New p2pnet advertiser. Not.
p2pnet view P2P | Advertising:- Two things:
1) On Friday we had some unpleasantness from a reader
2) On Saturday I posted a story headed up New p2pnet advertiser, a now-deleted write-up on the Pinball Publisher Network’s Platrium games offerings.
1) My post on Platrium started, “As I’ve said a couple of times, I have no problem with advertising per se. I just don’t like the kind of garbage purpose-built to hijack user information. Can you says Fa$ebook? And can you think of any other names?
“To keep on keeping on, sites such as p2pnet have to find advertising which fits — nothing tricky, no spyware, easy to install and uninstall, all of which apply to Platrium Games which makes ad-supported – note ad supported — playware.”
And I thought I’d found a good ad partner with Pinball Publisher. The idea was: every time someone installed one of the company’s Platrium games, I’d get between $1.45 and 24 cents, depending where in the world the person was.
I had its ad and link up for the first offering, Bubbleburst, for three or four hours — until I saw a comment post from Jay, a fellow Vancouver Islander, and had a chance to read a couple of emails. They sure burst my bubble because ad supported is one thing, but tracking is another.
Jay’s comment post pretty much sums up the contents of the emails >>>
I wont be installing this game. I dont like that it is targeted ads for what I search for on the net. I wouldnt mind if it was a random ad for a random company but I dont like when programs keep track of what I search for and then use those search terms for ads. Im sure Google or other websites may use cookie information to track my comings and goings but I have cookies deleted on browser closer. But to have a program I install keep track of that info? Nope. I read through the EULA and it also says it becomes the default search browser. Im sure for some people this may help pass some time playing games and bring in ad revenue to p2pnet. But Id rather just send you the buck lol.
I emailed the company when I took its ads down and I’ll let you know how it responds.
Why didn’t I see this before I even began? I’m a writer and my ability to suss out things like that is zero. I apologise. But from now on, I’ll make sure ads are just ads.
p2pnet as a free service
2) On the nastiness, basically, a comment poster was suggesting I’m a) looking for hand-outs, and b) being completely irresponsible by taking out a loan to support myself and my family while we get p2pnet onto a firm financial footing.
I’ve been providing p2pnet as a free service since 2002, but last December virtually all of my income disappeared at the same time. So I asked for help from p2pnet readers.
“In his original reply to [a] poster, Jon mentions that he has received $450 some odd in donations,” says my wife, Liz, in a response. [I did the addition in my head and got it wrong. Actually, it was less than $400 at the time.]
There was a second Reader’s Write, but it was virtually the same as the first, except, as Liz points out, it also suggested I was looking for free hand-outs. So I deleted it.
Liz goes on >>>
I don’t know how those people who did contribute financially – and thank you to you all – feel about their contributions but I believe ‘donations’ is not exactly the right word to use. Jon has been publishing p2pnet for close to 10 years and he has provided this service free to readers, thanks to a changing roster of sponsors and advertisers.
Due to the financial meltdown in the US, as of this January, that situation has changed and in reality what Jon has been doing is to see if the readers of the site were willing to pay for the service they are getting in order to keep it going.
He has even offered extra incentives in the form of music tracks of his own and tracks contributed by musician friends.
Lots of people are having to shift gears with the recession and that is what we are doing here.
The Rupert Murdochs of this world seem to be able to monetize their projects but then their projects are not of the same spirit as p2pnet. So if you are a reader who thinks p2pnet might be worth something to you, again, thank you.
But it is insulting to Jon to say he is asking for hand-outs.
I’m not usually bothered by negative comments, but this really got to me.
But what started out as something unpleasant suggested another track which might help bring in some money while I get sorted.
My friend Crosbie Fitch has been developing a payment system for quite some time. It’s called 1p2u – one pence to you. It’s the orange icon at the bottom of the page and the service isn’t finished yet. But when it is …
Meanwhile, he had several ideas about how readers who want to see the site continue might pay for their reads.
Here’s part of what he posted >>>
Right hand column – sponsored by. Let’s say it’s available for a group purchase at $3,000 CAD.
A kickstarter sale is available at $3,000 for 100 shares at $30 per head. As soon as (and only if) there are 100 pledgers (when the kickstarter completes), the following month then fills that RH column with “This month sponsored by” and a list of names, URLs and 24×24 pixel icons to those 100 sponsors.
What you could then do is price it differently. Top of column large font: $200. Next 9 names medium font $90. Remaining 40 std font: $50. If no-one buys the higher priced options, you wait until the $3,000 is made up by more $50 sponsors, i.e. up to 60.
When the month’s over the right hand column describes the sponsorship offer and gives details of how to become a sponsor. Moreover at the foot the previous top ten names can be listed as some of those who sponsored the previously sponsored month. Sponsors are listed in order of signing up (not alphabetical).
I’m going to try to get something organised along those lines. Will that work, do you think?
For now, on the right you’ll see where things are at for the moment.
Cheers! And thanks …
February, 2010
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February 7th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
Hey Jon (and Liz
):
Do you think the person(s) who suggested that you are looking for handouts would be willing to work for free for years, plus put up with e-mails like that? I highly doubt it. Frigging ignorant.
February 8th, 2010 at 12:05 am
Jon,
Sorry to hear that advertiser didn’t work out.
“Why didn’t I see this before I even began? I’m a writer and my ability to suss out things like that is zero. I apologise. But from now on, I’ll make sure ads are just ads.”
I actually see this as the beauty of the net. While you didn’t catch that, someone else did, gave you the info you needed, and you took down the offending software. Information sharing at its best.
I don’t see why some people are so nasty; what’s wrong with wanting to make a living off the site? No one griefs musicians in bands for wanting to make a living off music, I don’t see any difference in that than from what you are attempting to do.
February 8th, 2010 at 12:14 am
I hope the new idea works out.
I really wish I could help Crosbie, but net-coding is really quite different, especially the wiki stuff and the wordpress stuff. It’s a different mindset. It would take me many months at best to have a vague idea of what he’s working on. If only he could write it in C or C++ I’d be able to help.
Thankfully, as I technically have two paypal accounts which I can’t remember anything about, I didn’t have to log-on to Paypal. I hate when you don’t use something for ages and then forget the passwords and security question answers and then have to call up tech support “um yeah, I can’t remember my password or the last time I used your service.”
Getting old sucks!
February 8th, 2010 at 2:35 am
“Getting old sucks!”
Hey! I resemble that comment!
February 8th, 2010 at 6:37 am
I must say – I much prefer the new boards down the RH side – now it is much more obvious what they are there for, there is a sense of purpose to them!
Hopefully this will all work out – most things often do in the long term. I’m sure that you will get some advertisors soon!
Good luck!
February 8th, 2010 at 8:55 am
I’ve just written the following comment on TechDirt in response to someone who has difficulty recognising that fans who pay an artist to produce new work are anything other than donors to a charity – simply because the public ends up benefiting as well as the fans.
The fact that more people might benefit from a work than those who commission it does not define the payment to be a donation or the commissioned worker a charity.
If IBM pays a team of programmers to fix a problem with the Linux kernel this isn’t a donation. IBM gets the fix they want in exchange for the money the programmers want. The fact that there is no state granted monopoly covering Linux doesn’t render this business transaction an act of charity.
If umpteen thousand concert goers pay umpteen dollars for a ticket in exchange for a band’s live performance, the fact that a recording of the performance is uploaded by the band to their website as a free download for the benefit of those who couldn’t attend, does not negate the fact that the band’s live performance was NOT a charity performance. Money was exchanged by those fans who attended for the performance. The fact that there’s a free recording doesn’t make the concert a charity event, nor does it mean that concert goers made a donation to a charity when they bought a ticket.
Similarly, that a thousand fans pay an artist $10,000 for a studio recording, isn’t transformed from ‘business transaction’ to ‘charitable donation’ simply because the recording is not constrained by the monopoly of copyright.
As for ownership. If you sell someone your secret recipe for super-cookies this doesn’t mean you have to erase it from your memory. Both you and the purchaser now own the recipe. Both of you can keep it secret or sell it on further. The same applies when you write a song or make a studio recording. You can destroy it (even try to forget it), or you can sell it. But selling it doesn’t require you surrender it. You’re selling the intellectual work to someone who wants it. The purchaser simply wants to have it – they don’t want you to be deprived of it. If bread could be copied as easily and cheaply as words, people wouldn’t require as a condition of purchase that the baker of the loaf must surrender or destroy their recipe, memory of it, and all existing copies of that loaf – instead of just providing a loaf to the purchaser. That sort of nastiness is only in the mind of the monopolist who wants to be the only one on the planet able to sell something.
Commerce does not have to be destructive in order to be recognised as business instead of charity.
February 8th, 2010 at 11:43 am
If your not self sustaining get a part time job to help out.
February 8th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Glad its gone. I couldn’t read the beginning of any of your stories with that damn red bouncing ball. I swear it gave me a headache looking at your website.
I mean that in a nice way though…
February 8th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
In a reply JioeBubba
http://www.p2pnet.net/story/34980#comment-997772
Jon says that subscriptions are a “good idea”.
Jon you disappoint me and anger me at the same time.
This is what Murdoch wants to do and what you have always said is the worst thing to ever happen; that news
should be free and not have a premium on it; and that subscriptions will kill free speech and the free dissemination of information.
If you do this, you are a traitor to the cause and can never be trusted again.
February 8th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
paid access to comments is a good idea? goodby free speech. hello berlin wall mark II.
February 8th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
@ RW: “If you do this, you are a traitor to the cause and can never be trusted again.”
A traitor to what cause, in particular?
Anyhow, if I ever tried this kind of system, it’d be up to people whether they wanted to subscribe. If not, not. It’d be pretty much the same as the music downloads.
With Rupertus Murdochus, there’s no choice.
Cheers!
February 8th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
What cause???? The cause of free speech and the free dissemination of information. THAT cause. Or did you forget? Having to pay for news – or even the ability to comment on news – isn’t free speech.
February 8th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
The word ’subscription’ existed long before copyright and used to describe the process whereby fans (aka patrons) who wanted some work to be produced and published would collectively and periodically ‘chip in’ to a fund to commission that work (subsequently published and free to all).
It is only now with copyright that ’subscription’ has been corrupted into meaning “If you don’t pay you’ll be prosecuted”.
A (non-compulsory) subscription (pay the producer to write and publish their work freely) is completely different to a pay-wall (pay the producer so you can read their closed, copyrighted work).
Whoever believes p2pnet is going to be so stupid as to hide behind a pay-wall hasn’t been reading p2pnet very long – and is probably a shill.
February 8th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
@ RW: ‘What cause???? The cause of free speech and the free dissemination of information. THAT cause. Or did you forget? Having to pay for news – or even the ability to comment on news – isn’t free speech.’
I do love people who start yapping about free speech and so on, but who have to hide behind an anonymous post.
I’ve paid my dues and then some, RW. Have you?
Cheers!
February 8th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
No ones asking you to “work” at this site if you can’t make a living doing it. Cease publication and work at something that pays you or work at something that pays you and do this for free.
February 8th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
That last rw comment above is not from me – the one Jon replied to. And yes, I’ve paid my dues and I don’t have to prove it to you or anyone else. Paying to comment or read comments is wrong.
And fitch, Jon said it’s a good idea, so who’s being stupid or naive?
February 8th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
RW, there’s a difference between saying that inviting people to subscribe to premium services is a good idea and saying that erecting a pay-wall is a good idea.
I suspect you’re being a tad over-eager to misrepresent Jon as a Murdoch wannabe.
February 8th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
I can see initial confusion about micro payments, but Jon and Crosbie made it pretty clear it’s voluntary, meaning you can still read the article even if you don’t click the pay button. If there is no paywall, wtf are you complaining about?
February 8th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
I am self employed to the most part myself, if i can’t provide for my family I have to go out and go back to working for “traditional” employers so to speak, it’s up to me to make it on my own and the same goes for any self emplyed person, no one owes them the right to self employment, they have to make it work by themselves or go back to mcDonalds.
February 8th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
RW, if McDonalds want their employees to continue flipping burgers they pay them. If they gave the burgers away the employees still need to be paid to flip them – otherwise they’ll be forced to get another job – no matter how much they love working for McDonalds.
The same thing applies with p2pnet. Even though the news stories are free for anyone to read or copy, if you want Jon to continue flipping those stories then you should pay him – otherwise he’ll have to get another job and p2pnet will grind to a halt – no matter how much Jon loves doing it.
There’s no shame in not paying Jon. It’s entirely up to you if you want him to continue. If enough people want him to continue enough that the contributions/subscriptions/donations/sponsorships make p2pnet affordable then the books balance and p2pnet continues. If not enough want to then p2pnet grinds to a halt. It’s your decision. It’s up to you if you value p2pnet’s continuation or not. It’s not a philosophical issue as to whether everyone should pay him or no-one should pay him. Only those who value his work and want it to continue should pay him.
This is beyond the likes of most online newspapers who have the crazy notion that every reader should be obliged to pay them, and prosecuted if they share or copy what they read. Paywalls cannot work, except perhaps for esoteric porn and stocks&share prices – which is maybe why newspaper executives fancy them as a solution.
February 8th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
@ “Paying to comment or read comments is wrong.”
Where does this come from? I haven’t said anything like it.
Good idea, though. (Just kidding.)
But I haven’t said I plan to make subscriptions an option: only that it’s a thought worth considering. If I did indeed make it available, readers could always decide not to pay, just as they can decide to download a song and not pay. Or they can start their own site.
“yes, I’ve paid my dues and I don’t have to prove it to you or anyone else. ”
I’ll just have to take your anonymous word for it.
Meanwhile, the style of these posts is disturbingly familiar …
Cheers!
February 8th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
anywho, I will find my news elsewhere, I want the news not a pity party and a threat to shut down every other week.
February 8th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Don’t slam the door behind you.
Cheers!
February 8th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
I’ve been watching this and laughing.
Is there another site owner who gets into it with his readers like this?
February 8th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Jon, I’m the RW who posted and that you initially replied to.
Please reread your reply to JoeBubba.
You did reply to JoeBubba’s idea (that comments should be a paid-for premium extra) that it was a good idea. He suggested it and you agreed it is a good idea.
February 8th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
” I’ll just have to take your anonymous word for it.
Meanwhile, the style of these posts is disturbingly familiar …
Cheers! ”
Very familiar.
Is this international “Anonymous Asshole ” day today, and I missed the announcement ?
February 8th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
@Dreddsnik
Yes it is AA day! Recording Industry Annonymous Asshole or Motion Picture Annonymous Asshole Day, that’s whom these people seem to be shilling for.
February 8th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Jon can provide a premium service in addition to the main p2pnet site, e.g. a news finder service. Perhaps one could pay $100 and Jon will answer any request for a list of links to p2pnet and other sites’ news stories that he is aware of that concern a particular subject or issue (for those who find Google too much hassle).
Consider premium services as ‘paid jobs’ that Jon can do on the side.
It’s a bit rich to say that not only should Jon run p2pnet without inviting subscription, but that he shouldn’t offer his skills as a premium service either. Do you want him to be a saint or a businessman? Should he do good work for nothing, or for the money of the people who want to pay him to do it?
Admittedly there has been a similar problem in the field of GPL software where some misguided people think because the software is meant to be free it’s therefore wrong to expect to be paid to write it. However, as Richard Stallman reminds us: it’s free as in free speech, not as in free beer. Similarly, Jon’s p2pnet news is free as in free speech, but not as in free beer. Once produced and published it belongs to the public, but that doesn’t mean its production isn’t worth paying for nor that it shouldn’t be.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
@ The Original Reader’s Write:
I did re-read the comment and I have to admit I didn’t read it carefully enough the first time. I was responding to this:
If I might be so bold, could I suggest that you ’sell’ subscriptions for $5 a month? I know you must have at least 4-5 thousand hits per day. Most people (in my humble experience) tend to shy away from open ended donations. Often because they feel that donating $5 – $10 would be too little, and would prefer not to be embarrassed by giving so little. Given that 1,000 people paying just $5 per month, would more than pay your bills.
Subscriptions would allow people to become patrons of p2pnet.
Then, Subscriptions would allow access to ‘premium’ content such as comments, blogs, spotlight areas, etc.. Registered users have access to the ’standard news content. I’m not suggesting a paywall…but a small charge for ‘premium’ access.
That wouldn’t work and I apologise for causing this confusion. My only excuse is: I’m always doing 10 things at once and in this instance, I didn’t take it all in.
The post comes in Keep on truckin’ http://www.p2pnet.net/story/34980#comment-997769
Cheers!
PS: I hadn’t seen Crosbie’s comment above when I posted this. “Perhaps one could pay $100 and Jon will answer any request for a list of links to p2pnet and other sites’ news stories that he is aware of that concern a particular subject or issue (for those who find Google too much hassle).” Certainly. Or I’d be happy to write 500 words on a given subject for $100. Or be a guest contributor/columnist for a certain period of time … Crosbie has good ideas. Or …
February 8th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Okay Jon. I accept that.
But what’s Fitches excuse for calling me an Anonymous Asshole? He’s d-head who doesn’t do his research before commenting, apparently.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
He didn’t call you an anonymous asshole. Now it’s your turn to re-read.
Cheers!
February 8th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Oops, sorry, I meant Dreddsnick. (Too many people throwing around the Anonymous Asshole comment.
Sorry Fitch.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Too many anonymous assholes.
(Couldn’t resist.)
Cheers!
February 8th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
Jon, if you really feel that way, maybe you should do like the other guy said and get rid of anonymous posts and only allow real names and email address (verifiable with a faxed or emailed copy of a current utility bill) to register and post comments?
(I couldn’t resist, either.)
February 8th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
The problem with anonymity is that the anonymous have no reputations to lose or gain – consequently their aspersions against others have no weight of a risked-reputation to back them up.
Anonymous is really only appropriate to those whose words have intrinsic merit, but where there is risk of unfair consequence to the author, e.g. being sacked or arrested for ‘inappropriate’ political activities. Unfortunately, this is rarely the case. However, the ability to post comments anonymously remains important for those few individuals who actually need it, and don’t use it abusively or in contempt.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Jeez, I can’t believe what I’m reading here.
Jon’s providing a unique and very useful service for all of us* and some of you pettily begrudge him sounding out ways to earn a living out of it, even when payment is optional. You tightwads.
To those that supported him: kudos amigos!
*Outing the corruption that Big Media and their puppet governments are shoving down our throats.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
‘Only allow real names and email address (verifiable with a faxed or emailed copy of a current utility bill) to register and post comments.’
What an excellent idea! And maybe a DNA sample to go with it.
I like it!
Cheers!
February 8th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
” Oops, sorry, I meant Dreddsnick. (Too many people throwing around the Anonymous Asshole comment. ”
hmmm,
I asked a question ie .. ” Is this international “Anonymous Asshole ” day today, and I missed the announcement ? ”
I did not make a statement.
Is there a reason why you feel particularly singled out by that question, as there are many ‘anons’ in this thread ?
February 8th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
@Jon,
DNA? Sure, what else? Just don’t clone me, we don’t need anymore people like me around.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
@ Cynix:
I can’t believe some of the stuff in this comment thread either. For cripe’s sakes, either donate (assuming you like the service Jon provides) or go read somebody’s else website, or go start your own website and run it for years without any expectation of reimbursement by your “customers”. I couldn’t do this last one, don’t know how Jon has managed to do it.
One more thing, Cynix
: It’s not “tightwads”, the correct term is “fucking tightwads”.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
One more thing, and then I’ll take my grumpy self away from here: yes, I have contributed some $, because I am sick of reading BS in the mainstream media and Jon calls it as he sees it, and that’s worth a lot to me. I can’t depend on the local newspapers in my city to give me the straight goods on stuff like p2p.
February 8th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
@ Dorothy:
I’m shocked!!! Deeply shocked !!!
At your language, that is.
Cheers!
February 8th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
I had written a very long and probably boring story on my take of all this. From the Pinball ad/downlaod that was up, to paying for p2pnet, to all the complainers about Jon asking for donations, to who/what should advertise here. I had mulitple windows open on dual screens and accedently hit the back button on the wrong page and lost it all………
so I went for chicken wings.
But Ill rewrite it the best I could and post it in a few.
February 8th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
@ Jay:
Were the wings good?
Cheers!
February 8th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
Dear Jay:
Please don’t bother. Your announcement of a non-comment was boring enough.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:06 am
@Jon:
So which word was it that bothered you? “BS”, “fucking”, “cripe’s sake”, or “mainstream media”?
February 9th, 2010 at 12:11 am
So.
I saw the ad for Pinball and their games. I googled it and game across sites mentioning Zango, Hotbar, adware etc. Im not saying that Pinball Publishing is or has anything to do with those things, it just made me read the EULA, and I hate reading those things. One part mention that its software may become the default search engine and the programs would use search keywords as a form of targetting ads, including adult content ads. Whether or not they filter those types of ads is not clear in the EULA. I always think that if a slider ad pops up randomly on my computer while Im on the net I think I am infected with spyware/adware or etc. Whether or not I am it just what I think and what I tell people. If the program/games just a flash banner or something like that like Windows Live and other messenger type programs have then maybe that is fine. Im anti toolbar also. No Google, Yahoo, Winamp, etc toolbar. Maybe for some people Pinball Publishing and its games may be a good form of release for people from the boringness of the net. It wasnt for me. Bummer it wasnt something that might have helped.
Next. I have no problem with Jon asking for donations. Most torrent sites, freeware sites/programs, etc have donation button. They dont keep bringing it up cause they probably make enough money from other endeavors. I dont think Jon has 300k in a paypal account. p2pnet is in essense Jon’s job. Not a hobby and just something to pass the time. I believe he is up very early in the morning scouring the net for articles that he can bring to one place for people to be informed of what is going on in the areas that are interest to people. Whether it be free speech, music/movie or other cartels, kids being sued because they downloaded their favorite artist. Mothers being sued becuase of things their kids or friends may have done, new products/software coming up, what the latest celeb gossip may be, and the newest funny cat video or something like that on Youtube. All of this, the hours Im sure he spends searching the net looking for articles, writing his own or adding his 2 cents to other articles, checking and answering emails, making sure everything behind the scenes is still running, oh and still having to deal with stuff at home. And doesnt receive a weekly paycheck (cept for the few ads) and so what if he asks his readers to help fund this website. The diehard readers here dont have a problem. The only people that have the problem are the trolls looking for it. They can go back under the bridge and read the local paper as it blows by.
….hmmm lemon pepper wings are good.
Anyways people pay for a monthly newspaper subscription or pay for it when they buy it from the store. So true some news is free as you can read it online but still sometimes you do have to pay for it. I personally dont pay for certain things on the net, I get annoyed when that option comes up. Donate buttons I dont have a problem with. But I dont want to start reading a story and then find “Please pay 99 cents to finish reading. (there was an episode of The Office that mentioned that. No one wanted to pay to read the article in the “journal” about the company they work for)…Anways people that like this site and like the stories and info it brings will try to help out if they can. Not because they feel presured but because over the years they Im sure have come to the realization that there is not a site like this!
Which brings me to my next point. There isnt really a site like p2pnet. I thought there were many but after I had a hard time thinking of 10 sites that are like this. I do read a few others, but after Jon mentioned taht the sites I listed where not like this site I had a look at those and realized he was right, they are nothing like this site. This site is in the top 5 sites of all websites I go to. It really is not like any other…..if you doubt me give me a link to another. Especially one that you know the “actual” person behind it and who can communicate back to you and allows all teh banter.
On with another topic. Who can or should advertise on the site. People dont click on banners, it almost a given. Unless maybe you might recognize the company/product etc. Ive clicked on TeckSavvy cause I was curious about who they were and what they did. Would people click on a banner ad from CdBaby? One of, if not the biggest place to sell/buy unsigned/independant artists music around. What about Gameforge out of Germany. They have thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people play their browser games. Im addicted to Ikariam. What about local Vancouver Island companies that may want to reach the world? Come and stay at http://www.wickinn.com/ in Tofino! Or many of the other places. Banner ads can bring in money to targeted people but how or what do you display/advertise to people all over the world? I dont know either, Im not in advertising.
….So yeah thats about it. To sum it all up. p2pnet.net is a great informative website. We as readers know what the site is. Who runs it and what is to be expected of it. If you enjoy reading the site, like it for what it says or stands up for then donate if you can. If you are unable to donate cash, then how about telling other people to come here and check out this site. Maybe they would donate. Or maybe they would tell other people….etc.etc.
If you dont like this site…well then it shouldnt matter cause you shouldnt be reading this anyways.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:12 am
FYI I didnt proff read or spell check….
February 9th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
From Dorothy: “go start your own website”
First, learn permissions, what they are, what they do, and how to change them.
Then find a web host that supports php, cgi, mysql, ftp at a minimum. Just about every paid host does, but a lot of free ones don’t.
Find a news publishing scrip you like.
Have joyous fun getting it to work on your web server. (remember permissions?)
Congratulations, your done! Now you just have to crank out relevant stories (not easy), try to get readers (again, not easy), and should your site actually get popular try to figure out how to deal with bandwidth cost.
February 9th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Sounds like a lot of work, even if you enjoy doing it! Heh, I am still trying to figure out permissions in Ubuntu and I have been running one version or another of it for the last 3 years!
Good luck with the Monkey House (I like the politician hall of shame idea very much – do you supply virtual pies to toss at them as well?).