‘How to stop the RIAA, MPAA’
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How to stop the RIAA and MPAA.
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I have yet to see this opinion posted anywhere on the net but feel this is a good place to start the thought. A few if not all of us reading this have financial resources. Those reading this that do not yet have financial resources will some day.
If the financial resources are applied correctly then we could force out the management that does not like p2p software.
As most of you are aware all of the big music labels and movie studios are publicly traded companies. They have market capitalization in the billions most likely so this will take time unless we find some big investors that agree with us.
The board/executives of a company have a duty to satisfy their shareholders. Presently their shareholders only demand profit and nice dividends from the corporate managers. However if a small percentage of well publicized share holders start to publicy, and through the shareholder voting system, demand that the corporations stop harrassing the customers then they would start to feel pressure to stop.
If that percentage of p2p friendly shareholders got large enough to vote executives in who do not believe there are losses due to P2P then the threat to this community is greatly reduced.
For example you can find a list of all labels under the RIAA at their website and we could locate the company with the smallest market cap.
Now as shareholders of the company we could define that companies policy regardless of whether it is perceived as good or bad for the company. If the executives act recklessly and allow us to do what we see fit then the shareholders can sue them for damages if the share price goes down. If the people reading this owned all the stock then this would cease to be a problem. Also since we own all the stock then we wouldn’t have market flucuation due to concern about file sharing as we are not concerned.
So find a small publicly held label and buy up their stock. Make it nice and puclic so the world can see what we are doing. Make it a good market thing to be P2P friendly so the executives that are screwing us have to start kissing our asses so their share price goes up!
That is how you change the government. The government is the slave of large corporations. If the shareholder stops the spending on the policticians all the better. Less corrupt politics. For our little corner here though we just want the labels/studios to realize that we have maney to spend on stock and once we start buying with our purpose to change the way they think they will bend.
Now if we could just get Bill Gates to start buying stock for this purpose we could pretty much take care of them. I somehow doubt that will happen as he is probably on their side.
Anyway I have spoken far to long. May you all have success in the future!
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February 12th, 2005 at 6:01 pm
Can you list a few stock examples ?
February 13th, 2005 at 8:32 am
ICOS;
http://money.cnn.com/news/companies/research/research.html?pg=sn&symb=ICOS
MSFT;
http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?shownav=true&symb=MSFT
February 13th, 2005 at 8:37 am
ICOS
MSFT
http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/03/technology/gates_penalty/
February 13th, 2005 at 8:49 am
I’ve got an easier, cheaper and much more effective way to stop the RIAA and MPAA in it’s tracks. In fact it could probably even force an apology out of both of them.
Don’t buy anything related to music or movies. At all. Just stop.
After all, why do these 2 organisations have so much money? Where do they get it from? Us!!! If we stop handing it over to them, they won’t have any money.
It won’t cost you anything in fact it’ll save you money instead. I’m sure everyone out there has enough music and movies they’ve already purchased to tide them over for a while, and i’m also sure it would only take a few weeks to have the desired effect on the stockholders of those organisations who pay the MPAA and RIAA’s bills.
February 13th, 2005 at 9:37 am
this is true… but we couldn’t stop everyone from buying their stuff…
most we could possible do is put a small dent in they’re earnings… and then they’d just blaim that loss on p2p again… >_>
February 13th, 2005 at 1:50 pm
you got that right. but it still wont do them any good in the end. you cant fuck with your customers and get away with it for ever.
February 14th, 2005 at 2:05 am
I am taking the RIAA list from the top. THis might take a few days for me to compile but eventually I will get the companies with the lowest market caps listed out so we can work them.
Note As I have been working down this list I am seeing more small labels listed than I expected. These labels may be able to be encouraged to “delist” themselves from the RIAA by a big enough fan base. Also noting that this could be done for very little cost. So any that are truly private small labels could start an interesting trend where labels start leaving the RIAA. This would be interesting if that list on the RIAA site suddenly started shrinking what kind of reaction could be gotten from the media. HUM very interesting remember of course that many of the major media outlets also own record labels. Well this is as far as I got today. Check back later for more updates.
Here a few things I found useful in my search to cross reference to the RIAA site.
http://www.macmusic.org/links/cat.php/lang/EN/id/3030/?vRmtQjpAznOhMaS=1
http://audiotools.com/labels_o.html
1500 Records is a division of
Universal, a unit of Vivendi Universal Symbol V
http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?shownav=true&symb=V
NOT a good choice with a market cap of 34,507,970,000
20G Entertainment
Can’t find anything about these guys on google etc. got me
241 Records
tough to find anything on these guys either.
2KSOUNDS CORPORATION
2KSounds Corporation is a holding company for its operating subsidiary, 2KSounds, Inc., which is an integrated music company located in Woodland Hills, California. 2KSounds locates and promotes new musical talent, and produces and distributes their music through a variety of methods, including joint ventures with major labels, sub-labeling and partnerships on albums by existing artists. Most significant, 2KSounds has entered into a direct distribution agreement with EMD, a division of EMI, one of the five major worldwide music companies, under which EMD will distribute all of 2KSounds music offerings. The principal executive offices of 2KSounds Corporation are located at 21700 Oxnard Street, Suite 1030, Woodland Hills, California 91367.
Their web site is no longer in existence. Since theri stuff was all distributed through EMI anyway we will just go with that so see EMI.
32 Records
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/articles/a0999_01.htm
they own all the 32 labels jazz etc.
their domain name has been bought up by a ad agency. Don’t know who bought them.
333 Music
http://www.333.ro/html/english/about/index.html
A japanese firm
Look to be very small and may not be publicly traded. If this actually get attention of Japanese readers then please verify their status and maybe just start placing pressure to leave the RIAA. At this point I can’t even verify they are the right people but seems probable.
4AD Records
http://www.4ad.com/
owned by
http://www.beggars.com/
based out of the UK haven’t released anything since 2001 but they are hiring.
also beggars owns the following lables which aren’t listed
Placebo
American
Don’t Fall Off The Mountain
4th & Broadway
http://www.vtmusic.co.uk/shop/label/4Th+And+Broadway.aspx
for a list of albums they are selling
http://www.mojosounds.com/music/musicSearch.php/fm=CD/lb=4th+%26+Broadway?PHPSESSID=fdee39fe08d769e9115d73fa0f5c81ce
And a US site selling their stuff. If someone can figure out who these guys are please post it.
5 Minute Walk
http://www.5minutewalk.com/
http://www.roperisdumb.com/
apperently only has one band which is at the above link. Somehow doubt they are publicly traded.
5.1 Entertainment
USA based label/publishing house, publishes rock oriented music under the Immergent Records banner, electronic and dance oriented music using the Myutopia Recordings brand and re-releases of mostly 70’s rock and classical titles as Silverline and Silverline Classics. Official homepage.
Formats supported : CD, DVDA.
The 5.1 Entertainment Group owns the immergent, Silverline and Myutopia record labels, 5.1 Production Services and 5.1 Music Publishing. The company is a recognized leader in audio/visual production and the release and marketing of music in the DVD format. In addition to having released the largest catalog of DVD music worldwide, 5.1 Entertainment Group has mixed and produced projects for Norah Jones, Usher, Britney Spears, Eminem, R. Kelly, Janet Jackson, Fleetwood Mac, Sting, Herbie Hancock, Dishwalla, Alice Cooper, Everclear, Hanson, Robbie Williams, Queen, Yanni and Aaron Neville to name a few. four labels Immergent, Silverline, MyUtopia and Electromatrix
http://www.51entertainmentgroup.com/
Contact: Jacqui Chazen
Silverline Records
2231 S. Carmelina Avenue
West Los Angeles, CA 90064
310-207-5181
I cannot figure out who owns them if anyone. However I may put in a contact request asking about purchasing stock.
Geffen
Mega music merger The world’s largest record label, Universal Music Group, agreed to buy Spielberg, Geffen and Katzenberg’s DreamWorks Records. The terms of the deal weren’t disclosed, but there has been speculation that the deal is worth some $100 million.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/11/11/commentary/streetlife/streetlife/index.htm
see Universal
To be continued…
February 14th, 2005 at 3:21 am
Why not have your own p2p app, that pushes your products, and can distribute the labels music for free.
February 14th, 2005 at 4:49 am
There are several ways to stop the RIAA I can think of. First is to file suit against them. If every P2P user filed a harassment and restriction of liberty claim against them in the small claims court of thier state, They would be forced to use some of this litigation money to respond to each suit.
Now imagine that people were to actually get a local court to agree that there activities were a violation of our rights and awarded claims. They are now forced to file appeals. Here is the nice part. If your suit is filed and given a court date. You can then use the power of the subpeana to obtain thier ISP logs, thier internal emails and memo’s in your attempt to show they willingly and knowingly violated your rights. Cost? About 25.00 in my state. Thier cost? At 450.00 an hour for attorney fees a bit more.
Another thought is to simply stop buying music. Send a letter to Your favorite artists and tell them you are sorry; but that the RIAA has no right to doctate what you can and can not do with your computer and that you are therefore forced to stop buying music and instead will download and enjoy the new realm of exciting and unique music that direct to consumer P2P distribution offers.
Search and you will find that for every artist that you really like; there is someone new and fresh who has something to offer you. In addition, you will expand your tastes and understanding of the art by the sampling you will be doing.
Cost to you? Savings of 15-30.00 per cd Cost to them? Loss of revenue from you and the others like you. Soon, more and more artists will think about what is better? To receive a .25 to 1.50 royalty from RIAA or thier members or collect 1.00-2.00 from your downloading a song directly from them?
The RIAA is doomed unless we allow them to live on and win. You elected oficials do not understand that the internet and the computers connected to it are creating a new form of economy. There is as greaqt a change coming to the capitalistic model as there occurered with the industrial revolution and the changes it brought to the market place.
The RIAA’s only hope is to continue to make use of the ingnorance of our body politic on the extent this change is going to have on our economic models and continue to convince them to pass useless ever more efforceless laws.
Excused me while I search for that new sound I heard is coming from
the clubs of Brittains largest port. Or was it from Munich? Moscow? Guess I will have to just do a quick search and sampling to find it.
Laters
MNRider
February 14th, 2005 at 4:56 am
fly a plane into universal studios
February 14th, 2005 at 5:52 am
It’s people like you with a statement like that , that makes this person say , If I was ever to join anything against the RIAA, i sure hope you are on their side because i don’t want you on mine. Your statement just shows how little intelligence you have. If you can’t say something constructive , don’t say anything at all.
February 14th, 2005 at 7:42 am
Those of you who are pissed off and dont agree with how the RIAA/MPAA are handling the situation should donate $5 to some fund.
Fund should be used to hire Private Investigators who will then target the people running RIAA, MPAA and their immediate families. I wonder who in those 2 organizations have dirt to hide, and who has kids openly doing the exact opposite of what they preach.
They are targeting senior citizens and extorting money, so now’s the time to go after them and watch very high level resignations from these organizations…
The gloves should come off – just a thought.
February 14th, 2005 at 9:27 am
Stupid idea. If you’ve got that kind of money, shop at mp3tunes.com and encourage your rich pals to do the same.
Chris
February 14th, 2005 at 10:18 am
Ya but a focused boycott even for a short period like a few weeks will have a HUGE impact, and the more public it is the more profound the effect.
February 14th, 2005 at 10:43 am
Downhill Battle tends to have a pretty big influence in these things, it seems. Maybe they could organise a mass boycott that would be pretty well promoted, I would assume.
See http://www.downhillbattle.org
Higgy.
February 14th, 2005 at 11:37 am
Buying up stock in a billion dollar industry such as the music and movie industry and actually accumulating enough voting power to make a difference would be priced in the $100 of millions. I think that if you were to approach an industry offering them that much money they would pretty much do as you say anyway.
But nice try from a guy in the 4th grade who first realized that there was something called stocks.
February 14th, 2005 at 12:28 pm
I agree that a boycott would have a pretty big impact on record labels.
But it the long run it just lowers their cd sales which gives them more ammunition to say that P2P is costing them money by lowering their revenues.
This is why I have started this whole idea of change from the top. If we get changes within management of record labels then they can stop the whole idea of lawsuits etc.
To me the biggest risk to us as a whole is if the legislation being pushed through congress by the RIAA that would outlaw everything gets passed. (Induce Act Orin Hatch I believe)
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,64315,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2
If we can start change from within the dollars flowing to these members fo congress to push this legislation will stop. That is one of my biggest goals here.
Anyway have fun with that thought.
February 14th, 2005 at 12:38 pm
I wouldn’t offer them anything. But if you buy their stock and because of the change in their policies, that we demand, their stock price goes up then we all profit. If the changes we incite cause the stock to go down then we lose financially but win on the larger scale. It could be a win win situation if we start positive change.
If we just had 100Mil sitting around we could use to start a legal battle but the real power is the elected officials they are buying with their money. Therefore an alternate use from your point of view could be start making massive donations to politicians to stop the flow of legistlation that is counter to our cause.
On a personal note
This was all started by a person who graduated from Purdue Universtiy fast approaching ten years ago.
February 14th, 2005 at 12:45 pm
true that….
February 14th, 2005 at 1:25 pm
This sounds like a good idea. Another way to stop RIAA extortion is to make it too expensive. Make the RIAA have to drive through local neighborghoods and college campuses to try to find file sharers. This is easier than you know. I work near a neighborhood of college students, and someone has set up a wireless network which is not connected to the Internet. This network had all kinds of music video and other stuff freely downloadable. Aalthough you do have to be within a certain distance of the access point, there is more content for the asking than in any other 1 area I’ve been. I am thinking about setting one of these up myself.
February 14th, 2005 at 1:33 pm
I’m sure he was joking… his “idea” is actually pretty funny
February 14th, 2005 at 3:15 pm
If you guys are serious and can get something “focused” down in a plan, then I will commit this website of mine, which is high in Google results and just needs a little more “focussing”:
http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~chapinr/
I also have a domain hosting account and you may reply to me at
miqrogroove.com/contact
– Miqro
February 14th, 2005 at 6:58 pm
That sounds like an even better idea. Another plan would be to create a large sneakernet community. You can start by getting a few friends together to swap burned cds and dvds of stuff, or do file swapping over a privately-created network. I don’t think that the RIAA or MPAA have the resources to check every private home for copied material, so your chances of getting in any trouble would be if you were the sole supplier of pirated material for profit
February 14th, 2005 at 7:50 pm
Sneakernet / local wireless networks are a perfect combo. I’m setting up my lappy and will be distributing CD’s. All that is needed is a standard way to request a file. A little Java applications will allow a computer in the LAN to connect to a server and request a certain title. The server can request this very same title whenever another computer joins the network. If this is done right one can download whatever he or she wants on his or her way to work, shopping or even a date. Let the MPAA, RIAA, or BSA try to stop that
I burnable DVD can hold thousands of mp3’s. Wireless LAN’s, sneakernet, and snailmailnet should give the cartels what they deserve.
February 14th, 2005 at 8:34 pm
Yeah. If I (or “we”) had 100 million sitting around, I wouldnt consider ten dollars too much to see a shitty movie in the theaters, and 15 bucks wouldnt be too much for a CD.
The point of peer to peer networks is to get the stuff for free right? so if we spend a coupple million dollars to get the companies to go “our way”, they still win.
What they need, is a peer to peer network where it is free to just have the mp3 on your hard drive or portable mp3 player, but you need to pay a small fee (a buck) for the rights to burn it to CD. something along those lines.
I I’m glad now that I chose not to go to purdue.
February 14th, 2005 at 9:26 pm
Make sure you put a big splash screen/prompt before the file is transferred, stating:
You are downloading this in good faith, in order to enjoy your rights of borrowing and sharing music as described under fair use. Blah blah blah, RIAA and gov’t agencies are not allowed here, illegal to be here, we don’t want you here, etc, etc.
Use one of their biggest lame assed tricks against them: The one click End user license agreement.
February 15th, 2005 at 1:38 am
Hmmm. Your lack of understanding is showing.
You only have to have voting control of a magority of voting stock to enforce changes. You would be surprised how many people who own stock do not file thier proxies or participate in the voting. In many instances you can effect serious change by simply controlling, not owning, 2-5% of the voting proxies.
Buy one share of stock, obtain the stock holders list and begin a campaign to obtain voting proxies from those stockholders.
Oh well.
February 15th, 2005 at 1:59 am
You Rang
You have mail!
February 15th, 2005 at 2:52 am
Totally agree , I’ve yet to see such idiocy in print ,clearly no clue.