RIAA, et al, hoist the Kiddie Porn Flag
p2pnet view Freedom | P2P:- A collusion of vested-interest organisations, including Vivendi Universal, EMI, Warner Music and Sony Music’s RIAA, have raised the kiddie porn spectre in a joint letter on the proposal by Google and Verizon to between them shanghai the internet.
Years ago Vivendi Universal (France), Sony (Japan), EMI (Britain), and Warner Music (US), as they are today, created the Child Pornography scare to justify their efforts to gain exclusive control of the net .
It was a non-starter then, and it’s a fail today. But the music industry can never be accused of learning by its mistakes.
Instead, it rigidly employs the Hitleresque Dripping Tap propaganda priniciple: if you say something often enough, eventually, it’ll be taken as truth.
Now the RIAA and the other usual suspects are at it again.
Recognising Google is only using Verizon as a foil, the collusion focuses solely on Gargle boss Eric Schmidt.
“Dear Mr. Schmidt”, they say, going on >>>
We write to you on behalf of the broad and diverse music community represented by our organizations. We read about your recent joint policy proposal for an open Internet and commend you and Verizon for advancing the public conversation on this important issue.
The music community we represent believes it is vital that any Internet policy initiative permit and encourage ISPs and other intermediaries to take measures to deter unlawful activity such as copyright infringement and child pornography.
The principle of distinguishing lawful from unlawful activity has become a firmly established tenet of broadband policy – articulated clearly by FCC Chairs Powell, Martin and Genachowski, leading Members of Congress from both parties, and industry executives. It is also contained in the standard user policies of many legitimate businesses that operate online.
We all share the goal of a robust Internet that is highly accessible, secure and safe for individuals and commerce. An Internet predicated on order, rather than chaos, facilitates achievement of this goal.
As you well know, music is a powerful driver of broadband adoption and related applications. So, too, the Internet has become a crucial part of the music discovery process and a central platform for commerce. The number and range of music services is exploding. Our ability to invest in and create the next generation of music is grounded on crafting Internet policies and procedures that respect intellectual property.
Accordingly, we are deeply interested in the details of your proposal as they may relate to the protection of content and to making sure that the distinction between lawful and unlawful activity has operational meaning.
The current legal and regulatory regime is not working for America’s creators. Our businesses are being undermined, as are the dreams and careers of songwriters, artists, musicians, studio technicians, and other professionals.
That’s why we look forward to working with you, other stakeholders, the FCC and the Congress to make the distinction between lawful and unlawful relevant in the marketplace so that the Internet fulfills its promise for consumers, subscribers, providers, creators and business.
American Assoc. of Independent Music; American Federation of Musicians; American Federation of Television And Radio Artists; American Society of Composers Authors & Publishers; Broadcast Music Inc; California Songwriters Association; Music Managers Forum; National Music Publishers Association; Nashville Songwriters Association International; Recording Industry Association of America; SESAC; Sound Exchange; and, TheRecording Academy.
Stay tuned.
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shanghai the internet – Google and Verizon: telling it like it isn’t, August 10, 2010
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August 20th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Study: Child Porn Isn’t Illegal In Most Countries
http://www.informationweek.com/news/global-cio/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=184429489
Leave my fkin internet alone u pigs! stop using excuses when its legal in most countries!!!!!!!!
August 20th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
The Music Industry probably uploads child porn on the net to prove their “points”.
August 20th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
” Study: Child Porn Isn’t Illegal In Most Countries ”
That’s why it’s such a problem.
John, why are you such a fan of kiddie porn ?
This really bugs the shit out of me. I mean, mostly i’m a pretty reasonable guy, and
Cartoons, books, paintings and other stuff don’t victimize anyone.
But when real, living breathing kids are involved, it’s a problem .. plain and simple.
Do you LIKE the idea of 3 year olds being molested on camera for your amusement ?
Do you really think that because it’s a picture and you didn’t PERSONALLY commit the crime, it’s not wrong ?
Throw me a bone here, i’m really really trying to understand the appearance of support of cp from you.
August 20th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Dreddsnik, I’m really trying to understand if you’re simply a moron or if you’re just very bad at spinning an argument to make someone look bad.
August 20th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Google must stand firm against the media mafia terror groups whose sole aim in anything they do is to increase their bank balance and be dammed anyone who stands in their way.
The recording and movie industries are once agian abusing children in the worst way possible by marginalising their abuse and suffering for a fatter profit margin, just what sort of scum undertake such scare tactics to increase revenue is of course a matter for debate but it is well known that theses industries often come across information that could aid the police in catching paedophiles and its never passed on to the authorities because there is no profit in it, this was all made more than clear from the media defender emails that where leaked.
When theses industries stop aiding peadophiles in this way and follow the letter of the law instead of destroying such data perhaps something good will come of their otherwise despicable actions but then again theses are the same organisations that sue the dead pick on the handicapped and sue children who cannot afford legal representation and never those who can, MPAA// RIAA are the pedos friend let them deny what I have said while connected to a polygraph machine, p2p folks know who the real child abusers are.
I have myself in the past located dubious adult content being spread across the p2p network I help support and it was coming from an anti p2p server in italy who where also sharing all flavours of dvd copying applications with embedded trojans so next time you see such content please remebmer the likley uploader of such material and that its done just before some survey they want to rig, use a TCP viewer and report theses illegal folks to the law they may not end up in jail but you,ll have the satisfaction of knowing you stopped theses low life corporate criminals dead in their illegal tracks.
August 20th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
@ Drake:
You are one who looks like moron. You like child porn?
August 21st, 2010 at 9:49 am
I’m just trying to understand why you feel you have to use so many different alts.
August 21st, 2010 at 9:53 am
He does this in every CP thread, using multiple alts.
You’ll also notice that he didn’t address my actual question, he just went for the
ad-hominen attack.
So, i’ll ask the question more simply ……
Do you really think that it’s ok to have images of real children being sexually abused, as long as you aren’t the one doing the abusing ?
Can you answer that ? Or will you just go to name calling ?
It’s a legitimate question, and I believe i’m not the only one here who is interested in an answer.
August 21st, 2010 at 12:45 pm
The excuse of cp an the “protect the children stuff” is just used to erode peoples rights. The mafiaa pays people to upload cp (anti-p2p) and also lots of other organizations spread it. I have read in one article that the biggest spreader of cp is the f b i but I haven’t confirmed that, it was only in an article. I can tell you though that the fbi does set up trap sites where they run the site themself and ask for credit card and bust people that way. From what I have confirmed though, anti-p2p spreads cp many different ways such as spreading false labeled files on p2p where you download one thing (in the name) and its really cp instead. According to logs, it comes from anti-p2p. If you want to download many files, you will wind up with cp instead. Also many servers that are run by anti-p2p like quartz said and spread viruses, trojans, malware, and kp.
Now my question is a) If kp was so bad, why isn’t it illegal in all countries and why do they want to eliminate something that is totally legal in most countries when they themselves put it there? I don’t know of any other comparisons but its kind of like uploading (well same really) the newest file onto a torrent site that hasn’t been released yet then screaming on how its there. UM Yes because “you put it there” (mafiaa) & since its legal to share files in Canada & Spain for personal use (not sure about kp but most countries its legal) , then you can’t complain when most people download it (when you put it there yourself) & possibly renamed it to something else that it wasn’t or in the case of the latest unreleased file (workprint etc) uploading the file by real name & people download it then you make mega publicity about how you are so ticked off your video got pirated (when mafiaa & friends put it there).
I am not for 3yo being raped as someone said above but you would have to talk to mafiaa & friends on why they like that kind of stuff. Also since the content is legal in most countries the crackdown is BS where they tell you its illegal and sht when its not. First step to believing anything is to research people. I would not take anything the “propaganda machine” spreads unless I researched it myself & proved it to be factual. Thats why comments are useful on sites like this because mafiaa says one thing but in reality are doing something else. On one side they are saying “we are against kp, all while they are the ones uploading it”.. Also its the same thing as the f bi. They claim they are against that stuff but have the biggest kiddy porn database in the world and watch it according to their own admission 24/7. Now if some organization is really against kp such as the f bi, why do they spend so much time watching it and data basing it and why do they upload it themselves when they don’t want it to be available? I think we are learning something here… First you can’t spread false lies because someone actually will do their homework & research themselves & know the truth, not just what they elete want you to believe.
Did you know that most of the politicians are pedofiles around the world? Its true. Well if they really wanted pedos gone, first start with themselves (lead by example). Ok so what the current example is is that
a) upload all the stuff you claim you are against
b) if you want to run the country join with pedofiles (most elected officials) and you can be a leader
c) hire others to spread kp so you can say how you are so much against it
d) have the f bi create more problems then what they ever solve (database and view kp 24/7) and upload it themselves.
And lets not forget that kp is legal in most countries so trying to get rid of it even with the above a-d (which will never work because they won’t ever lead by example like they are supposed to but the opposite as shown) won’t work because regardless if something is legal in most countries then how can you eliminate something? Exactly you can’t….
August 21st, 2010 at 4:13 pm
I cant speak for any of the other countries you may know of John but to my knowledge th UK, US, Australia and Canada all have laws that make the possesion or creation of child abuse images illegal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography
Reading the link above suggests that your way out of the ball park when you state that child sexual abuse is permitted or ignored by many countries it is not.
“Ninety-four of 187 Interpol member states had laws specifically addressing child pornography as of 2008, though this does not include nations that ban all pornography. Of those 94 countries, 58 criminalized possession of child pornography regardless of intent to distribute. Both distribution and possession are now criminal offenses in almost all Western countries. A wide movement is working to globalize the criminalization of child pornography, including major international organizations such as the United Nations and the European Commission”
August 21st, 2010 at 6:14 pm
At a press conference in Washington, D.C., the International Centre for Missing and Exploited Children and other participants, including Microsoft, presented a study on Thursday revealing the woeful inadequacy of child pornography laws around the world.
ICMEC’s global policy review of child pornography laws in 184 Interpol-member countries showed that more than half have no laws that specifically address child pornography, and in many others the existing laws are insufficient.
It’s hard to arrest and prosecute if you don’t have the legal foundation on which to build,” said Ernie Allen, ICMEC president and CEO.
The ICMEC study found that possession of child pornography isn’t a crime in 138 countries. In 122 countries, there’s no law dealing with the use of computers and the Internet as a means of child porn distribution.
One of the greatest challenges we are confronted with is child safety, child protection, and child rights,” said Baron Daniel Cardon de Lecture, chairman of ICMEC. Most of the countries in the world, he said, “have no meaningful system to adequately and effectively combat sexual exploitation of children.”
Only five countries–Australia, Belgium, France, South Africa, and the United States–have laws deemed adequate by ICMEC to address the issue.
ICMEC acknowledges that the scope of the problem is difficult to determine, but statistics suggest that the production and consumption of child pornography is on the rise throughout the world. In 2005, the U.S.-based National Center for Missing & Exploited Children fielded 340,000 calls to its CyberTipline, up from more than 24,400 in 2001. This may reflect increased awareness of the tip line as well as an increase in the amount of child pornography.
The national center says 1 in 5 girls and 1 in 10 boys in the United States are sexually exploited before they reach adulthood. Less than 35% of those child sexual assaults are reported to authorities.
David Townsend, CEO of eFor, a computer forensics company, has served as an expert witness in several high-profile court cases. He believes the prevalence of child pornography is on the rise. It’s the result, he says, of the anonymity that people believe they have online. “Twenty years ago, child predators used to go to circuses and playgrounds,” he says. “Today they go online to places like Yahoo Groups and MySpace.”
The production of child pornography is also becoming more professional. According to de Lecture, child pornography is thriving because it’s profitable and relatively risk-free compared to other criminal enterprises like weapon or drug smuggling. “There is a huge consumer market for child pornography,” he lamented. “Child pornography is enormously profitable, and there is, for the moment, no risk. There is risk for dealing with arms. There is risk in dealing with drugs. There is no risk in trading your children today in three-quarters of the world.”
Microsoft is among those working to change that: It has sponsored seminars around the world that have helped train some 1,322 law enforcement officials from 89 countries to better investigate and prosecute child pornography.
In a phone interview following the press conference, Tim Cranton, director of Internet safety, legal and corporate affairs, for Microsoft, explained that despite interest from foreign law enforcement agencies in dealing with child pornography, police abroad often lack the technical knowledge necessary to deal with child porn on computers.
Though child pornography remains a growing problem, IMEC’s Allen says there’s reason to be optimistic because other nations are responding. He says he hopes child pornography can be driven from the Internet by 2008.
from first link, I guess ya didn’t read it…
August 21st, 2010 at 6:38 pm
says post is awaiting moderation so here is one until its approved of the same without the html coding (i didn’t show up right on the post) http://www.pastebin.org/686165
(No long quotes from religious texts — Jon)
August 21st, 2010 at 6:47 pm
here take some more
It is no secret that pro-copyright lobbyists are exploiting child pornography to get file-sharing sites pulled offline. They have done so for years. Their ultimate goal is to use child porn as an excuse to impose a global Internet filter, and with a new directive being presented in the EU their strategy seems to be paying off.
http://torrentfreak.com/%E2%80%9Dchild-pornography-is-great%E2%80%9D-anti-pirates-say-100429/
in a room filled with like-minded souls, Johan Schlüter of the Danish Anti-Piracy Group took the stage with the ultimate plan to curb piracy.
”Child pornography is great,” he said enthusiastically. ”It is great because politicians understand child pornography. By playing that card, we can get them to act, and start blocking sites. And once they have done that, we can get them to start blocking file sharing sites.”
The Cleanternet, Our Future? See video on link above and if thats how you want your internet, then keep listening to the mafiaa propeganda and probably keep your mouth closed as most of the stuff they spew is bs anyway and set up because they are not called mafiaa and friends for no reason (hint hint).
August 21st, 2010 at 6:48 pm
RIAA Uses Net Neutrality to Lump Together Fight Against P2P, Child Porn
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/90262/riaa-uses-net-neutrality-to-lump-together-fight-against-p2p-child-porn/
August 22nd, 2010 at 3:41 am
I have read those last 3 links John, the larger post you made that suggests hundreds of countries dont care according to one US based organisation is however open to question, from the list given of countries that seek to protect children from exploitation its pretty clear they are using a different criteria than anyone else is to reach this figure and being US based its likely they are doing so because they want more donations, unfortunately the dollar has a habit of corrupting even the worthy aims of good folks, its their logic that you cant acheive your stated mission without near unlimited funding and thus of course exaggeration of statistics comes into play, unfortunate but true.
The dubious nature of their findings is pretty evident from the claim made of hundreds of countries not having possesion offences, what countries are these, lets see the list so we can asses the size of the problem, for all we know these countries could be remote uninhabited islands or somesuch thus its rather underhand to make this claim without further idata being available.
August 22nd, 2010 at 11:50 am
Besides John you still didn’t answer my question.
The question was clear and simple. It only requires a one sentence answer.
Do you think it’s ok to have just a picture or ‘recording’ as you put it, as long as you’re not
the one who personally committed the abuse ?
Why dance around a simple question ?
August 23rd, 2010 at 8:37 am
@ John:
You’re probably wondering why I’ve deleted your most recent posts.
You’ve had your say.
If you want to post further, please find a forum suited to your needs — because it isn’t p2pnet.
Cheers!
August 23rd, 2010 at 11:09 am
I’m going to hazard a guess, then, that he chose not to answer my question
directly and decided to ramble, bash, dance and pray, as a simple answer
to my question wouldn’t be likely to be moderated.
That’s an answer in itself.
August 23rd, 2010 at 3:44 pm
^there’s some kind of drama here
it’s pretty simple guys:
[quote]The music community we represent believes it is vital that any Internet policy initiative permit and encourage ISPs and other intermediaries to take measures to deter unlawful activity such as copyright infringement and child pornography.[/quote]
they thought with their little heads: CP is the same as “Copyright Infringement”
they want to pass that and have ISPs play the police and Big Brother on their own customers
and completely control internet activity in the end
too bad it’ll never happen tho, because the comparison they make is apples+oranges (bullsh1t)
off to “infringe on your rights” now by getting intangible 0s and 1s, buh-bye
August 25th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
in Iran the legal age for marriage as 9 (for girls) and 13 (for boys)”. So basically if anyone wanted to have live sex shows from Iran, they are operating entirely within the law. The mafiaa wants to get rid of kp, give me a break…
“Though child pornography remains a growing problem, IMEC’s Allen says there’s reason to be optimistic because other nations are responding. He says he hopes child pornography can be driven from the Internet by 2008.”
Well its 2010 and it looks like you failed at your 2008 date…
August 25th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
We get it john, you like cp.
Please go away .. really.
October 26th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
first of all I am not one of those sick twisted pedifiles I have benn researching this so called internet kiddy porn there is none all this talk about it is nothing because all there is are sites every were that say big brother is watchimg you but they dont even look liget because threr are no fbi stamps or endorsments so aparently they already shut them all down