Comments on: LokiTorrent, MPAA saga: Part III

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:13:02 +0000

Lame.

Pity edward webber had more allies thumping their chests on the sidelines than helping him.

Then there’d be fewer of them criticising him now.

What brave guys ashlee vance & these other journalists are lol.

just my 2c

( I bet you delete this )

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:57:33 +0000

I had donated to Lokitorrent to the “server fund”, but after it closed, I asked for the money back via Paypal, and I got it.. $10.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:23:54 +0000

What’s the legality of the studios effectively getting all the logs from Webber’s sites? In the Europe I think this would fall foul of data protection law, is the situation different in the US?

It seems to me that without the current shenanigans, the MPAA would have needed to start a proper lawsuit against specific people, then get law enforcement to issue a warrant and collect data relevant to the case. However now they get the whole lot for nothing, and can go fishing with impunity against all users of Webber’s sites – regardless whether there is reasonable grounds for suspicion against them or not. Seems to me to be a big side-step of legal due process.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:55:22 +0000

Er… they didn’t, he’s a backstabbing scam artist

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:30:47 +0000

Mickymouse got an injunction and an award of a huge amount of civil damages. The defendants were essentially pennyless and never paid. The collection was waved in lieu of the Pirates never again asserting their Court protected rights to satire.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:26:32 +0000

Funny all this considering he was allegedly under a gag order preventing discussion of the settlement details (stated, as I recall, by one of his colleagues in the day 0-1 discussions).

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:30:51 +0000

Had no idea that he ran Torrentstop as well.

Oh well, there is sucker born every minute, and he took them for a ride.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:01:11 +0000

“And Webber says he’ll disable computer servers and websites that make up LokiTorrent, TorrentStop and MuffTorrent, operated by him as part of the “BitTorrent network”"

“MuffTorrent is specifically named as one of the sites in the one-time Webber empire that was to be disabled.

Yet the page is up again, although it’s no longer a BitTorrent site.”

The wording of this seems slightly ambiguous. Seems the article is implying that the court ordered Webber to disable the sites, which is not the case. The relevant part of the courts order is:

“…shall disable and prevent Users of any website…operated…by Webber…from copying…[or] downloading…any Copyrighted Work”

Basically, he’s still allowed to run the sites, as long as “he’s a good boy, and doesn’t break the law”.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:18:58 +0000

IANAL but as far i can tell, the judge didn’t hand down the sentence. Seems they basically settled out of court, and the judge has endorsed this settlement and made it binding.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Sat, 26 Feb 2005 02:08:27 +0000

i don’t know of anyone who ever logged onto something called the “Webber BitTorrent System”. i only know about Lokitorrent, Torrentstop and Mufftorrent.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:46:53 +0000

“The register says they also turned over logs:”

so does P2Pnet “Defendant shall promptly turn over to Plaintiffs copies of all data, logs and information on all computer servers that were used in connection with the Webber BitTorrent System.”

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:42:46 +0000

The register says they also turned over logs:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/25/loki_mpaa_million/

I know they had more than just movies on there, so what happens to the logs for the other types of stuff? Is everyone getting a copy? How far back do the logs go? I have no idea and I don’t know if we’ll ever find out, but it’s really an interesting question.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:46:02 +0000

Lokitorrent worth exactly $1,000,000 in kind?

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:51:25 +0000

My bet is that he listed the site for sale at auciton to get a net worth – then accepted 1 million plus 40k for the site, then paid 1 million back to the MPAA as ’settlement fees’ – all on paper only mind you. And getting to keep his extra 40k warchest.

Meaning he is 40-80k up on the transaction – 40k from donations, 0-40k from the MPAA as an out of court agreement and the million cancels itself out. Ive yet to see anyone quote a judge handing down such an extreme sentence of 1 million at such short notice on a filesharing case, please correct me if im wrong.

The MPAA will be able to do some fancy accounting with their tax return if they lodge 1 million in expenses aquiring this company and make a nice return from the US government, when in reality they paid nothing in physical cash for it. This would also allow them to control the sites in question and as a result we would see the puerile messages we are seeing at http://lokitorrent.com now.

Damn, dirty, dealings….

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:38:58 +0000

A settlement order saying that one party agrees that they owe the other $1,000,000 in a civil damages case is not the same thing as actually paying $1,000,000. It can mean, for example “we agree not to ever attempt to collect the $1,000,000 as long as we never hear your name in connection with p2p activities again”. Any such additional agreements do not have to be part of the settlement order.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:58:52 +0000

— If this is legit then how will lowkee be able to pay $1 million? —

It is legit and you’ll have to ask Webber.

Cheers!

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:50:49 +0000

Where did you get this pdf file? If this is legit then how will lowkee be able to pay $1 million?

Drake

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:37:58 +0000

MPAA ARSEHOLES….

I can’t believe that they sued him $1,000,000 just for posting linkes…
he didn’t do anything wrong… if anything was wrong… which I dont beleive it is… it was the people using the site… but not him…