‘P2PNet encourages stealing … ‘
p2pnet view P2P:- “P2PNet encourages stealing and other kinds of crime. There are plenty of good sites on the internet. We don’t need you. I am sorry the DDOS attack is finished and I am sorry it did not close you down and I expect it is just the beginning.”
The email above was waiting for me this morning when I logged on.
I disagree with Dredd that the attack was from “people with both time and money“.
Time, yes. But the “money” part suggests a corporation or associated organisation was behind it, and I doubt that was the case.
I think it was someone I’ve upset.
The same applies to a series of comment whines from someone with a serious hard-on for Google Street View. S/he keeps posting I run pictures without asking permission, but at the same time I criticise Google’s privacy invading SnoopMobile and Snoop-O-Ramas.
p2pnet pix and Gargle Sneak Views aren’t even vaguely the same.
This same-old same-old grizzling has become boring and over the last couple of weeks, I’ve been deleting the Google-hypes.
Here’s what is said a couple of years ago when I was having troll-trouble >>>
“An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response” ~ Wikipedia
p2pnet went online in 2002 and when I started out, I was virtually by myself in constantly and consistently writing about what was then, and still is, going on with the entertainment cartels as they try to browbeat and terrorise people into becoming unquestioning corporate cash cows.
I tolerated trolls. But that’s changed. These days A) they’re just trying to stir up trouble ‘for fun’; or B), they’re corporate shills trying, and succeeding, to divert attention away from matters at hand.
So from now on, I’ll delete all troll posts that I see, together with responses.
One of them, Musico, said today, “Show you are truly for freedom and free speach [sic] like you keep saying and leave my posts alone.”
I don’t need to ’show’ anything. I’m being sued by a very rich company and, in another separate case, by a very rich individual because I believe people should be allowed to say what they think, whether I agree with them or not.
Freedom of speech doesn’t, however, include allowing fools free rein.
As I said to Musico, “Disagreement is fine. Deliberate and repeated posts designed solely to create dissension, aren’t.”
Cheers!
Jon
..… and identi.ca
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March, 2010
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March 19th, 2010 at 11:10 am
it wasnt me Jon
March 19th, 2010 at 11:17 am
As someone often accused of being a troll, sometimes having my e-mail address placed on a black list, and three times ousted from mailing lists, one has to be careful to distinguish between trolling and posting comments that are controversial (that comprise arguments or views the host finds repugnant).
One of my recent comments to the Open Rights Group was ‘moderated out’, and when I resubmitted it I got e-mailed. See my latest blog post that covers it.
NB Jon, I’m not disagreeing with you, just noting that one person’s troll is another’s controversy.
March 19th, 2010 at 11:27 am
Good call.
I remember ‘Musico’ from about a year and a half ago.
He openly admitted using different names and trolling this
site ‘for fun’. Some of us have long memories, well, at least
for another year or two anyway
March 19th, 2010 at 11:31 am
well … currently everything remains fast and stable … the ddos did not had any effect so … as far as I can see it is one big epic failure. There are no extra costs or problems.
MultiBox will add intrusion detection and additional sniffing systems in the beginning of next week. Maybe a small datacenter movie will be made for you guys out there
March 19th, 2010 at 11:34 am
Wait – you encourage stealing AND other types of crime??? What?? Where??? Can I see some evidence of this?
I hope you don’t take these kind of comments too seriously – I can imagine that they can get quite hurtful and depressing over time.
I’m sure you have many more supporters than haters and you should take comfort in that.
Regards
Rabbit
March 19th, 2010 at 11:34 am
@ Crosbie:
“one person’s troll is another’s controversy”
As I say at the end of the above post, “Disagreement is fine. Deliberate and repeated posts designed solely to create dissension, aren’t.”
IMHO, saying the same thing ten different ways on ten different occasions doesn’t constitutute, or help, discussion or controversy.
Cheers!
March 19th, 2010 at 11:51 am
@ Rabbit80:
What really pisses me off is: these people seem to believe I’m somehow obliged to allow their posts, no matter what they say.
Cheers!
March 19th, 2010 at 11:54 am
I agree actually! Since I’ve been on this site, I’ve stolen 52 cars, 17 houses, 3 airliner jets, 1 CD, 7 MP3’s, and a TimBit (that’s a donut hole for those not familiar with Tim Horton’s)
The only people who feel p2pnet encourages stealing are those that are ACTUALLY stealing. Recall the best way to catch a theif is to have a theif catch the theif! Who is better at robbing people blind and masquerading it as “business” than corporations?
Remember, individuals generally (exceptions like Rupert Murdoch exist of course) do not try to harm society by monetizing it and stepping on people to get ahead, satisfying their own need for greed. However, once the same individuals are free to control a separate, legal entity to which they can’t be held accountable for when said legal entity runs ethically and even legally afoul (within limits legally anyhow), that “good person” concept goes out the window.
It’s amazing what a terrible things groups of “good people” have accomplished when there’s virtually zero accountability.
March 19th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Damn! My attempt to use HTML like tags with spaces failed
The first sentence was supposed to be written with the tag wrapper “sarcasm” in standard HTML format, with spaces.
Sorry for the confusion!
March 19th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
@Robert
Dont forget your acts of terrorism and indecent acts against children
March 19th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Under the EU amendments to ACTA (see latest EU ACTA hype), this site would likely have to be closed BTW.
Does this call for another google story?
March 19th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
@ Robert:
“I’ve stolen 52 cars, 17 houses, 3 airliner jets, 1 CD, 7 MP3’s”
Wait ’til I tell your girl-friend. heh
Cheers!
March 19th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
“I agree actually! Since I’ve been on this site, I’ve stolen 52 cars, 17 houses, 3 airliner jets, 1 CD, 7 MP3’s, and a TimBit (that’s a donut hole for those not familiar with Tim Horton’s)”
You mean you downloaded all of these?
It must have taken quite a long time to download the houses and the jetliners.
I am now going to try to download the entire planet Earth. I wonder if my refrigerator who according to the RIAA is doing the downloading is going to crash though. We will see.
If this work I will do Jupiter next.
March 19th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
^^ @HyperPirate:
No, I didn’t download, that would make me a genius, as I would be able to create a copy, a perfect replica WITHOUT depriving anyone of the original, of a physical device!
Though I did think about a way of storing my cycling computer’s info to a USB drive for post riding computer analysis. Unfortunately, someone has already thought about USB in some way shape or form, so that’s “theft” that I thought of an application, someone has already developed advanced cycling computers, so my THOUGHTs on that are again “theft,” and cycling, well I was thinking about doing something with MY OWN data, analyzing it, which someone else has thought of and patented somewhere on the planet, so again, I “stole” the idea of riding a bike, storing my own data, analyzing my own data, so I can better track my progress as a developing cyclist.
Gotta luv IP and the claims people make.
One day I’m going to file a patent and license, trademark, and copyright BREATHING for all humans, and entities composed/controlled by humans (aka corporations). Won’t that be great! No more copy”right” claims as they can’t breathe! Woohoo! Finally freedom to actually BUILD upon the works of others and earn enough to LIVE! (aka live, not be a rich greedy prick).
March 19th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Don’t tell my girl friend Jon!
After all she is using the refrigerator too. If the refrigerator fry I will deny(*) everything anyway.
(*) I learn to lie from the music and movie corporation executives and lawyers during my MBA study.
March 19th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
“One day I’m going to file a patent and license, trademark, and copyright BREATHING for all humans, and entities composed/controlled by humans (aka corporations).”
Oh ya?
And me I am going to patent the law of the universe!
Ha!
March 19th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
“No, I didn’t download, that would make me a genius, as I would be able to create a copy, a perfect replica WITHOUT depriving anyone of the original, of a physical device!”
Oh! So it’s A-OK. You did not steal it then.
Good!
March 19th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
DDOS attacks by people with money? lol – probably the exact opposite. DDOS attacks are pretty much the most basic kind of attack and are favorites of script kiddies. The person who sent you that email has a seriously inflated opinion of the typicaly ‘hackor’.
You brought up Google Street View and the privacy concerns surrounding the tool. Here’s an interesting video I found on YouTube a couple days ago that points out why we should be concerned:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akJgSoQV_as
It’s a spoof on the Superbowl Ad, and taken as that it is kind of funny. But beyond that I think it definitely raises concerns about how deep we are letting Google into our lives.
March 19th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
@ Keith:
Yup. Saw that — check out http://www.p2pnet.net/story/35800
Cheers!
March 19th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
Empty threat is empty. You would have to be a tool of the highest proportions to seriously believe:
“P2PNet encourages stealing and other kinds of crime. There are plenty of good sites on the internet. We don’t need you. I am sorry the DDOS attack is finished and I am sorry it did not close you down and I expect it is just the beginning.”
Congrats, any idiot can DDoS it’s now been proven. Try firing the lazers at real targets newfag. Check it this page and other new pages on p2pnet have on average 400 page views. Is that what your strive for? blocking 400 page views? Pathetic. I bet this same script kiddie didn’t even write his own attack, likely stole the tools of the trade to begin with. Which would add a layer of irony to it based on his/her email correspondence.
March 19th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
@ Ryan:
The thing is: a lot of other sites use p2pnet posts, as do sites which don’t show up on hit counters. So the 400 or so by no means represents actual views. And some pages are seen over and over again. For example, ‘Vanessa Hudgens nude’ sage continues [ http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13393 ] has been read almost 224,000 times since it went online in 2007. That’s approaching a quarter of a million views for one story alone.
Cheers!
March 19th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
While hit counters aren’t to be trusted as fact I did say on average you get about 400 page views on a new story; yes over the years it multiplies. However 90% of the stories found here can be found somewhere else.
What’s this script kiddie going to do DDoS every site on the internet voicing any kind of disagreement with the suspects ideology?
March 19th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
@ Ryan:
“90% of the stories found here can be found somewhere else”
That was my point. I was suggesting even if whoever it was had succeeded in temporarily closing p2pnet down, it wouldn’t have made a whole lot of difference in the overall scheme of things.
Cheers!
March 19th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
@Jon:
“it wouldn’t have made a whole lot of difference in the overall scheme of things”
I beg to differ! The more sites that share information, common information, the more consistent the message brought to the masses, avoiding confusion!
Don’t underestimate this site, and your own, worth!
March 19th, 2010 at 8:25 pm
@ Robert:
What I meant was – even if p2pnet went offline for a while, a lot of the posts are still out there. So no worries.
Cheers!
March 19th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
It’s somewhat ironic that someone would go to such lengths to try to shut down a website that already has one foot in the grave.
DDoS attacks are not always script kiddies, sometimes corporations are known to engage.
Anti-P2P saboteurs-for-hire MediaDefender regularly DDoS’d torrent sites – most of which were hardly in a position to complain to police.
March 19th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
“It’s somewhat ironic that someone would go to such lengths to try to shut down a website that already has one foot in the grave.”
Gee, thanks.
Cheers!
March 19th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
the size of the attack was small compared to others i have seen… if someone wanted to they could do lots better than what was shown here.
March 19th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
“Anti-P2P saboteurs-for-hire MediaDefender regularly DDoS’d torrent sites – most of which were hardly in a position to complain to police.”
I can not see why they should not complaint to police.
March 19th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
“It’s somewhat ironic that someone would go to such lengths to try to shut down a website that already has one foot in the grave.”
You wish, entertainment corporate parasite and troll.
March 19th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
“it wouldn’t have made a whole lot of difference in the overall scheme of things.”
I beg to differ as well and obviously the DDOSer beg to differ as well.
March 20th, 2010 at 11:03 am
heh, it’s true.
Criminals ARE compelled to return to the scene of the crime.
March 20th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
“If someone wanted to they could do lots better than what was shown here.”
Why they did not do it then this someone?
You make no sense, troll.
March 21st, 2010 at 12:40 pm
This failed DDOS attack has been a real lol-fest for me. Not just its compete failure, but also the utterly failed logic behind it. Who wants to bet those involved run an online store that sells content using zen-cart? Oops, did I just narrow down the pool of suspects to only a handful? Anyways, from now on every time I see the words “epic fail” while surfing the net, I’m going to think of the poor bastard behind this laughably weak attempt to take down p2pnet. LOL!
March 24th, 2010 at 11:56 am
@cliff
if you make a movie, it has to be released on BitTorrent