed.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3344/comment-page-1#comment-7844</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depending on where this is implemented, all that is necessary is to:

A.  Hack the firmware (easy in any case, there are massive archives of hacked firmware)

B.  Put the software through a resourcer program and modify it to ignore disable codes.

C.  Put filters in encoding or ripping software to remove the watermark during compression.

D.  Enjoy! =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depending on where this is implemented, all that is necessary is to:</p>
<p>A.  Hack the firmware (easy in any case, there are massive archives of hacked firmware)</p>
<p>B.  Put the software through a resourcer program and modify it to ignore disable codes.</p>
<p>C.  Put filters in encoding or ripping software to remove the watermark during compression.</p>
<p>D.  Enjoy! =)</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3344/comment-page-1#comment-7842</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who waste their time with such things as watermarking should not expect success.

Ooooooh, so it&#039;s REVERSED-watermarking such that the PLAYER adds the watermarking.
So fucking what? It doesn&#039;t have more of a snowball&#039;s chance in hell of working.

You know what?
All you need to do is bypass that part of the player to get around it!
And since it&#039;s YOUR player it&#039;s very EASY.

Either that or buy a player that&#039;s not completely stupid and that doesn&#039;t modify data on the fly!

(As a side note, statistical analysis from multiples players WOULD in fact produce the original version of the content, notwithstanding the gratuitous and unsupported allegations to the contrary.)

Would you like a broadcast flag with that? Why, no thank you, Mr. Jackass!
Personally, I would rather not buy a player that can block my viewing of arbitrary discs subject to the whims of multi-national corporations.

Besides, professionnal counterfeiters are going to copy the DISC not run said disc through a player and then record the output!

You can&#039;t have an open format and force ALL hardware makers to comply with your little schemes to make you rich. Similarly, closed formats are reversed-engineered, analysed and improved. Even if R-E is illegal in the US, who cares? Most humans don&#039;t live there anyway.

Competition dictates that the best player will be the one most used.
The player that supports the more useful and easy actions is arguably the best.
The lack of competition is monopoly or void.
Monopolies are illegal since they have adverse effects to society as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who waste their time with such things as watermarking should not expect success.</p>
<p>Ooooooh, so it&#8217;s REVERSED-watermarking such that the PLAYER adds the watermarking.<br />
So fucking what? It doesn&#8217;t have more of a snowball&#8217;s chance in hell of working.</p>
<p>You know what?<br />
All you need to do is bypass that part of the player to get around it!<br />
And since it&#8217;s YOUR player it&#8217;s very EASY.</p>
<p>Either that or buy a player that&#8217;s not completely stupid and that doesn&#8217;t modify data on the fly!</p>
<p>(As a side note, statistical analysis from multiples players WOULD in fact produce the original version of the content, notwithstanding the gratuitous and unsupported allegations to the contrary.)</p>
<p>Would you like a broadcast flag with that? Why, no thank you, Mr. Jackass!<br />
Personally, I would rather not buy a player that can block my viewing of arbitrary discs subject to the whims of multi-national corporations.</p>
<p>Besides, professionnal counterfeiters are going to copy the DISC not run said disc through a player and then record the output!</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t have an open format and force ALL hardware makers to comply with your little schemes to make you rich. Similarly, closed formats are reversed-engineered, analysed and improved. Even if R-E is illegal in the US, who cares? Most humans don&#8217;t live there anyway.</p>
<p>Competition dictates that the best player will be the one most used.<br />
The player that supports the more useful and easy actions is arguably the best.<br />
The lack of competition is monopoly or void.<br />
Monopolies are illegal since they have adverse effects to society as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3344/comment-page-1#comment-7840</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that the companies will be able to trace it back to the player, simply because how will they modify the hardware. It would require a connection between the comapnies and the individual player in question.  Better yet, so they can track down exactly which player was used and who bought it; however that person may not own it anymore, could&#039;ve &quot;sold it at a yard sale&quot; etc.  If the person is in another country this couldn&#039;t really stop it either.  There&#039;s no real way to disable the player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that the companies will be able to trace it back to the player, simply because how will they modify the hardware. It would require a connection between the comapnies and the individual player in question.  Better yet, so they can track down exactly which player was used and who bought it; however that person may not own it anymore, could&#8217;ve &#8220;sold it at a yard sale&#8221; etc.  If the person is in another country this couldn&#8217;t really stop it either.  There&#8217;s no real way to disable the player.</p>
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