Comments on: The Return of PG Beta 2 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4036 p2pnet.net - reader powered Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:30:38 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4036/comment-page-1#comment-10556 Reader's Write Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:13:32 +0000 #comment-10556 hear hear flaming is stupid, as i said! Joseph Farthing Methlabs.org hear hear
flaming is stupid, as i said!

Joseph Farthing
Methlabs.org

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4036/comment-page-1#comment-10516 Reader's Write Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:11:11 +0000 #comment-10516 What the heck. Excuse me for being blunt right now I'm going through some stuff in my life thats got me in an already pissy attitude. But I think this crap needs to stop. Were is this all going? Here is a quick answer "No Where". Right now it sounds like your carring more about yourselfes and not the people you both supply the list for. I could care less about where I get my list from. I mean yeah I would much rather get the list from the place that I support, which I will not say if I use bluetack or methlabs, because that would only be senisble thing to do. You know what. It would be really cool though if both sites came together and worked on the list together. I think that both sites should set their difference aside and just do it. I mean yeah if I had made a blocklist and everything that was huge, yeah I would want credit for it. But if in the end it just caused problems trying to get that credit then I wouldn't really care if I got the credit. The satifactory form knowing that thousands of people world-wide were helped out by my list would be enough credit for me, and if nobody knew it then that would be just fine by me. I think that we just need to stop worring about who deserves credit and come together to help the people that we're trying to protect. I just wanted to say thank you for reading this long comment and if you don't like it then well you don't like I was just giving my opinion. I also just wanted to say thank you to both bluetack and methlabs, both have done a lot of work to help the general person that wouldn't be protected if ya'll didn't provide such great services. Thank You! What the heck. Excuse me for being blunt right now I’m going through some stuff in my life thats got me in an already pissy attitude. But I think this crap needs to stop. Were is this all going? Here is a quick answer “No Where”. Right now it sounds like your carring more about yourselfes and not the people you both supply the list for. I could care less about where I get my list from. I mean yeah I would much rather get the list from the place that I support, which I will not say if I use bluetack or methlabs, because that would only be senisble thing to do. You know what. It would be really cool though if both sites came together and worked on the list together. I think that both sites should set their difference aside and just do it. I mean yeah if I had made a blocklist and everything that was huge, yeah I would want credit for it. But if in the end it just caused problems trying to get that credit then I wouldn’t really care if I got the credit. The satifactory form knowing that thousands of people world-wide were helped out by my list would be enough credit for me, and if nobody knew it then that would be just fine by me. I think that we just need to stop worring about who deserves credit and come together to help the people that we’re trying to protect. I just wanted to say thank you for reading this long comment and if you don’t like it then well you don’t like I was just giving my opinion. I also just wanted to say thank you to both bluetack and methlabs, both have done a lot of work to help the general person that wouldn’t be protected if ya’ll didn’t provide such great services. Thank You!

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4036/comment-page-1#comment-10495 Reader's Write Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:20:04 +0000 #comment-10495 the only list that came from methlabs was the anti-p2p list, and bluetack has added many more lists and has given the antip2p list some meat. the methlabs list was pretty bare before bluetack started maintaining the lists. ALL of methlabs current lists come from bluetack. Methlabs then takes bluetacks lists, and filters out stuff they think isn't important and repackages them. Thats not a big deal, but don't try to take credit where credit is not deserved. methlabs crew was a major factor in the demise of pg.net. It would be awesome if both crews worked together, but the fact is simply that most methlabs staff refuse to work with bluetack. And also the fact that methlabs wants 90% control of any combined SQL database and only give bluetack 10% control, after bluetack has done 100% of all the list maintaining. There are logs to back all of this up, this isn't just blowing smoke or making things up. The facts are that many methlabs staff refuse to work at all with bluetack, but then turn around and try to say "we have to work alone" oh and just for the record, protowall and peerguardian are both 0% cpu, protowall uses more memory as it is logging granted packets which peerguardian currently does not offer as it would ruin their pitch. anyone that uses win9x/me still deserves to get hacked into and sued for using a totally worthless OS. the only list that came from methlabs was the anti-p2p list, and bluetack has added many more lists and has given the antip2p list some meat. the methlabs list was pretty bare before bluetack started maintaining the lists.

ALL of methlabs current lists come from bluetack. Methlabs then takes bluetacks lists, and filters out stuff they think isn’t important and repackages them. Thats not a big deal, but don’t try to take credit where credit is not deserved. methlabs crew was a major factor in the demise of pg.net.

It would be awesome if both crews worked together, but the fact is simply that most methlabs staff refuse to work with bluetack. And also the fact that methlabs wants 90% control of any combined SQL database and only give bluetack 10% control, after bluetack has done 100% of all the list maintaining. There are logs to back all of this up, this isn’t just blowing smoke or making things up. The facts are that many methlabs staff refuse to work at all with bluetack, but then turn around and try to say “we have to work alone”

oh and just for the record, protowall and peerguardian are both 0% cpu, protowall uses more memory as it is logging granted packets which peerguardian currently does not offer as it would ruin their pitch. anyone that uses win9x/me still deserves to get hacked into and sued for using a totally worthless OS.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4036/comment-page-1#comment-10494 Reader's Write Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:08:21 +0000 #comment-10494 Joseph , you have absolutely no idea how much work has gone into all the LISTS since they were created at Bluetack , so stop trying to comment on things you arent even involved in. You know yourself there are lot more than the just a single anti-p2p list , there were no other lists until we made them. I still have copies of the Anti-p2p lists in use back in 2002 , which shades in comparison to the current one in use today , and I know you sure as hell didnt help in any way to hunt the IP's that went into them. You like to take the credit though. So now you are saying that Methlabs built all the lists that you are using now , typical. So I guess the spyware list was all methlabs doing too .. oh and the gov mil list , thanks for making that.. You need to get a grip on reality boy. Just another example of why no one wants to work with you. Moore. Joseph , you have absolutely no idea how much work has gone into all the LISTS since they were created at Bluetack , so stop trying to comment on things you arent even involved in.

You know yourself there are lot more than the just a single anti-p2p list , there were no other lists until we made them.

I still have copies of the Anti-p2p lists in use back in 2002 , which shades in comparison to the current one in use today , and I know you sure as hell didnt help in any way to hunt the IP’s that went into them. You like to take the credit though.

So now you are saying that Methlabs built all the lists that you are using now , typical. So I guess the spyware list was all methlabs doing too .. oh and the gov mil list , thanks for making that.. You need to get a grip on reality boy.

Just another example of why no one wants to work with you.

Moore.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4036/comment-page-1#comment-10491 Reader's Write Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:51:59 +0000 #comment-10491 you keep telling yourself that, lol I got logs that say different. you keep telling yourself that, lol

I got logs that say different.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4036/comment-page-1#comment-10481 Reader's Write Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:57:53 +0000 #comment-10481 you mention cause? i am interested? what is our cause if it is any different to the cause of bluetack? "expertise among you whatsoever concerning investigating ips... " where did the bluetack list come from? methlabs we have tried, countless times, to try to get co-operation between the groups, it would be much better for the USERS if we both maintained one list in public, rather than attacking each other we tried to do this with blocklist.org but we couldn't achive any co-operation can you not see that working apart helps no one? we've given everything away - we WANT to stop these stupid arguments but people wont let us, so we have to work alone Joseph Farthing Methlabs.org you mention cause?

i am interested? what is our cause if it is any different to the cause of bluetack?

“expertise among you whatsoever concerning investigating ips… ”

where did the bluetack list come from? methlabs

we have tried, countless times, to try to get co-operation between the groups, it would be much better for the USERS if we both maintained one list in public, rather than attacking each other

we tried to do this with blocklist.org but we couldn’t achive any co-operation

can you not see that working apart helps no one?
we’ve given everything away – we WANT to stop these stupid arguments

but people wont let us, so we have to work alone

Joseph Farthing
Methlabs.org

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4036/comment-page-1#comment-10479 Reader's Write Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:04:04 +0000 #comment-10479 I think the ppl at methlabs are on a wrong trip here, they would have had no lists for the past few years if bluetack wasn't working on them continually... Now they are trying to badmouth bluetack and take our lists and say look how great hunters we are.... how pathetic... Telling wrong things about bluetack will not help your course... eventually you have to get our lists again to get the baddies bluetack finds, since you have no expertise among you whatsoever concerning investigating ips... I think the ppl at methlabs are on a wrong trip here, they would have had no lists for the past few years if bluetack wasn’t working on them continually… Now they are trying to badmouth bluetack and take our lists and say look how great hunters we are…. how pathetic…

Telling wrong things about bluetack will not help your course… eventually you have to get our lists again to get the baddies bluetack finds, since you have no expertise among you whatsoever concerning investigating ips…

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4036/comment-page-1#comment-10471 Reader's Write Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:44:27 +0000 #comment-10471 Actually, the people at Methlabs have been adding ranges and filtering them. However, they don't add every range that is reported to them, like Bluetack does. The Bluetack theory is that every range should be blocked, and it will be unblocked when someone complains about it. The Methlabs approach is that ranges should be verified first, so innocent users don't get blocked for no reason. Let's just block the whole Internet. I personally like Methlabs approach. And with the start of Blocklist.org, they are going to personally go through every IP in the database and re-verify them all, adding and deleting ranges as necessary, so they will all be verified. Plus, when using P2P programs, blocking more IP's is not as efficient. You're really cutting down on your amount of sources you have for downloading by blocking unverified ranges. Actually, the people at Methlabs have been adding ranges and filtering them. However, they don’t add every range that is reported to them, like Bluetack does. The Bluetack theory is that every range should be blocked, and it will be unblocked when someone complains about it.
The Methlabs approach is that ranges should be verified first, so innocent users don’t get blocked for no reason. Let’s just block the whole Internet.

I personally like Methlabs approach. And with the start of Blocklist.org, they are going to personally go through every IP in the database and re-verify them all, adding and deleting ranges as necessary, so they will all be verified. Plus, when using P2P programs, blocking more IP’s is not as efficient. You’re really cutting down on your amount of sources you have for downloading by blocking unverified ranges.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4036/comment-page-1#comment-10455 Reader's Write Sun, 27 Feb 2005 05:07:39 +0000 #comment-10455 hear hear... at methlabs we're trying to improve our blocklist system by making the blocklist open to moderations etc we're still coding the backend but blocklist.org is coming along nicely we did approach other ip groups (not just bluetack) to see if they wanted to work together, but no one seemed interested... ho hum, if anyone is they can contact us at the forums... we'll need a lot of moderators Joseph Farthing Methlabs.org hear hear…

at methlabs we’re trying to improve our blocklist system by making the blocklist open to moderations etc

we’re still coding the backend but blocklist.org is coming along nicely

we did approach other ip groups (not just bluetack) to see if they wanted to work together, but no one seemed interested…

ho hum, if anyone is they can contact us at the forums… we’ll need a lot of moderators

Joseph Farthing
Methlabs.org

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4036/comment-page-1#comment-10453 Reader's Write Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:52:24 +0000 #comment-10453 hey lets not start fussing about this. I haven't reported personaly any bad ranges to BlueTack but I have heard that it can be a bit of a pain. Like I said I never have and thats all I heard. I'm personaly using PG2 just simply b/c its an awesome program. I just can't belive that people are acting like little kids fussing about this. hey lets not start fussing about this. I haven’t reported personaly any bad ranges to BlueTack but I have heard that it can be a bit of a pain. Like I said I never have and thats all I heard. I’m personaly using PG2 just simply b/c its an awesome program. I just can’t belive that people are acting like little kids fussing about this.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4036/comment-page-1#comment-10451 Reader's Write Sun, 27 Feb 2005 02:04:51 +0000 #comment-10451 So why don't you report that at bluetack, so they sort it out, it usually takes just a few hours to fix... or are you too lame to do that .. So why don’t you report that at bluetack, so they sort it out, it usually takes just a few hours to fix… or are you too lame to do that ..

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4036/comment-page-1#comment-10450 Reader's Write Sun, 27 Feb 2005 01:31:06 +0000 #comment-10450 there are a LOT of bad ranges in the bluetack lists, currently including entire residential ISPs for no good reason there are a LOT of bad ranges in the bluetack lists, currently including entire residential ISPs for no good reason

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4036/comment-page-1#comment-10448 Reader's Write Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:20:03 +0000 #comment-10448 Yeah and the other people [ http://www.bluetack.co.uk/ ] that have been maintaining the blocklists that you use do a damn good job , while you people at methlabs sit on your ass and complain about it. Yeah and the other people [ http://www.bluetack.co.uk/ ] that have been maintaining the blocklists that you use do a damn good job , while you people at methlabs sit on your ass and complain about it.

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