p2pnet - rss feed: MPAA slams door on LokiTorrent
p2pnet.net News:- In what has to be one of its most blatantly provocative and contemptuous acts yet, the MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America) has closed the LokiTorrent BitTorrent site and the LokiTorrent info with the image on the right, with another graphic under it which reads:
There are websites that provide legal downloads. This is not one of them.
This website has been permanently shut down by court order because it facilitates the illegal downloading of copyrighted motion pictures. The illegal downloading of motion pictures robs thousands of honest, hard-working people of their livelihood, and stifles creativity. Illegally downloading movies from sites such as these [sic] without proper authorization violates the law, is theft, and is not anonymous. Stealing movies leaves a trail. The only way not to get caught is to stop.
The MPAA doesn’t say whether or not the court order also gave its owners, Disney, Fox, MGM, Paramount, Sony, Universal and Warner Bros, permission to use what’s presumably a domain name still owned by another entity in this way. And if it did, how was this ‘permission’ framed, precisely?
But what else can you expect from a multi-billion-dollar industry which wants to use mothers and fathers as surrogate cops and which is reporting truly eye-popping, record-breaking revenues as it tries to claim file sharing “robs thousands of honest, hard-working people”?
Stay tuned ……………
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UPDATE: LokiTorrent admin Edward Webber has agreed to, “not only pay a substantial settlement with even greater financial penalties for any further such actions, but by Court Order must provide the MPAA with access to and copies of all logs and server data related to his illegal BitTorrent activities, which will provide a roadmap to others who have used LokiTorrent to engage in illegal activities.”
Go here for more.
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(Andi, Bryan and several other people emailed me about this quite a while back. I wasn’t ignoring you. I’ve been battling with system problems all day. Thanks for the input - very much appreciated : )
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February 11th, 2005 at 12:09 am
…5pm EST gathering torrents from a site with a $50,000 warchest…630pm EST Loki shutdown all of the donations whereabouts now in doubt and no torrents….glad I only contributed 25 dollars, dammit.
TT
February 11th, 2005 at 12:13 am
And mufftorrent is down for ‘maintenance mode’….yah right
that guy paid out like 5-10k to the MPAA and is going to pocket the rest, there should be a bounty out for Lowkee if he bails with the money.
February 11th, 2005 at 12:15 am
that the page that resides at lokitorrent.com may have been put there by the owner of the site (considering I have never seen or heard about such a webpage notice before) while he enacts the scam???
February 11th, 2005 at 12:16 am
tru, tru
February 11th, 2005 at 12:20 am
Wow this is incredible. I guess the guy must have kow towed to the MPAA, agreed to post this so that he doesn’t go to jail.
Dammit, he is running away with the money.
Was this the same website that was offering itself for sale a few weeks back?
What scums.
February 11th, 2005 at 12:21 am
If that’s the case, it would have to be one of the most extravagant scams in the history of the net for what would be, relatively speaking, a fairly small return.
In the meanwhile the wording is so quintessentially, arrogantly MPAA …
Cheers!
February 11th, 2005 at 12:39 am
Oh Jon don’t be afraid of Lowkee coming down on your journalistic integrity again…he’s sunning in Maui right now….
February 11th, 2005 at 1:20 am
Unbelievable…I hope these greedhead bastards rot in hell.
February 11th, 2005 at 1:35 am
Hey folks -
I was reading through these comments and I accidentally deleted one: if it was yours, please re-post it.
Cheers! And thanks …
February 11th, 2005 at 1:39 am
it looks eerily similar to an add that the mpaa keeps posting in our school newspaper - so it must be mpaa related somehow.
February 11th, 2005 at 1:39 am
just read it: http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=661
February 11th, 2005 at 1:44 am
Lowkee? Who he? heh
Seriously, I know he’s out to make a buck or ten, but not this way, IMHO.
Cheers!
February 11th, 2005 at 1:50 am
im with you
February 11th, 2005 at 1:57 am
this lowkee is total scum…. i am glad i never donated money to that site. It is a sad day in filesharing, when one of our own stabs us in the back. This will affect site donations for months. I hope lowkee is happy with himself. In the future, when lowkee gets cancer, or gets in a car accident, he will know he deserves it. Burn in hell lowkee….
February 11th, 2005 at 2:11 am
Alot of you didnt believe me but guess what he DID!
February 11th, 2005 at 2:19 am
this has always smelt the same as the sharereactor thang….. oh, we will fight… but we need your money, all of a sudden *waves bye bye* there is nothing and no-one, just a 404 or if you’re lucky a relatively authentic looking mpaa shield.
February 11th, 2005 at 2:47 am
I’m with your mama
February 11th, 2005 at 2:48 am
Being overrun by multibillion dollar pockets certainly doesn’t constitute comments such as yours! People who donated to this site new very well what the potential outcome could be…if you think you could take on the MPAA…help yourself but for one so quick to judge without affirmation, I think it will be you who burns in hell.
February 11th, 2005 at 2:48 am
So Jon got it right. Better that than a member of the p2p community running a stink scam like a lot of you thought it was.
February 11th, 2005 at 2:49 am
So Jon got it right. Better that than a member of the p2p community running a stink scam like a lot of you thought it was.
February 11th, 2005 at 3:02 am
Over on Slyck they are ripping him a new one….
“LokiTorrent administrator Edward Webber has agreed to pay a substantial fine and to provide all BitTorrent activity logs of its former users. This comes as a serious betrayal to those who felt that LokiTorrent intended to fight the MPAA lawsuit.”
nice.
February 11th, 2005 at 3:29 am
http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9466&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
February 11th, 2005 at 3:30 am
http://profiles.yahoo.com/edwebber
from Slyck’s forums.
February 11th, 2005 at 3:44 am
Domain Name: lokitorrent.com
Administrative Contact, Billing Contact, Technical Contact:
Webber, E
WebbSense
PO Box 7662
Portland, ME 04112
US
Phone: +1.2077523481
Record expires on: 24-feb-2006
Record created on: 24-feb-2004
Record last updated on: 04-feb-2005
http://img240.exs.cx/img240/7128/da445sf.jpg
E L Webber - (207) 797-4217
880 Forest Ave,
Portland, ME 04103
February 11th, 2005 at 5:08 am
That is the STUPIDEST anti file sharing banner I’ve ever seen…. >_>
February 11th, 2005 at 9:55 am
I’m online now!
Send me a message
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if you want…he seems to be online quite much
February 11th, 2005 at 2:49 pm
The fun thing for mp3 it that in europe the laws are not really the same, and some european countries like France, have artists that are fighting against legal attacks from big companies on users.
here is an extract from p2pforums.net
While big name acts here in the states sign petitions against P2P. Some artist over in Europe (apparently that’s the land of the free now) have chosen to take a different course of action. The A.P. is reporting that dozens of French artist have signed a petition in protest of the music industries crack down on peer to peer sharing of digital music files.
The French fighters, proudly proclaim in their open letter, part of the “Free up music!” campaign, “Like at least 8 million other French people, we also have downloaded music online and are also potential criminals; We demand a stop to these ridiculous legal pursuits.” Among the big names to sign on with this petition include composer Yann Tiersen, the soul behind the “Amelie” score.
It’s amazing how different things are shaping up on both sides of the pond. While artist in the States willingly, or are forced to back the R.I.A.A.’s assault, European artist are siding with the people against the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry. Who would have thought Americans would be looking to the French to find an example of standing up to a bully.
end of extract.
The question is now really are p2p networks dangerous for the bigs corporations ?
mostly 99.9% of mp3 are completely illegal, only very few companies propose legal mp3s at fair price. But does it means if you download a thing the big company is loosing money ? not really sure as most users dowloads older music files, which are not located on your nearest reseller.
Most people are even buying things legally if the stuff is good enough for them. i am not really sure the MPAA or the RIAA is loosing money as they all have huge income !
Look at all the mp3 players like ip pod, dvd players, home and dvd recorders huge broadband connections competion etc…
They are all designed today to play illegal file formats and tons are selled.
(the same shit occured in the 70’s with the radio and the audio cassette invented by philips, the majors said we loose money and every year they get more and more)
Just Imagine a world where there is no p2p network, the U.S
gouverment will loose billions in taxes.
To stop all copyright infrigment
why the governments does not forbid selling stuff which are able to read illegal stuff as cdr recorder, mp3 and so one ? it is technically possible to create devices that recognise legal formats. The issue is that people will buy less stuff and less taxes goes to government.
the users will not need huge braodbands connections anymore, and will pay less their isp, they will not buy anymore the millions ipod and the government will stop getting their huge extra taxes.
The us supreme court should think, before acting.
U.S goverment know well that their action is done to please MPAA or any audio major.
The goverment has forgotten to tell you that P2P networks shown as illegal provide to them billions of legal indirect income.
Do not worry the dogs are only shouting, the judge gave MPAA a bone, to calm down the dogs.
But like in the 70’s the US does not forbid the cassette, and will not forbid peer2peer nor intenet, as they will loose a lot.
What a shame as since internet, p2p networks exits , like radio and the cassete in the 70’s the numeric revolution is providing each year more and more income.
If the MPAA wants to put every user of P2P in prisons the governement should now build up new prisons for the incomming 50 millions of americans.
The judges should really concentrate their actions on murderers, rippers and so on or even persons making money with their downloads
instead of fighting by users of p2p.
The story is reapeating itself,
sometimes people need to find out quickly a guilty guy to justify their work and existence (like lee harvey oswald)
but no one will stop to thing 5 minutes to see where all the issue began.
You will maybe think what i am saying is crazy
But p2p networks help a lot legally a lot of other hardware corporations and the government with money from indirect income:
Cisco systems with their routers, as users has getting huger
broadband connections now due to p2p, your ISP, your video retailler that provides you a dvd device that might belong to one of the MPAA companies, apple with ipod, and so on and so on….. even Sony which
has colombia has maybe lost some thousands with p2p but (not so sure) but won the video games market with playstation in the 90’s and now just because it were the only video game stuff able to read easily cdr and dvdr stuff.
As philips won the market in the 70s for the firsts radiocassette player.
If we start to think and the government also (but it knows it) all the p2p illegal stuff is not so illegal after all and provide a lot of legal income to everybody
February 11th, 2005 at 5:45 pm
It is a sad day. Lokitorrent, despite all of their heroing attempts to overthrow the MPAA, lost in court yesterday. Their site was attacked at 12 a.m. GMT by the MPAA, where they placed their antipiracy poster, which is more like a scarlet letter. As a gesture of gratitude to Edward Webber and his legal team, I propose that we boycott the cinemas this weekend. Lokitorrent may have lost their case, but we can still support the memory of the site by simply not going to the MPAA’s movies. Text message your friends, family, and peers. Let them know that we can stop the Association from recieving millions or perhaps billions of dollars over the Valentines weekend. Remember, when ants work together, they can overtake the world.
February 11th, 2005 at 5:47 pm
It is a sad day. Lokitorrent, despite all of their heroing attempts to overthrow the MPAA, lost in court yesterday. Their site was attacked at 12 a.m. GMT by the MPAA, where they placed their antipiracy poster, which is more like a scarlet letter. As a gesture of gratitude to Edward Webber and his legal team, I propose that we boycott the cinemas this weekend. Lokitorrent may have lost their case, but we can still support the memory of the site by simply not going to the MPAA’s movies. Text message your friends, family, and peers. Let them know that we can stop the Association from recieving millions or perhaps billions of dollars over the Valentines weekend. Remember, when ants work together, they can overtake the world.
February 11th, 2005 at 7:58 pm
Hi all, I’ve found myself registering here today as a result of an extensive search trying to find out what has happened to Loki Torrent…. Now I know. Strikes me that the best way to use all that donated cash is to just to set up another site that is (not) Loki torrent. Or is that a cute English anarchist way of looking at it?
I’m a (mature) student studying IT and a fan of P2P networks for all uses. I have recently been investigating the subject of P2P and downloading as part of a study course. We drew a conclusion that P2P file shareing is here to stay, on the increase and unstopable by courts, Hollywood or any of these groups that oppose it and that ilegal shares will only increase untill the Movie/Record companys promote their material on the Internet as llegal downloads at a price which reflects that there are virtually no overheads and no middlemen involved. £1 a track for music is much too expensive! What do the band recieve + a once off studio and production bill to cover? That is the market value of the download. £1 is a back catalogue album, not just one track!
If the big players don’t hurry up then they will get sidelined by the sway of social and market change. Any band or film producer is now free to promote thier own work in this way. How many people would still download illegally if the material was available at the correct price llegaly? However untill the industry catch up with the reality these type of confrontations will probably continue to happen from time to time. Comments?
February 11th, 2005 at 9:00 pm
As all of you take cheap hits at Lowkee and pray for his demise, think about what you would do. If you had a *COURT ORDER* requiring you to comply and turn over all related logs and information, would you really resist it and go to jail just to preserve an ideal? Hell no! Each of you would turn it over and that would be the end. But yet you find it so easy to blame Lowkee.
And if you were sued by a multi-billion-dollar consortium, with virtually endless monetary, legal, and political resources, what would you do? Would you spend the $30,000-$40,000 in donations, plus at least another $50,000 of your own money, to pay for the enormous legal expenses involved in fighting the case in court? Or, would you agree to a settlement with the MPAA, pay a fine most likely LARGER than all the donations he collected, and have all of this over with and off your back? The answer is easy — you would pay the settlement and end your troubles. If you are idealistic and say you would fight it, ask yourself if you would be willing to take loans and sell all your posessions, in addition to the donation money, to pay for the extremely expensive legal bills?
Before you judge Lowkee and condemn him for what you, too, would also do in his situation, take the time to consider what’s going on and what you would do if faced with his situation. the answer is obvious…
February 11th, 2005 at 9:46 pm
Thanks to the recent addition of the get_peers feature to BT clients, despite the tracker being taken down, people are still able to complete those final downloads. Huzzah for all!
I think somebody in government is trying to make everyone into a criminal. I know *I* don’t have any more respect for the law.
February 11th, 2005 at 10:40 pm
lowkee deserves to burn in hell… he should not have narc’d on us… bottom line. he is a narc, and will die…. He better lock his doors and get a shotgun….. we are coming!
February 11th, 2005 at 10:41 pm
you will burn in hell.. lowkee is a narc…… he was a rat and will pay the price…. death
February 11th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
this to - http://p2pnet.net/index.php?page=comment&story=3849&comment=9713
February 11th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
>lowkee deserves to burn in hell… he should not have narc’d on >us… bottom line. he is a narc, and will die…. He better lock his >doors and get a shotgun….. we are coming!
Spoken like the truly ignorant! Since you claim he “narc’d on us”, please explain exactly what he should have done differently. Should he have defied the court-mandated order and gone to jail? Should he have just skipped town and become a fugitive?
However, I do thank you for the laugh. Reading your statement of “he is a narc, and will die…. He better lock his doors and get a shotgun….. we are coming!” made me laugh out loud. Be sure and post pictures of your posse and your rootin’, tootin’ shotguns with which you are coming!
February 12th, 2005 at 12:15 am
Who care’s if he made a buck or two. Those of us who paid a small fee managed to download a whole load of software/music/videos for evaluation at least. Some video stuff in particular was just too complex to have wasted good money on. I’m happy with what I got out of it, and lookforward to the next ’scam’. We’re not dummies.. we know what we’re doing.. the losers are the ones that pay full price for rubbish software that doesn’t live up to its claims. I, for one, have actually bought the odd retail package to get the updates, manuals, support etc. Roll-On the next ’scam’.
February 12th, 2005 at 12:25 am
Some of us did pay a small fee based on what we downloaded, and how useful it was. What’s wrong with that? It’s self centred, smug, arrogant comments like yours that will eventually destroy the concept of file sharing. I don’t work for nothing, neither should you, neither should anyone. If can’t see why you think there’s something wrong with paying $10 for the amount of ‘evaluation’ software, videos, and music many of us have taken advantage of. But then again maybe you keep your front door open to allow all comers to watch your TV, make themselves coffee, and maybe even run them home when they’re finished. On the other hand you’re more likely to be a tight-fisted, self-centred prat!
February 12th, 2005 at 2:25 am
There’s sites not located in the grand ole US that hold a proud finger to the MPAA. No worries!
February 12th, 2005 at 2:26 am
There’s sites not located in the grand ole US that hold a proud finger to the MPAA. No worries!
February 12th, 2005 at 10:15 am
I think I would make sure that the relevant logs, info etc. had (largely) disappeared due to an error with a computer, as we all know computers are temperamental devices and very good at loosing data, if I was being hassled by an American court then I think a quick accident with a powerful magnet somewhere very close to the server would be a sensible approach.
February 12th, 2005 at 6:38 pm
wtf man
why would you post something like that you asshole. His home address and phone number you are an asshole
February 12th, 2005 at 6:50 pm
http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/
look at all the legal letter these people were sent
FUNNY
February 12th, 2005 at 8:22 pm
Why the hell would you give server logs anyways???
February 13th, 2005 at 5:45 am
yup, nslookup is so exclusive….bwahahahahahahaha
February 13th, 2005 at 7:02 am
http://www.2mediarelations.com/px/loki/
February 13th, 2005 at 7:20 pm
By the way that (207) 797-4217 has been disconnected to its probably him