Comments on: LokiTorrent data fears revived

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Sun, 08 May 2005 20:03:45 +0000

you’re going to jail. –MPAA

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:48:38 +0000

I read on another p2p website that this whole issue with Lokitorrent was a scam cooked up by the guy that ran the thing to get people to send money in to him to help fight the MPAA from a legal point of view. He received a shedfull of money then disappeared. Is there any truth to this?

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:47:39 +0000

In A Civil Suit the evidence no matter how collected or accurate is permissible as long is it was not illegally obtained. (i.e. stollen). this is how Direct Tv has sued thousands of individuals and by taking information from the servers of web sites that were shut down with a court order. as was the case here a court order was obtained to retreive the logs. and individuals are the new targets and the do not have to prove anything they just have to present a better case than you and there legal teams are far better than most.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:31:24 +0000

If You Use It Start Worrying & If You Dont You Dont Have Nothing To Worry About…Think This Way-DONT TRUST ANYBODY!

YOU KNOW THE RISK ASK YOUR SELF IS IT WORTH IT AFTER ALL ITS NOT FREE! LoL WE ALL PAY SOME HOW ?

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Tue, 08 Mar 2005 02:20:02 +0000

Ok but remember that this is not a criminal trial. It is a civicl trial, now I’m not a lawer but from what ive heard you dont need the evidence to be that damming to go to court in a civil suit right? It would need to be a criminal trial for the evidence to show beyond reasonable doubt right? Correct me if im wrong.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Sun, 06 Mar 2005 07:32:23 +0000

technivally downloading isnt illegal uploading is, so it your download upload ratio is low they prolly wont go after you, and most likely they are going only for the movie downloaders because not only is it a hassle to get other uploaders im pretty sure its illegal, because only the person or persons with the copy right are alowed to sue, since major companys own the copywrites to movies its alot easier for them to sue but say is you downloaded anime or ebooks it would be alot harder for them to get you because its from a single person not a large company

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 08:59:30 +0000

Very well said i agree with the above, its just bullshit scare tactics MPAA can go stick there heads butter.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:07:46 +0000

From a forensics standpoint…

What would these logs exist as? Would they exist as burned media on a CD-R? A floppy? Printed?

ISP warnings are fear tactics, nothing more. If you were to take these “logs”, we’ll assume they exist as burned copies on a CD-R, you would be laughed out of court. The data isn’t permissible as evidence, as the means by which it was acquired (probably) isn’t forensically sound.

For example, I go to Loki’s server, and on its operating system, while it’s running, copy the log files to a CD-R, and mail it to the MPAA. By common precedent and law, as far as a court is concerned, not only is the CD-R not permissible as evidence; I’ve also destroyed the server from EVER being permissible as evidence within court. In order to do this properly, I would have to not only power down the system (pull the plug, not shutdown); then remove the hard-drive, connect it to a write-blocker, DD copy (or use a forensic tool) to another drive, then I could pull the log files off the drive. This would not only be tedious, expensive — It would also require a paper trail a mile long AND a valid expert witness in court — to hold up. AS you also have to show that the data wasn’t tampered with AND was properly secured (all documented) while stored after the copy.

They manage these “warnings” to users because of fear tactics, and because the majority won’t fight it. They just go “Oh, okay, time to stop downloading copyrighted stuff..” and move along their merry way.

The logfiles that show you connected to the server, accessed data, and transmitted it; are what got you into court. Those logs, high probability, are not permissible due to what I stated above. Therefore, if you challenged them in court — Their grounds for sueing you are based on impermissible evidence, therefore they have no foundation for the case; it would be dismissed and it’s possible you could counter-sue for damages and trauma.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:39:08 +0000

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:54:10 +0000

The ignorance of the law displayed by most people here is amazing. We’re talking about civil law not criminal law. A corporation can threaten anyone with a lawsuit with whatever evidence they have available. The MPAA is busy collecting data on all illegal downloads involving copyrighted movies. All they need to do is monitor the trackers to get your IP address, then snoop the network and decode data packets to see what you’re up/downloading. Once they have a suspect, they contact their ISP and notify them of the activity. They show the IP address, the time and the filename. Many ISPs are concerned about their own exposure and are caving in to the MPAA by providing customer names and addresses. When you get that letter in the mail threatening you with hefty damage claims, your best option may be to settle out of court. If you don’t, they can and will file suit to make examples of people. It’s part of their strategy. So far there haven’t been any cases brought to trial, but don’t count on evading the sharks just because you happen to be a small fish.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:56:12 +0000

Bajare otras

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:51:38 +0000

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:27:02 +0000

“The law says that everyone has right to make a copy for themselves of the published “work” like DVD. ”

nah bub , only if you own an original…. thus we’re back at step number 1…

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:04:15 +0000

The point is…even if they do have the resources to keep logs of everyone who ever downloaded movies or whatever else from Loki…which I’m sure they do…and each movies downloaded by individuals…which I’m sure they don’t…they just don’t have the money…the time…or the requirement to track down individual downloaders. It takes hundreds of thousands of tax-payers dollars to get just one person on the stands. To get a gazillion is jes friggin mad!

They are mainly mad at people hosting torrents on their sites…thats it!…and maybe those ppl who’ve been uploading/downloading massive amounts of stuff…so you just don’t need to worry about shit like this.

At the end of the day…even if you get caught…they can’t be 100% sure if it was you. Hackers often walk away scott free claiming that they had nothing to do with a particular hack-job…but that their system itself was hacked. So all you can say is that you pc was being used as a remote server by unknown hackers…or whatever…

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:15:09 +0000

Don’t be a lier….

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:46:37 +0000

Don’t be a lier…..

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:48:10 +0000

This is so interesting to see how terrified people are.

I live in Finland, which is in north of Europe. No US law have jurisdiction here. There is nothing what MPAA, RIAA or any other organization could do for me. First of all, it is complately legal to download any music or tv-series or movies from the network even if the source is protected by copyright. This is a fact. Hell, I can even go to the video rental shop to rent a movie, copy it and return it. The law says that everyone has right to make a copy for themselves of the published “work” like DVD.

I’m usually so ammused about legal threats (on the DVD cover or in the beginnig of the movie) about illegal action of copying movie. Well, it is not illegal here and the owner of the copyrights can not expand their right over the law.

How about a trackers? Well, finreactor was closed and that is mainly because we do not have direct laws about trackers, exchanging torrent and so on, so we need precedent from court to see if is it illegal to maintain torrent/tracker sites. My guess is that it wont be illegal.

Our dear neigbour (Sweden), they have highest court order that tracker/torrent site is not illegal. That’s why The Pirate Bay in sweden http://www.thepiratebay.org can do what ever they want, they even published the legal treaths they get from different sources like from Microsoft, Sega and so on. http://www.thepiratebay.org/frame.html

I don’t mean to insult anyone but this MPAA hunt for BitTorrent users is really ridiculous. So is the fear about their propaganda.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:55:08 +0000

What? If the MPAA DID setup what u say, then the whole donation thing was fake too… which means they did something ILLEGAL; setting up a fake donation act.

Do you think the MPAA would risk anything for such a small detail?

I dont think so.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:41:03 +0000

Hey Reader’s Write let me just ask you a question. Just an opinion from you; Do you think that Loki was in cahoots from the beginning of the whole super nova situation? In other words correct me if Iâm wrong, but didnât Loki start asking for donations pretty much right after super nova went down? So my main question to you is would it make sense that the MPAA approached Loki used their scare tactics and told him ” Either you cooperate with us or we will sue you for so much money your kids kids will pay for life. So hereâs what well do keep the website up, post torrents as usual and we want you to log everything but continue to ask for donations so it seems that you are on the pirateâs side still. Then well work out the rest later.” Donât you think that the MPAA have the power and resources to pay for the terabytes of hard drives needed to keep the logs of all users? Especially if they used some good scare tactics on Loki and told him after this is all said and done youâll be free of any wrong doing.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:06:15 +0000

ok just a thought here .. i agree that this attack everyone attitude by the mpaa is stupid but we are slandering them for protecting their product thtas like the the people stealing direct tv being mad that dave wants its money or if you made a product and was selling it but dsomeone else is reproducing it and selling it and not paying you this is stupid… i enjoy gettin movies and apps and mp3s but lets be reasonable dont get mad cause wqe are getting caught if you think that the reason you download movies is “they charge unfair prices for movies and use unfair practices” you are full oof it you download cause its free and you can just like everyone else. its ok to think that they suck and want to get them back abit but dont hide your crimes behind some blanket of crap come out and say it I LIKE TO STEAL MOVIES and we always find a better way to do it but come on “reasonable copyright” “they dont sell what we are downloading” gimme a break … they do sell it its just part of their marketing stratigy if you cant wait till they sell it your stealing plain and simple.. and anyone who says other wise is playing a game of samantics or just assinine and as for the same format freakin whiners buy the dvd when it comes out and re-encode it if ya want to be legal but for those of you that are happy with breaking the law like me just dont complain when they shut sites down and make the idol threats about comin after you cause it just isnt fealsble for them to come after individuals (only hosters of large arrays of movies) or for us to complain that they want to get paid for their product