Comments on: What’s in a Mac mini? http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632 p2pnet.net - reader powered Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:38:11 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8908 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:52:35 +0000 #comment-8908 Jan 24,2004 Hold Everything...As I read all the daily post's regarding the Mac Mini, I came upon information regarding an Apple Store (a Local Store) in Japan, the story quotes that they are selling both Models of the MAc Mini and to top it off, they are selling those Models in either a 512MB or a 1GB configuration. I have provided a link and a quote for that Local Japan Apple Store bellow: Please feel free to go there at: http://www.ifoapplestore.com/ Jan 22,2005 Here is the first photo of the Nagoya Sakae (Japan) retail store, which opened at 5 p.m. (PST) this evening. There was an overnight waiting line of 30 persons in near-freezing temperatures. The store is designed like other high-profile stores: two stories, glass staircase, Genius Bar on the second floor, kids section, etc. Download the store brochure (pdf) for some additional information. Both the Mac Mini and the iPod shuffle (512 Mb and 1 Gb) are on display and will be for sale at the Nagoya Sakae store. In fact, at the press event the entire store staff was wearing an iPod shuffle around their neck. Jan 24,2004
Hold Everything…As I read all the daily post’s regarding the Mac Mini, I came upon information regarding an Apple Store
(a Local Store) in Japan, the story quotes that they are selling both Models of the MAc Mini and to top it off, they are selling those Models in either a 512MB or a 1GB configuration. I have provided a link and a quote for that Local Japan Apple Store bellow:
Please feel free to go there at:
http://www.ifoapplestore.com/
Jan 22,2005
Here is the first photo of the Nagoya Sakae (Japan) retail store, which opened at 5 p.m. (PST) this evening. There was an overnight waiting line of 30 persons in near-freezing temperatures. The store is designed like other high-profile stores: two stories, glass staircase, Genius Bar on the second floor, kids section, etc. Download the store brochure (pdf) for some additional information.

Both the Mac Mini and the iPod shuffle (512 Mb and 1 Gb) are on display and will be for sale at the Nagoya Sakae store.

In fact, at the press event the entire store staff was wearing an iPod shuffle around their neck.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8906 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:29:18 +0000 #comment-8906 Jan 24,2004 Hold Everything...As I read all the daily post's regarding the Mac Mini, I came upon information regarding an Apple Store (a Local Store) in Japan, the story quotes that they are selling both Models of the MAc Mini and to top it off, they are selling those Models in either a 512MB or a 1GB configuration. I have provided a link and a quote for that Local Japan Apple Store bellow: Please feel free to go there at: http://www.ifoapplestore.com/ Jan 22,2005 Here is the first photo of the Nagoya Sakae (Japan) retail store, which opened at 5 p.m. (PST) this evening. There was an overnight waiting line of 30 persons in near-freezing temperatures. The store is designed like other high-profile stores: two stories, glass staircase, Genius Bar on the second floor, kids section, etc. Download the store brochure (pdf) for some additional information. Both the Mac Mini and the iPod shuffle (512 Mb and 1 Gb) are on display and will be for sale at the Nagoya Sakae store. In fact, at the press event the entire store staff was wearing an iPod shuffle around their neck. Jan 24,2004
Hold Everything…As I read all the daily post’s regarding the Mac Mini, I came upon information regarding an Apple Store
(a Local Store) in Japan, the story quotes that they are selling both Models of the MAc Mini and to top it off, they are selling those Models in either a 512MB or a 1GB configuration. I have provided a link and a quote for that Local Japan Apple Store bellow:
Please feel free to go there at:

http://www.ifoapplestore.com/
Jan 22,2005
Here is the first photo of the Nagoya Sakae (Japan) retail store, which opened at 5 p.m. (PST) this evening. There was an overnight waiting line of 30 persons in near-freezing temperatures. The store is designed like other high-profile stores: two stories, glass staircase, Genius Bar on the second floor, kids section, etc. Download the store brochure (pdf) for some additional information.

Both the Mac Mini and the iPod shuffle (512 Mb and 1 Gb) are on display and will be for sale at the Nagoya Sakae store.

In fact, at the press event the entire store staff was wearing an iPod shuffle around their neck.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8897 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:08:04 +0000 #comment-8897 Woohoo. Another machine that can almost be upgraded to something that useable. $600 on Newegg will get you a machine with more RAM, a better video card, and a faster processor. Shove it under the desk. Who wants to look at a computer, anyway? Hey Apple! IBM tried this years ago, and they had a huge loyal customer base too. It was called the PC Jr. Great idea, good looks, better graphics and sound right out of the box, small and user friendly with it's cartride slots. Too bad it didn't have any kind of expansion unless you hung oddball cards or doodads (aka expensive) off the sides. Sound familiar? Ok, fine. You could put a NEC V20 in the PC Jr. Sue me. Woohoo. Another machine that can almost be upgraded to something that useable. $600 on Newegg will get you a machine with more RAM, a better video card, and a faster processor. Shove it under the desk. Who wants to look at a computer, anyway?

Hey Apple! IBM tried this years ago, and they had a huge loyal customer base too. It was called the PC Jr. Great idea, good looks, better graphics and sound right out of the box, small and user friendly with it’s cartride slots. Too bad it didn’t have any kind of expansion unless you hung oddball cards or doodads (aka expensive) off the sides. Sound familiar?

Ok, fine. You could put a NEC V20 in the PC Jr. Sue me.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8895 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:14:22 +0000 #comment-8895 Personal computers (PC) have through their ca. 30 years history been based on various operation systems (OS) and hardware platforms. I personally started with a system called CP/M, then switched to DOS, and finally I learnt both Windows (95) and Macintosh simultaneously. For some years I used Windows, but along the way I found Macintosh to be the far more efficient system in getting work done without hassle. Presently so-called WINTEL systems (Windows operation system on Intel microprocessors) are dominating the market. Apple Macintosh computers originates form ca. 1984 and was the first major personal computer system with a graphical interface using a "mouse" for point and click. The Apple Macintosh system was the direct "model" for the "poor copy" (much) later made by Microsoft. In the mid 1990's Apple Macintosh made a major switch in hardware to the IBM/Motorola PowerPC platform developed for larger computers (not for PC's). Around the millennium (Yr 2000) Apple Macintosh made another big move by developing a brand new Operation System Mac OS X based on UNIX, a professional mainframe computer operation system used by universities for research or banks for their transactions. Apple Macintosh has always focused on the personal computer user achieving maximum computing power with the easiest possible user interface. This means the user achieves more by less effort. With an Apple Macintosh (especially on OS X) it is possible to easily move (clone) programs and data between partitions and/or hard drives. The system does not tie programs and settings into the OS making it difficult or impossible to move and relocate. (Windows users should know what I mean.) For an Apple Macintosh user buying a new Mac and/or a new hard drive is not a problem, because migration (or duplication) from one machine to another is extremely smooth and easy. So if I were to buy a Mac Mini today, it will only take me an hour or two to clone everything via FireWire from my present Mac (a Cube) over to the Mac Mini. The Mac Mini comes equipped with the fastest FireWire and USB connections, and it has a CD burner as standard, and a CD/DVD burner as an option. Since the Apple Macintosh hardware and Operation System is integrated and optimized for each other, the system speed is maximized. Finally, and most importantly, this system is less likely to get slowed down by spyware and malware, and i is also less necessary to use excessive constantly running anti-virus programs that further slows down speed. By design, OS X does not run any and every program introduced to it by a virus, but it blocks any such attempts before harm is done. It is correct that even OS X has vulnerabilities, and security concerns are discovered every now and then. It is probably also true that OS X is less confronted with viruses because it has less market share. Still it is a fact that both the Apple Macintosh hardware (based on PowerPC) and software (based on UNIX) is far more advanced and rational than WINTEL. So the answer to the original question why Macs have an apparently slow 1.4MHz processor speed as compared to Intel speeds of 3.0MHz plus is that this number only tells a very superficial, sometimes unimportant, part of the story. Even Intels own Itanium chips and also apparently slower AMD chips witness this, and Intel has already declared that they are no longer capable and/or interested in increasing processor speed any further. Apple Macintosh computers are faster in actual use than price comparative WINTEL computers regardless of advertised processor speed. Personal computers (PC) have through their ca. 30 years history been based on various operation systems (OS) and hardware platforms. I personally started with a system called CP/M, then switched to DOS, and finally I learnt both Windows (95) and Macintosh simultaneously. For some years I used Windows, but along the way I found Macintosh to be the far more efficient system in getting work done without hassle.

Presently so-called WINTEL systems (Windows operation system on Intel microprocessors) are dominating the market.

Apple Macintosh computers originates form ca. 1984 and was the first major personal computer system with a graphical interface using a “mouse” for point and click. The Apple Macintosh system was the direct “model” for the “poor copy” (much) later made by Microsoft.

In the mid 1990’s Apple Macintosh made a major switch in hardware to the IBM/Motorola PowerPC platform developed for larger computers (not for PC’s).

Around the millennium (Yr 2000) Apple Macintosh made another big move by developing a brand new Operation System Mac OS X based on UNIX, a professional mainframe computer operation system used by universities for research or banks for their transactions.

Apple Macintosh has always focused on the personal computer user achieving maximum computing power with the easiest possible user interface.

This means the user achieves more by less effort.

With an Apple Macintosh (especially on OS X) it is possible to easily move (clone) programs and data between partitions and/or hard drives. The system does not tie programs and settings into the OS making it difficult or impossible to move and relocate. (Windows users should know what I mean.)

For an Apple Macintosh user buying a new Mac and/or a new hard drive is not a problem, because migration (or duplication) from one machine to another is extremely smooth and easy.

So if I were to buy a Mac Mini today, it will only take me an hour or two to clone everything via FireWire from my present Mac (a Cube) over to the Mac Mini.

The Mac Mini comes equipped with the fastest FireWire and USB connections, and it has a CD burner as standard, and a CD/DVD burner as an option.

Since the Apple Macintosh hardware and Operation System is integrated and optimized for each other, the system speed is maximized. Finally, and most importantly, this system is less likely to get slowed down by spyware and malware, and i is also less necessary to use excessive constantly running anti-virus programs that further slows down speed.

By design, OS X does not run any and every program introduced to it by a virus, but it blocks any such attempts before harm is done.

It is correct that even OS X has vulnerabilities, and security concerns are discovered every now and then. It is probably also true that OS X is less confronted with viruses because it has less market share.

Still it is a fact that both the Apple Macintosh hardware (based on PowerPC) and software (based on UNIX) is far more advanced and rational than WINTEL.

So the answer to the original question why Macs have an apparently slow 1.4MHz processor speed as compared to Intel speeds of 3.0MHz plus is that this number only tells a very superficial, sometimes unimportant, part of the story. Even Intels own Itanium chips and also apparently slower AMD chips witness this, and Intel has already declared that they are no longer capable and/or interested in increasing processor speed any further. Apple Macintosh computers are faster in actual use than price comparative WINTEL computers regardless of advertised processor speed.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8888 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:21:52 +0000 #comment-8888 As I do the laundry and read this thread I can't stop chuckling. There are Mac lovers and Mac haters. The real world just wants to get work done. I demonstrated my Mac to two people from chruch last Sunday. We use 20 of them at my wife's medical practice. I showed them iPhoto, iTunes, iCal, and iDon't recall what else—just the bundled iApps that I take for granted. But for Windows users seeing is believing: both used my phone to order a Mac. within 45 minutes of their arrival. While I was pushing the "cheap" Mac Mini, one ordered an iMac 17" the other ordered an iBook 14". Both spent just under $2000. (Pundits still argue that the Mac Mini may, or may not increase Mac sales. The Mac mini is what caused these two to consider a Mac!) Friday I helped one upgrade using Move2Mac. (He is a happy Windows 98 user, just wanted to get a laptop.) The Move2Mac cable and PC/Mac software connected the two systems and we copied all of his data files. Move2Mac put them in proper places on the Mac. Music, photos, MS Word docs, Excel docs, etc. Like everything Mac, it just worked. This was my first experience with the two iWork apps (Pages = MS Word and Keynote = PowerPoint). All of his documents opened flawlessly. The integration of these apps with iPhoto is AMAZING. Typical Mac: click one button and you can access all media (photos, music, etc.) from within the Pages application. Drag and drop, not copy and paste. Resize the photo and text wraps to accomodate, automatically. The 50+ templates make Pages extremely useful for those who just want to get work done. Saturday I upgraded the second friend. He can't access his data as his PC is locked up with all those viruses and spyware that are so easily avoided by PC experts. He will have to spend about $100-200 getting his PC working (paying one of those PC experts) so he can access his data files... that was his reason for buying a Mac. I gave them a one hour introduction to the features of Mac... #2's spouse, who arrived with a frown, left as one very happy Mac convert. She saw in 10 minutes what those of us who use Macs already know. If you want to get work done, buy a Mac. If you want to bit fiddle, buy a PC. (PS if you want to bit fiddle on a Mac open the Unix Teminal Window and flip switches and run command line code all day long... for me, I just want to get work done!) Mac Mini is a reasonable box. It is fast enough for most users. I see no more excuses for Windows users to hide behind cost as an issue. I leave a more technical review for the expert: http://www.macintouch.com/macmini/review.html As I do the laundry and read this thread I can’t stop chuckling. There are Mac lovers and Mac haters. The real world just wants to get work done.

I demonstrated my Mac to two people from chruch last Sunday. We use 20 of them at my wife’s medical practice. I showed them iPhoto, iTunes, iCal, and iDon’t recall what else—just the bundled iApps that I take for granted.

But for Windows users seeing is believing: both used my phone to order a Mac. within 45 minutes of their arrival. While I was pushing the “cheap” Mac Mini, one ordered an iMac 17″ the other ordered an iBook 14″. Both spent just under $2000. (Pundits still argue that the Mac Mini may, or may not increase Mac sales. The Mac mini is what caused these two to consider a Mac!)

Friday I helped one upgrade using Move2Mac. (He is a happy Windows 98 user, just wanted to get a laptop.) The Move2Mac cable and PC/Mac software connected the two systems and we copied all of his data files. Move2Mac put them in proper places on the Mac. Music, photos, MS Word docs, Excel docs, etc. Like everything Mac, it just worked.

This was my first experience with the two iWork apps (Pages = MS Word and Keynote = PowerPoint). All of his documents opened flawlessly. The integration of these apps with iPhoto is AMAZING. Typical Mac: click one button and you can access all media (photos, music, etc.) from within the Pages application. Drag and drop, not copy and paste. Resize the photo and text wraps to accomodate, automatically. The 50+ templates make Pages extremely useful for those who just want to get work done.

Saturday I upgraded the second friend. He can’t access his data as his PC is locked up with all those viruses and spyware that are so easily avoided by PC experts. He will have to spend about $100-200 getting his PC working (paying one of those PC experts) so he can access his data files… that was his reason for buying a Mac.

I gave them a one hour introduction to the features of Mac… #2’s spouse, who arrived with a frown, left as one very happy Mac convert. She saw in 10 minutes what those of us who use Macs already know. If you want to get work done, buy a Mac. If you want to bit fiddle, buy a PC.

(PS if you want to bit fiddle on a Mac open the Unix Teminal Window and flip switches and run command line code all day long… for me, I just want to get work done!)

Mac Mini is a reasonable box. It is fast enough for most users. I see no more excuses for Windows users to hide behind cost as an issue.

I leave a more technical review for the expert:
http://www.macintouch.com/macmini/review.html

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8886 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:37:55 +0000 #comment-8886 Jan 23,2004 Mac Mini will float but not fly due to limited Memory Options! It seems that Apple has created a link to the online Apple Store to configure your Mac Mini with lots of extras. One of the most important extras would be more RAM. Apple says no problem, just go to the 24/7 Online Apple Store and configure you Mac Mini to your liking ! However, they only allow Mac Mini with different upgrades to be sold via the Online Store with free shipping. Why has'nt Apple supplied it's Local Apple Stores with any Mac Mini with 512MB or 1GB or Ram. I mean the upgrade is so cheap $75 for 512MB installed in a Mac Mini. They limit your configurations to the Online Apple Store, because the Local Apple Stores don't have any 512MB in either Mac Mini However, some of you have no problem just ordering online with a Credit Card, and waiting 3 to 4 weeks for Mac Mini. Some of us don't have Credit Cards, and would love to walk into one of the Local Apple Stores and leave with a Mac Mini in hand with whatever upgrade is in stock. I can tell you flat out, that more RAM will be as much of a demand as will the DVD CD Burners. Will Apple come to it's senses ! Will Apple see the Light at the end of it's users tunnel ?? I would love to hear from others who would like to start a petition requesting Apple to Provide Local Apple Stores with more configurations of the Mac Mini. Thanks, easywind Jan 23,2004
Mac Mini will float but not fly due to limited Memory Options!
It seems that Apple has created a link to the online Apple Store to configure your Mac Mini with lots of extras. One of the most important extras would be more RAM.

Apple says no problem, just go to the 24/7 Online Apple Store and configure you Mac Mini to your liking !
However, they only allow Mac Mini with different upgrades to be sold via the Online Store with free shipping.

Why has’nt Apple supplied it’s Local Apple Stores with any Mac Mini with 512MB or 1GB or Ram. I mean the upgrade is so cheap $75 for 512MB installed in a Mac Mini. They limit your configurations to the Online Apple Store, because the Local Apple Stores don’t have any 512MB in either Mac Mini

However, some of you have no problem just ordering online with a Credit Card, and waiting 3 to 4 weeks for Mac Mini. Some of us don’t have Credit Cards, and would love to walk into one of the Local Apple Stores and leave with a Mac Mini in hand with whatever upgrade is in stock. I can tell you flat out, that more RAM will be as much of a demand as will the DVD CD Burners.

Will Apple come to it’s senses ! Will Apple see the Light at the end of it’s users tunnel ??

I would love to hear from others who would like to start a petition requesting Apple to Provide Local Apple Stores with more configurations of the Mac Mini.

Thanks,
easywind

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8885 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:35:06 +0000 #comment-8885 Jan 23,2004 Mac Mini will float but not fly due to limited Memory Options! It seems that Apple has created a link to the online Apple Store to configure your Mac Mini with lots of extras. One of the most important extras would be more RAM. Apple says no problem, just go to the 24/7 Online Apple Store and configure you Mac Mini to your liking ! However, they only allow Mac Mini with different upgrades to be sold via the Online Store with free shipping. Why has'nt Apple supplied it's Local Apple Stores with any Mac Mini with 512MB or 1GB or Ram. I mean the upgrade is so cheap $75 for 512MB installed in a Mac Mini. They limit your configurations to the Online Apple Store, because the Local Apple Stores don't have any 512MB in either Mac Mini However, some of you have no problem just ordering online with a Credit Card, and waiting 3 to 4 weeks for Mac Mini. Some of us don't have Credit Cards, and would love to walk into one of the Local Apple Stores and leave with a Mac Mini in hand with whatever upgrade is in stock. I can tell you flat out, that more RAM will be as much of a demand as will the DVD CD Burners. Will Apple come to it's senses ! Will Apple see the Light at the end of it's users tunnel ?? I would love to hear from others who would like to start a petition requesting Apple to Provide Local Apple Stores with more configurations of the Mac Mini. Thanks, easywind Jan 23,2004
Mac Mini will float but not fly due to limited Memory Options!
It seems that Apple has created a link to the online Apple Store to configure your Mac Mini with lots of extras. One of the most important extras would be more RAM.

Apple says no problem, just go to the 24/7 Online Apple Store and configure you Mac Mini to your liking !
However, they only allow Mac Mini with different upgrades to be sold via the Online Store with free shipping.

Why has’nt Apple supplied it’s Local Apple Stores with any Mac Mini with 512MB or 1GB or Ram. I mean the upgrade is so cheap $75 for 512MB installed in a Mac Mini. They limit your configurations to the Online Apple Store, because the Local Apple Stores don’t have any 512MB in either Mac Mini

However, some of you have no problem just ordering online with a Credit Card, and waiting 3 to 4 weeks for Mac Mini. Some of us don’t have Credit Cards, and would love to walk into one of the Local Apple Stores and leave with a Mac Mini in hand with whatever upgrade is in stock. I can tell you flat out, that more RAM will be as much of a demand as will the DVD CD Burners.

Will Apple come to it’s senses ! Will Apple see the Light at the end of it’s users tunnel ??

I would love to hear from others who would like to start a petition requesting Apple to Provide Local Apple Stores with more configurations of the Mac Mini.

Thanks,
easywind

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8881 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:47:46 +0000 #comment-8881 I think the record number of operating systems on a PC is 64. There was a article in MaximumPC Mag a few years ago. Who cares, the machines are completely different and can't be compared. BTW I run Mandrake on both the PC and the Mac. I guess you could compare them when you run the same OS but why bother? It's like comparing Ford trucks to Chevy trucks, you have Ford people, Chevy people and people who just buy trucks. I think the record number of operating systems on a PC is 64. There was a article in MaximumPC Mag a few years ago.
Who cares, the machines are completely different and can’t be compared. BTW I run Mandrake on both the PC and the Mac. I guess you could compare them when you run the same OS but why bother? It’s like comparing Ford trucks to Chevy trucks, you have Ford people, Chevy people and people who just buy trucks.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8877 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:43:10 +0000 #comment-8877 Because 90% of its processing power isn't bogged down with spyware and pisspoor code? I'm a PC user -- and I'm sick of the bull that had me buy what everyone else got. My dumbass neighbor who said I had to get a Dell so I could use Word didn't know crap. Now I see Word is on the Mac and has been for a long time, like Excel and Powerpoint. I can even use Firefox. Too bad Macs can't run Half Life. About the only flaw I've found. After using iTunes for a few months, man -- if that what the Apple snobs get to use, I'll buy a Mac. Maybe not this mini -- I want a larger hard drive. Or maybe just this thing with my 1394 drives. I LIKE stuff that works. This Dell's a dog, and it don't hunt worth a shi*. Anyone want a doorstop? Maybe if VB script kiddies don't have Outlook and other MS headaches on the Apple, it'll take them longer to drag that box down. I bet 1.4 Ghz that's not choked is a whole lot better than 3 Ghz with the virus of the day. Because 90% of its processing power isn’t bogged down with spyware and pisspoor code?

I’m a PC user — and I’m sick of the bull that had me buy what everyone else got. My dumbass neighbor who said I had to get a Dell so I could use Word didn’t know crap. Now I see Word is on the Mac and has been for a long time, like Excel and Powerpoint. I can even use Firefox. Too bad Macs can’t run Half Life. About the only flaw I’ve found.

After using iTunes for a few months, man — if that what the Apple snobs get to use, I’ll buy a Mac. Maybe not this mini — I want a larger hard drive. Or maybe just this thing with my 1394 drives. I LIKE stuff that works. This Dell’s a dog, and it don’t hunt worth a shi*. Anyone want a doorstop? Maybe if VB script kiddies don’t have Outlook and other MS headaches on the Apple, it’ll take them longer to drag that box down.

I bet 1.4 Ghz that’s not choked is a whole lot better than 3 Ghz with the virus of the day.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8876 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:22:34 +0000 #comment-8876 Looks like most of the salvos here are from PC geeks with inferiority complexes, not Mac snobs. Always hardest to look in the mirror, isn't it? All I know is I own a PC and it sucks. My Mac -- doesn't suck as much. I'd rather buy something that works and get stuff done than something that 'everyone else' buys because they are afraid to stray from the pack. And talk about sucking: I think I hate my HP because of Winblows ME. Or maybe it was Win2k with all the spyware. Or maybe it's XP that I had to pay as much for as Mac OS 10.3. Hey -- maybe they all suck? Looks like most of the salvos here are from PC geeks with inferiority complexes, not Mac snobs. Always hardest to look in the mirror, isn’t it? All I know is I own a PC and it sucks. My Mac — doesn’t suck as much. I’d rather buy something that works and get stuff done than something that ‘everyone else’ buys because they are afraid to stray from the pack.

And talk about sucking: I think I hate my HP because of Winblows ME. Or maybe it was Win2k with all the spyware. Or maybe it’s XP that I had to pay as much for as Mac OS 10.3.

Hey — maybe they all suck?

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8874 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:26:30 +0000 #comment-8874 Yes, thank you for clarifying! My comment, tho, is why does someone ALWAYS have to explain this difference? 'Course, it makes more sense when you consider that companies pay employees to post reviews and comments that masquerade as average joe comments. So sad that Microsoft employees ghost post. What, are you worried, guys? Yes, thank you for clarifying! My comment, tho, is why does someone ALWAYS have to explain this difference? ‘Course, it makes more sense when you consider that companies pay employees to post reviews and comments that masquerade as average joe comments.

So sad that Microsoft employees ghost post. What, are you worried, guys?

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8872 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:03:21 +0000 #comment-8872 "Then throw in Linux, for free, which is as good if not better than OSX." Where did you read that you have to pay for Linux on Mac hardware? Actually, you can buy Mac hardware with Linux pre-installed in dual-boot with OS X from terrasoftsolutions.com. Your sentence is like saying: Buy a Mac. Through in Linux, for free, which is as good if not better than Windows. Though I agree your gaming workstation would be more appropriate with you "gaming" needs... The minimac would be more appropriate to someone who wants a small / quiet second computer. Could be use as a home server, development machine (to test on Linux/PowerPC, OS X), to play with OS X, entertainment, etc. “Then throw in Linux, for free, which is as good if not better than OSX.”

Where did you read that you have to pay for Linux on Mac hardware? Actually, you can buy Mac hardware with Linux pre-installed in dual-boot with OS X from terrasoftsolutions.com.

Your sentence is like saying: Buy a Mac. Through in Linux, for free, which is as good if not better than Windows.

Though I agree your gaming workstation would be more appropriate with you “gaming” needs… The minimac would be more appropriate to someone who wants a small / quiet second computer. Could be use as a home server, development machine (to test on Linux/PowerPC, OS X), to play with OS X, entertainment, etc.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8871 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:02:19 +0000 #comment-8871 To each his own. I personally much prefer Mac OS 7-9 to anything before Win 2000 (only slightly prefer them to Win 2000 and XP). And you want to talk about obnoxious? How about PC users showing off their bias and ignorance on every single Mac thread? To each his own. I personally much prefer Mac OS 7-9 to anything before Win 2000 (only slightly prefer them to Win 2000 and XP). And you want to talk about obnoxious? How about PC users showing off their bias and ignorance on every single Mac thread?

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8870 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:58:17 +0000 #comment-8870 First, as pointed out over and over earlier, the Mac OS is not Linux, although with a properly optimized version of Linux, you could probably do some cross comparison of the hardware (not the software). So the question is where is your data? Who did the testing? How much difference was there? What version of the PowerPC did you test? G2? G3? G4? G5? (they vary a great deal) Multiprocessor or single processor? And which x86 chip did you compare it to? PIII? P4? Athlon? Itanium? Celeron? (they also vary a great deal) Without providing this information, your arguement is only so much hot air. First, as pointed out over and over earlier, the Mac OS is not Linux, although with a properly optimized version of Linux, you could probably do some cross comparison of the hardware (not the software).

So the question is where is your data? Who did the testing? How much difference was there? What version of the PowerPC did you test? G2? G3? G4? G5? (they vary a great deal) Multiprocessor or single processor? And which x86 chip did you compare it to? PIII? P4? Athlon? Itanium? Celeron? (they also vary a great deal)

Without providing this information, your arguement is only so much hot air.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8869 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:44:41 +0000 #comment-8869 "$ dmesg | grep -i bogomips" No. This is in no way better than comparing MHz. Bogomips is a value computed for some synchronization purposes by the Linux kernel and it is printed out for fun. In fact, you have very low bogomips on PowerPCs compared with a x86 CPU of similar performance... “$ dmesg | grep -i bogomips”

No. This is in no way better than comparing MHz. Bogomips is a value computed for some synchronization purposes by the Linux kernel and it is printed out for fun.

In fact, you have very low bogomips on PowerPCs compared with a x86 CPU of similar performance…

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8868 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:25:21 +0000 #comment-8868 I'm so sick of this argument. Three things that turned me off about Macintosh computers were: 1.) $$$ 2.) all MacOS releses through 9 suck 3.) the obnoxious Mac "elite" It looks like that problem 1 is being solved. Problem 2 has been solved with the release of OSX. Problem 3 probably won't be solved in my lifetime. I’m so sick of this argument. Three things that turned me off about Macintosh computers were:

1.) $$$
2.) all MacOS releses through 9 suck
3.) the obnoxious Mac “elite”

It looks like that problem 1 is being solved. Problem 2 has been solved with the release of OSX. Problem 3 probably won’t be solved in my lifetime.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8865 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:48:21 +0000 #comment-8865 Well said. Well said.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8864 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:46:04 +0000 #comment-8864 You can't compare Apple and MS. Apple has TOTAL control over the hardware and software installed on their machines. Windows may be a bit less stable, but if proper research and care is taken into hardware, software, drivers, and considerations, Windows would be just as stable. By the way - OS-X locks up too. Let's see multiple hardware vendors create hardware for the Mac (motherboards, chipsets, CPU, etc....). The freedom of choice is available with PC hardware; Apple has a monopoly on their platform. Maybe I should sue. You can’t compare Apple and MS. Apple has TOTAL control over the hardware and software installed on their machines. Windows may be a bit less stable, but if proper research and care is taken into hardware, software, drivers, and considerations, Windows would be just as stable.

By the way – OS-X locks up too.

Let’s see multiple hardware vendors create hardware for the Mac (motherboards, chipsets, CPU, etc….). The freedom of choice is available with PC hardware; Apple has a monopoly on their platform. Maybe I should sue.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8863 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:35:53 +0000 #comment-8863 It's your opinion that OS 10 IS just Linux. So, why are you upset that you can only run OS 10 on an Apple? To you, it's exactly the same OS, so therefore with your way of thinking, you already have it. You also need to understand the definition of monopoly. Apple may be proprietary with some of their products but they are by no means close to being a monopoly. They sell their own product with their own software. That is not a monopoly. That's like saying Dodge is a monopoly because the only way you can get a Hemi is to buy a Dodge. It’s your opinion that OS 10 IS just Linux. So, why are you upset that you can only run OS 10 on an Apple? To you, it’s exactly the same OS, so therefore with your way of thinking, you already have it. You also need to understand the definition of monopoly. Apple may be proprietary with some of their products but they are by no means close to being a monopoly. They sell their own product with their own software. That is not a monopoly. That’s like saying Dodge is a monopoly because the only way you can get a Hemi is to buy a Dodge.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/3632/comment-page-1#comment-8862 Reader's Write Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:33:54 +0000 #comment-8862 >People that buy Apple think their "cool", so they way over pay, which is totally uncool. And if you go to the VisionMan Web site you can see the totally rad and awesome case designs of their cool machines. Blue lights! Cases that look like the heads of Area 51 aliens! More ribbing and ridges than you'll find in a room full of dildoes! Glad to see that hard-earned $509 (BTW which model is that? I looked around and by far most of the VM PCs cost much more than that) is going to R&D that actually makes your computer experience better. Because everyone knows that alien-head shapes on a computer make it run faster, right? And they're ribbed for..... your pleasure? Mmmmmm. >People that buy Apple think their “cool”, so they way over pay, which is totally uncool.

And if you go to the VisionMan Web site you can see the totally rad and awesome case designs of their cool machines. Blue lights! Cases that look like the heads of Area 51 aliens! More ribbing and ridges than you’ll find in a room full of dildoes!

Glad to see that hard-earned $509 (BTW which model is that? I looked around and by far most of the VM PCs cost much more than that) is going to R&D that actually makes your computer experience better.

Because everyone knows that alien-head shapes on a computer make it run faster, right? And they’re ribbed for….. your pleasure? Mmmmmm.

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