Comments on: The [very] ugly side of DRM http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3363 p2pnet.net - reader powered Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:59:30 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: fuked http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3363/comment-page-1#comment-950866 fuked Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:35:39 +0000 #comment-950866 I bought this same dvd now in 2008 and no matter what i do it errors . Even downloading the new Interactual player it tells me to, it will not play. And looking all over the dvd it doesnt even have a big enough file to contain the movie ,just some small few MB files that are menus. so i figure I guess the real 1080p movie must streamed off the internet ? anyway even the updated player will not work and directs me to their page trying to SELL me a copy of a paid version of software to play it in 1080p.......I'm so pissed I will never ever buy a movie with Interactual Player crapola again!!!! I bought this same dvd now in 2008 and no matter what i do it errors . Even downloading the new Interactual player it tells me to, it will not play. And looking all over the dvd it doesnt even have a big enough file to contain the movie ,just some small few MB files that are menus. so i figure I guess the real 1080p movie must streamed off the internet ? anyway even the updated player will not work and directs me to their page trying to SELL me a copy of a paid version of software to play it in 1080p…….I’m so pissed I will never ever buy a movie with Interactual Player crapola again!!!!

]]> By: fred friendly http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3363/comment-page-1#comment-227631 fred friendly Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:55:33 +0000 #comment-227631 Actually my friend D.F. it was P.T. Barnum not Dub C Fields that said "There's a sucker born every minute." Ever hear of P.T. Barnum of Ringling Bros., Barnum & Bailey Circus? That's where the "sucker" part comes in sucker. Fred Actually my friend D.F. it was P.T. Barnum not Dub C Fields that said “There’s a sucker born every minute.”
Ever hear of P.T. Barnum of Ringling Bros., Barnum & Bailey Circus? That’s where the “sucker” part comes in sucker.
Fred

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3363/comment-page-1#comment-8069 Reader's Write Tue, 28 Dec 2004 02:06:08 +0000 #comment-8069 Despite what many in the mainstream press might say, Linux is gaining. Linux is gaining because people are FED UP with paying a lot of money for a little bit of functionality. Linux is free, and so is the music from independent bands such as the "Dead Roses", You people running these cartels, DRM or not, your days are numbered. If you try to choke out fair use on the Internet, people can still pass out CD's or record from audio out to audio in. RIAA and MPAA take note, because of your bullying tactics, I quit buying CD's and DVD's. I encourage other people to do the same. I say it is time to find the real talent out there. I have heard garage bands that sound much better than the likes of Creed, Metallica, and other overpaid artists. I download music which is given away by the artists themselve, and yes, if I like it, I will send money if there is a place for me to do so. Despite what many in the mainstream press might say, Linux is gaining. Linux is gaining because people are FED UP with paying a lot of money for a little bit of functionality. Linux is free, and so is the music from independent bands such as the “Dead Roses”, You people running these cartels, DRM or not, your days are numbered. If you try to choke out fair use on the Internet, people can still pass out CD’s or record from audio out to audio in.

RIAA and MPAA take note, because of your bullying tactics, I quit buying CD’s and DVD’s. I encourage other people to do the same. I say it is time to find the real talent out there. I have heard garage bands that sound much better than the likes of Creed, Metallica, and other overpaid artists. I download music which is given away by the artists themselve, and yes, if I like it, I will send money if there is a place for me to do so.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3363/comment-page-1#comment-8010 Reader's Write Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:01:36 +0000 #comment-8010 HA! I'm just glad that they don't have DRM in Kraft Dinner! Can you imagine??...Only have one bowl. If there are leftovers, DO NOT give the remains to the guy next door! Do not consume the leftovers at a later date. Do not put in compost pile. Do not share your dinner with the squirrels. DRM is a very broad description of a technology that WILL be hacked. The 'suits' might feel comfy cozy with it all, and lets let them keep their grin.... We know better. As the consumer, we will win. And the suits at the desk will eventually see this. Until that day, the 'people' shall rule. The Lounge HA! I’m just glad that they don’t have DRM in Kraft Dinner!
Can you imagine??…Only have one bowl. If there are leftovers, DO NOT give the remains to the guy next door! Do not consume the leftovers at a later date. Do not put in compost pile. Do not share your dinner with the squirrels.
DRM is a very broad description of a technology that WILL be hacked. The ’suits’ might feel comfy cozy with it all, and lets let them keep their grin….
We know better.
As the consumer, we will win. And the suits at the desk will eventually see this.
Until that day, the ‘people’ shall rule.

The Lounge

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3363/comment-page-1#comment-7958 Reader's Write Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:35:16 +0000 #comment-7958 This is because this is not what it is designed to do: it is designed to insert the DRM vendor as an intermediary in the communication between the creator and their audience. DRM is and will always be under the control of the DRM vendor, nobody else. If DRM obeys the copyright licenses of the recording industry it will only be because it is in the private interests of the DRM vendors to do so. DRM does not vest control in copyright industries! http://www.digital-copyright.ca/discuss/4285 This is because this is not what it is designed to do: it is designed to insert the DRM vendor as an intermediary in the communication between the creator and their audience. DRM is and will always be under the control of the DRM vendor, nobody else. If DRM obeys the copyright licenses of the recording industry it will only be because it is in the private interests of the DRM vendors to do so.

DRM does not vest control in copyright industries!
http://www.digital-copyright.ca/discuss/4285

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3363/comment-page-1#comment-7956 Reader's Write Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:21:09 +0000 #comment-7956 This is why DRM will fail. While the geek may be willing to fiddle about, figure out how to use proxies to fool the licence server, and install new software, the vast majority of ordinary buyers will simply return the disc as faulty, and will eventually stop buying them. If you make the product so much hassle to use, people will simply stop bothering, and will find other things to spend their time and money on. As ususal, the greedy conglomerates underestimate how much grief the customer will put up with, and alienate their user base. This is why DRM will fail. While the geek may be willing to fiddle about, figure out how to use proxies to fool the licence server, and install new software, the vast majority of ordinary buyers will simply return the disc as faulty, and will eventually stop buying them.

If you make the product so much hassle to use, people will simply stop bothering, and will find other things to spend their time and money on. As ususal, the greedy conglomerates underestimate how much grief the customer will put up with, and alienate their user base.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3363/comment-page-1#comment-7952 Reader's Write Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:30:26 +0000 #comment-7952 That is precisely why i don't buy dvds. I like that one response about when you supposedly buy a dvd you really it don't own but are merely being leased the content by the entertaiment industry. The only thing i have to say about your incredibly naive letter is : HOW DOES IT FEEL GETTING BUTT FUCKED ? you say that you are a canadian citizen and you don't have a clue how as far as intellectual property is concerned how fucked up it is in the united states. You are really a naive fool. Ever since the dmca was ratified and passed into law by then president (communist) bill clinton people lost their fair use rights to legally bought medium a long time ago. DRM IS THE BIGGEST SHERMAN ACT LIKE MONOPOLY AND ANTI CONSUMER FRAUD AND SCAM THAT EVER WAS. That can also be said about people like bill gates that would swindle a customer out of $100 or so for a copy of windows xp. As you well know bill gates is quite paranoid about piracy so this means a customer cannot make a legal copy of a very expensive cd rom. Every time people in the entertainment industry or any other powerful business interest feels threatend by other business competition they will shamelessly go to the us congress and ask for legislative "relief" from their business competitiors. This amounts to things that are anti consumer and smacks of stifling business competition by a sherman act type of business monopoly. Of course the united states belongs to the wto and they make trade agreements with the chinese and tiawan not to flood the us with pirated movie dvds and as soon as the ink is dry on the fucking worthless piece of paper the very said same people will flood places like wal mart with pirated copyrighted material by the box full. It don't take a fucking genius to know why the united states is lagging behind the rest of the world when it comes to technology. most people in the united states are too stuffy too old fashioned too fucked up in the head and they look at the rest of the world with horse blinders. There are a lot of people in the united states today who wistfully yearn for "the good ole' days " when american businesses did not have any global business competition. Look at the dates. IT'S ANCIENT FUCKING HISTORY...... It is bad enough that people in congress today will shamelessly take kickbacks and bribes from their crony friends in the entertainment industry but it is even worse that the average citizen in the united states is too ignorant and fucking stupid of the issues or most of them are too fucking apathetic to care. Most people did not get upset when the mpaa ran 321 studios out of business. The united states is one of the few civilized countries in the world that copying a dvd is illegal. To me that is a bigger travesty than the mpaa and the riaa suing people for illegal downloading. I really don't feel sorry for people like you is because you don't have a clue about life in america and the incredible greed in general in american business. LIKE W.C. FIELDS USED TO SAY "THERE IS A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE." !! DUMB FUCK............ That is precisely why i don’t buy dvds.

I like that one response about when you supposedly buy a dvd you really it don’t own but are merely being leased the content by the entertaiment industry.

The only thing i have to say about your incredibly naive letter is :

HOW DOES IT FEEL GETTING BUTT FUCKED ?

you say that you are a canadian citizen and you don’t have a clue how as far as intellectual property is concerned how fucked up it is in the united states.

You are really a naive fool.

Ever since the dmca was ratified and passed into law by then president (communist) bill clinton people lost their fair use rights to legally bought medium a long time ago.

DRM IS THE BIGGEST SHERMAN ACT LIKE MONOPOLY AND ANTI CONSUMER FRAUD AND SCAM THAT EVER WAS.

That can also be said about people like bill gates that would swindle a customer out of $100 or so for a copy of windows xp.

As you well know bill gates is quite paranoid about piracy so this means a customer cannot make a legal copy of a very expensive cd rom.

Every time people in the entertainment industry or any other powerful business interest feels threatend by other business competition they will shamelessly go to the us congress and ask for legislative “relief” from their business competitiors.

This amounts to things that are anti consumer and smacks of stifling business competition by a sherman act type of business monopoly.

Of course the united states belongs to the wto and they make trade agreements with the chinese and tiawan not to flood the us with pirated movie dvds and as soon as the ink is dry on the fucking worthless piece of paper the very said same people will flood places like wal mart with pirated copyrighted material by the box full.

It don’t take a fucking genius to know why the united states is lagging behind the rest of the world when it comes to technology.

most people in the united states are too stuffy too old fashioned too fucked up in the head and they look at the rest of the world with horse blinders.

There are a lot of people in the united states today who wistfully yearn for “the good ole’ days ” when american businesses did not have any global business competition.

Look at the dates.

IT’S ANCIENT FUCKING HISTORY……

It is bad enough that people in congress today will shamelessly take kickbacks and bribes from their crony friends in the entertainment industry but it is even worse that the average citizen in the united states is too ignorant and fucking stupid of the issues or most of them are too fucking apathetic to care.

Most people did not get upset when the mpaa ran 321 studios out of business.

The united states is one of the few civilized countries in the world that copying a dvd is illegal.

To me that is a bigger travesty than the mpaa and the riaa suing people for illegal downloading.

I really don’t feel sorry for people like you is because you don’t have a clue about life in america and the incredible greed in general in american business.

LIKE W.C. FIELDS USED TO SAY “THERE IS A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE.” !!

DUMB FUCK…………

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3363/comment-page-1#comment-7946 Reader's Write Thu, 23 Dec 2004 02:31:27 +0000 #comment-7946 BILL CLINTON DIDNT RATIFY THIS BY CHOICE, IT PASSED THROUGH A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS BY ENOUGH OF A MARGIN TO NOT ONLY OVERRIDE A VETO, BUT TO BECOME A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT IF THEY WANTED IT. BILL CLINTON DIDNT RATIFY THIS BY CHOICE, IT PASSED THROUGH A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS BY ENOUGH OF A MARGIN TO NOT ONLY OVERRIDE A VETO, BUT TO BECOME A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT IF THEY WANTED IT.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3363/comment-page-1#comment-7945 Reader's Write Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:56:09 +0000 #comment-7945 That is precisely why i don't buy dvds. I like that one response about when you supposedly buy a dvd you really don't own but are merely being leased the content by the entertaiment industry. The only thing i have to say about your incredibly naive letter is : HOW DOES IT FEEL GETTING BUTT FUCKED ? you say that you are a canadian citizen and you don't have a clue how as far as intellectual property is concerned how fucked up it is in the united states. You are really a naive fool. Ever since the dmca was ratified and passed into law by then president (communist) bill clinton people lost their fair use rights to legally bought medium a long time ago. DRM IS THE BIGGEST SHERMAN ACT LIKE MONOPOLY AND ANTI CONSUMER FRAUD AND SCAM THAT EVER WAS. That can also be said about people like bill gates that would swindle a customer out of $100 or so for a copy of windows xp. As you well know bill gates is quite paranoid about piracy so this means a customer cannot make a legal copy of a very expensive cd rom. Every time people in the entertainment industry or any other powerful business interest feels threatend by other business competition they will shamelessly go to the us congress and ask for legislative "relief" from thier business competitiors. This amounts to things that are anti consumer and smacks of stifling business competition by a sherman act type of business monopoly. It is bad enough that people in congress today will shamelessly take kickbacks and bribes from their crony friends in the entertainment industry but it is even worse that the average citizen in the united states is too ignorant and fucking stupid of the issues or most of them are too fucking apathetic to care. Most people did not get upset when the mpaa ran 321 studios out of business and how the MPAA was bragging about in the los angeles times in how they defeated H.R. 107 The congressional proposal that would have legalized dvd copying for personal use. The united states is one of the few civilized countries in the world that copying a dvd is illegal. To me that is a bigger travesty than the mpaa and the riaa suing people for illegal downloading. I really don't feel sorry for people like is because you don't have a clue about life in america and the incredible greed in general in american business. LIKE W.C. FIELDS USED TO SAY "THERE IS A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE." !! DUMB FUCK...... That is precisely why i don’t buy dvds.

I like that one response about when you supposedly buy a dvd you really don’t own but are merely being leased the content by the entertaiment industry.

The only thing i have to say about your incredibly naive letter is :

HOW DOES IT FEEL GETTING BUTT FUCKED ?

you say that you are a canadian citizen and you don’t have a clue how as far as intellectual property is concerned how fucked up it is in the united states.

You are really a naive fool.

Ever since the dmca was ratified and passed into law by then president (communist) bill clinton people lost their fair use rights to legally bought medium a long time ago.

DRM IS THE BIGGEST SHERMAN ACT LIKE MONOPOLY AND ANTI CONSUMER FRAUD AND SCAM THAT EVER WAS.

That can also be said about people like bill gates that would swindle a customer out of $100 or so for a copy of windows xp.

As you well know bill gates is quite paranoid about piracy so this means a customer cannot make a legal copy of a very expensive cd rom.

Every time people in the entertainment industry or any other powerful business interest feels threatend by other business competition they will shamelessly go to the us congress and ask for legislative “relief” from thier business competitiors.

This amounts to things that are anti consumer and smacks of stifling business competition by a sherman act type of business monopoly.

It is bad enough that people in congress today will shamelessly take kickbacks and bribes from their crony friends in the entertainment industry but it is even worse that the average citizen in the united states is too ignorant and fucking stupid of the issues or most of them are too fucking apathetic to care.

Most people did not get upset when the mpaa ran 321 studios out of business and how the MPAA was bragging about in the los angeles times in how they defeated H.R. 107 The congressional proposal that would have legalized dvd copying for personal use.

The united states is one of the few civilized countries in the world that copying a dvd is illegal.

To me that is a bigger travesty than the mpaa and the riaa suing people for illegal downloading.

I really don’t feel sorry for people like is because you don’t have a clue about life in america and the incredible greed in general in american business.

LIKE W.C. FIELDS USED TO SAY “THERE IS A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE.” !!

DUMB FUCK……

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3363/comment-page-1#comment-7944 Reader's Write Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:49:33 +0000 #comment-7944 That is precisely why i don't buy dvds. I like that one response about when you supposedly buy a dvd you really don't own but are merely being leased the content by the entertaiment industry. The only thing i have to say about your incredibly naive letter is : HOW DOES IT FEEL GETTING BUTT FUCKED ? you say that you are a canadian citizen and you don't have a clue how as far as intellectual property is concerned how fucked up it is in the united states. You are really a naive fool. Ever since the dmca was ratified and passed into law by then president (communist) bill clinton people lost their fair use rights to legally bought medium a long time ago. DRM IS THE BIGGEST SHERMAN ACT LIKE MONOPOLY AND ANTI CONSUMER FRAUD AND SCAM THAT EVER WAS. That can also be said about people like bill gates that would swindle a customer out of $100 or so for a copy of windows xp. As you well know bill gates is quite paranoid about piracy so this means a customer cannot make a legal copy of a very expensive cd rom. Every time people in the entertainment industry or any other powerful business interest feels threatend by other business competition they will shamelessly go to the us congress and ask for legislative "relief" from thier business competitiors. This amounts to things that are anti consumer and smacks of stifling business competition by a sherman act type of business monopoly. It is bad enough that people in congress today will shamelessly take kickbacks and bribes from their crony friends in the entertainment industry but it is even worse that the average citizen in the united states is too ignorant and fucking stupid of the issues or most of them are too fucking apathetic to care. Most people did not get upset when the mpaa ran 321 studios out of business and how the riaa was bragging about in the los angeles times in how they defeated H.R. 107 The congressional proposal that would have legalized dvd copying for personal use. The united states is one of the few civilized countries in the world that copying a dvd is illegal. To me that is a bigger travesty than the mpaa and the riaa suing people for illegal downloading. I really don't feel sorry for people like is because you don't have a clue about life in america and the incredible greed in general in american business. LIKE W.C. FIELDS USED TO SAY "THERE IS A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE." !! DUMB FUCK...... That is precisely why i don’t buy dvds.

I like that one response about when you supposedly buy a dvd you really don’t own but are merely being leased the content by the entertaiment industry.

The only thing i have to say about your incredibly naive letter is :

HOW DOES IT FEEL GETTING BUTT FUCKED ?

you say that you are a canadian citizen and you don’t have a clue how as far as intellectual property is concerned how fucked up it is in the united states.

You are really a naive fool.

Ever since the dmca was ratified and passed into law by then president (communist) bill clinton people lost their fair use rights to legally bought medium a long time ago.

DRM IS THE BIGGEST SHERMAN ACT LIKE MONOPOLY AND ANTI CONSUMER FRAUD AND SCAM THAT EVER WAS.

That can also be said about people like bill gates that would swindle a customer out of $100 or so for a copy of windows xp.

As you well know bill gates is quite paranoid about piracy so this means a customer cannot make a legal copy of a very expensive cd rom.

Every time people in the entertainment industry or any other powerful business interest feels threatend by other business competition they will shamelessly go to the us congress and ask for legislative “relief” from thier business competitiors.

This amounts to things that are anti consumer and smacks of stifling business competition by a sherman act type of business monopoly.

It is bad enough that people in congress today will shamelessly take kickbacks and bribes from their crony friends in the entertainment industry but it is even worse that the average citizen in the united states is too ignorant and fucking stupid of the issues or most of them are too fucking apathetic to care.

Most people did not get upset when the mpaa ran 321 studios out of business and how the riaa was bragging about in the los angeles times in how they defeated H.R. 107 The congressional proposal that would have legalized dvd copying for personal use.

The united states is one of the few civilized countries in the world that copying a dvd is illegal.

To me that is a bigger travesty than the mpaa and the riaa suing people for illegal downloading.

I really don’t feel sorry for people like is because you don’t have a clue about life in america and the incredible greed in general in american business.

LIKE W.C. FIELDS USED TO SAY “THERE IS A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE.” !!

DUMB FUCK……

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3363/comment-page-1#comment-7942 Reader's Write Thu, 23 Dec 2004 00:49:18 +0000 #comment-7942 EXACTLY!!!! thats why only stupid people buy dvd's! EXACTLY!!!! thats why only stupid people buy dvd’s!

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3363/comment-page-1#comment-7941 Reader's Write Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:38:53 +0000 #comment-7941 The letters WMV would have been enough for me not to bother buying it. The letters WMV would have been enough for me not to bother buying it.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3363/comment-page-1#comment-7935 Reader's Write Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:07:41 +0000 #comment-7935 "If a license is given and the content decrypted isn’t it clear that I’m the rightful owner?" I believe if the license agreement is read carfully you will find that it reads like a lease. You are not buying the right to own a piece of media and it's content, just the temporary right to watch/listen to it. Now THATS the ugly side of "DRM" as they call it. I call it pay to play... “If a license is given and the content decrypted isn’t it clear that I’m the rightful owner?”

I believe if the license agreement is read carfully you will find that it reads like a lease. You are not buying the right to own a piece of media and it’s content, just the temporary right to watch/listen to it. Now THATS the ugly side of “DRM” as they call it. I call it pay to play…

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3363/comment-page-1#comment-7934 Reader's Write Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:38:05 +0000 #comment-7934 Well, the ugliest side is the transmission of information about the usage of the content. Kinda freaky especially from MS and Majors... The saddest side is that if this kind of DRMed content is widespread, it will be cracked (I'd say it will be widespread when it will be cracked;). So why bother to spend money in DRM's that obviously discourage the consumer and that won't be effective. Answer: the fear of the piracy and the marketing of MS. Well, the ugliest side is the transmission of information about the usage of the content. Kinda freaky especially from MS and Majors…
The saddest side is that if this kind of DRMed content is widespread, it will be cracked (I’d say it will be widespread when it will be cracked;).
So why bother to spend money in DRM’s that obviously discourage the consumer and that won’t be effective. Answer: the fear of the piracy and the marketing of MS.

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