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Dear Alex: Thanks for your post on YoVille

p2pnet view Kids & Kartels | P2P:- It’s bad news all around. Zynga’s partnership with social advertising site Fa$ebook.

But the New York Times is promoting Zynga’s latest game like it’s genuine news — good news, at that.

Owned by Mark Pincus (right), Zynga is said by VentureBeat to be worth $3 billion.

That’s because it’s sucked in millions of marks, a significant, very frightening,  number of them children.

When I logged on this morning and checked comments for spam, there was a Reader’s Write on another Zynga game called YoVille. It was from Alex, 13, the same age as my daughter, Emma.

“I play just about all the Zynga games (Farmville, Mafia Wars, Cafè World ect.) exept Yo Ville”, he says.

Except YoVille? Why’s that?

Nothing amusing about the Mafia

Last year, “I’m getting all kinds of  Fa$ebook and Twitter messages to join various peoples’ Mafia families”, I said, going on:

“Mafia Wars is from a company called Zynga. For me, there’s nothing amusing about the Mafia and there’s no way I’d join anything which bases itself on a deeply evil gang which depends for its existence on extortion and terror.”

Not only but also, “ ‘Zynga (the company that develops Mafia Wars) does not give a rats a** after injecting a spyware cookie into the game,’ says i_hate_zyng’s Reddit post, suggesting:

“ ‘Upvote and let the others know how a company can screw up your security for personal monetary gains’!”

And, “Hi, My Name Is Mike And I Was A FishVille Addict,” I quoted TechCrunch’s Mike as saying, going on >>>

Social gaming addiction is a real problem. It may be a somewhat funny problem, but it’s still a problem. And it’s no wonder that kids without access to credit cards are taking all these sketchy offers to get game currency. They’re hooked.

“Arrington is a very wealthy lawyer who’s old enough to look after himself”, I noted, adding, “But what about the kids?” – a point also raised by Emma in March, 2009.

Too fond of the Net?

In a p2pnet post, “I work online and I’ve spent hours  explaining the pit-falls and the ups and downs of the Net and I’m fine with letting her go online to do pretty well what she wants to do within the two hours she’s theoretically allowed”, I said, going on >>>

I say theoretically because I’m not looking over her shoulder all the time and I expect her to log off when it’s time to log off.

In other words, I trust her.

Sometimes my wife and I worry she’s too fond of the Net. But it’s an integral part of life in the digital 21st century and will become even more so as she grows up.

But parents worry about everything. It’s their job.

So when she asked if she could join YoVille, explaining it was a kind of virtual world, I said Yes,  figuring if it was on Facebook, it couldn’t be too bad: that as mercenary as Facebook’s owners are, they’re not stupid enough to allow anything really offensive on the site.

I was dead wrong.

Soon after she joined YoVille, “Dad, can I do a post on Facebook for p2pnet?” Emma, who was 12 at the time, asked.

She’s home-schooled and “as far as I and my wife, Liz, are concerned, writing this kind of thing is much the same as writing an essay in school, only better because it’s self-selected instead of imposed”, I said, going on, “So I logged on … and found the item below waiting for me — and I emphasise this is her own work written when I wasn’t around, and unedited by me.

“I should also make it clear YoVille isn’t exclusively a Facebook application. It’s also on MySpace and for all I know, on other sites as well.”

Here’s what Emma wrote >>>a

Topics: Alchohol on YoVille / no age limit / pedophiles and people asking for “cam shows” / no chat filter / cyber bullying / Bikini bottoms are thongs / Gambling is encouraged.

YoVille is a world where you can buy new clothes for your player, purchase items for your apartment, go to work, and meet new friends,” says creator, Zynga. Sounds fun, and completly kid friendly right?

But to make a long story short, it’s anything BUT kid friendly! There is an extreme lack of a chat filter, allowing the “F Word” and others just as bad to be said freely, often in the presence of kids as young as 10!

Okay, so maybe they have a SMALL chat filter — IE  if you say the full word (shit, for example) it gets blanked out as “yadda”. But if you put a space in between any of the letters (s hit) it gets through.

I think there should at least be an age limit for it (18+?), given how it’s easy for sexual predators to lure victims in, giving them YoMoney and items in return for this.

I have come across several people (usually men) as old as 43 trying to get girls as young as 13 to role play sexual acts via the game, and give so-called “cam shows”.

These basically consist of you giving them your cam adress, and stripping on cam.

I myself have been asked more times than I can count. Whenever I got asked, I basically told the person involved to go jump off a cliff.

Feel like getting drunk? Just head down to the all ages Sky Nightclub and grab a martini! Because they make it so FUN to get drunk!

Or feeling lucky? Just head down to the Casino!

There is no age limit for this game, making it possible for people of any age to be on.

In the Dating section of the Events page, there are usually sex parties. I once even saw one called “14 and under sx party”.

It’s a breeding ground for pedophiles and the like. I think that it’s best if kids don’t go on it at all.

I hope that by writing this, parents who have kids on YoVille will take a closer look into whether or not they REALLY want their kid on this.

Thanks for reading my rant ;)

Stay safe!

Emma Newton

‘ … no gambling, no drinking ect … ‘

Back to the comment post from Alex, 13 .

He says “I play just about all the Zynga games (Farmville, Mafia Wars, Cafè World ect.) ” continuing >>>

You can’t really interact with people on these games unless they’re your friends exept Yo Ville.

I do hope they filter out this game atleast a little more, (ex. one-piece swimming suits, no gambling, no drinking ect.) but with 1mil+ daily players if they fixed these it may cause a huge loss in players.

The biggest problem I’ve noticed is these dating parties. I too have seen this ages 14- only or whatever, thy people who do this are the most sickining creatures to roam this earth, pedofiles. This game should be able to access your facebook page and view your age and allow an age limit but even if it did the other problem remains, false ages.

So what I suggest is for adults to watch over your children and limit them to the internet there is a way to block certain pages.

Parents should have to be on guard for dangerous material pumped out by corporations such as Zynga, Alex?

Shouldn’t it be the other way around?

Shouldn’t anyone who’s making, marketing and promoting any kind of material aimed at children be vigourously and rigourously monitored by federal, provincial and state organisations tasked specifically with protecting children’s welfare? And before it’s turned loose online

Canada’s Stephen Harper government is throwing away literally billions of dollars on a three-day political love-in which’ll do no one, except the politicians involved, any good.

There are plenty of other examples of gross financial waste in this country, and the picture is the same everywhere else around the world.

Children are our most valuable resource. We should be spending our taxpayer dollars looking after them and protecting them instead of opening them up to corporations which answer only to their boards and shareholders.

I know. Never happen.

And I’d be surprised to find Zynga doesn’t already have access to user data.

Meanwhile, I’m waiting to see a Zynga ‘game’ aimed a ‘pre-schoolers’, the deliberately bland marketing buzzword for really little kids.

Stay tuned.

Jon Newton - p2pnet

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Zynga’s partnership – Facebook, Zynga, 5-year partnership,May 19, 2010
VentureBeat - FarmVille, Mafia Wars maker Zynga is worth $3 billion, says trading site SharesPost, February 18, 2010
deeply evil gang
– Zynga Mafia Wars spyware, December 5, 2009
does not give a rats a** – Zynga cookies vs EU Telecoms Reform, December 7, 2009
TechCrunch – Facebook And Zynga Enter Into Five Year Partnership, Expand Use Of Facebook Credits, May 18, 2010

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4 Responses to “Dear Alex: Thanks for your post on YoVille”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    I suggest parents to watch this:

    http://www.radio-canada.ca/emissions/la_facture/2009-2010/Reportage.asp?idDoc=102141

    Un jeu en ligne qui peut coûter cher

    Un jeune de 12 ans qui adore jouer sur le site du jeu en ligne Dofus a causé toute une surprise à ses parents l’été dernier : il a gonflé leur facture téléphonique de 255 $. Comment est-ce possible?

    Le site de jeu Dofus offre plusieurs types d’abonnements. Pour les abonnements d’une semaine, il suffit de composer un numéro 1-900. On téléphone, on note le code et le tour est joué. Par la suite, 3 $ seront facturés à la ligne téléphonique de l’abonné, c’est-à-dire les parents. Avec 85 abonnements d’une semaine en un peu plus d’un mois, la facture des parents de William a augmenté rapidement.

    Journaliste: Pierre Craig

    Journaliste à la recherche: Claude Laflamme

    Réalisatrice : France Larocque

  2. Anonymous Says:

    I also found this:

    http://www.radio-canada.ca/emissions/la_facture/2009-2010/Reportage.asp?idDoc=100972

    Les jeux sur Internet et les enfants

    Dans les années 60 et 70, les enfants étaient bombardés de publicités télévisuelles, surtout par les fabricants de jouets. En 1978, le Québec a adopté une loi interdisant toute publicité commerciale aux moins de 13 ans.

    Aujourd’hui, les enfants ont délaissé la télévision pour les jeux en ligne. Ces jeux les attirent d’abord dans un espace gratuit. Or, on leur indique constamment qu’ils auraient bien plus d’avantages avec un abonnement. Ces jeux gratuits ne sont-ils pas une nouvelle forme de publicité qui incite les jeunes à harceler leurs parents pour qu’ils prennent un abonnement?

    Ces jeux en ligne sont aussi une mine d’information pour les entreprises qui les possèdent. Dans ces jeux, l’enfant devient un personnage qui exprime ses préférences et révèle ses comportements. Selon des experts en marketing et publicité, ces jeux constituent un laboratoire vivant sur le web, qui sert aux entreprises à créer et à tester de nouveaux produits. Le problème, c’est que ces études de marché se font sans que parents et enfants en soient clairement informés.

    Journaliste : Pierre Craig
    Journaliste à la recherche : Claude Laflamme
    Réalisateur : Jacques Taschereau

  3. Jon Says:

    ^^

    Also check out Consuming Kids, available on all good P2P sites. Find it via your favourite non-prosecutable indexer, Google:

    Consuming Kids: The Commercialization of Childhood (download …19 Feb 2009 … Consuming Kids throws desperately needed light on the practices of a relentless multi-billion dollar marketing machine that now sells kids … thepiratebay.org/…/Consuming_Kids__The_Commercialization_of_Childhood – Cached – Similar

    It’s an eye-opener if your eye aren’t already open.

    Also from other index sites. 8-)
    ==========

    Google translation of article cited above:

    In the 60s and 70s, children were bombarded with television commercials, especially by manufacturers of toys. In 1978, Quebec passed a law banning commercial advertising to children under 13 years.

    Today, children have abandoned television for online games. These games attract them first in free space. However, they consistently indicated that they would have more advantages with a subscription. These free games are not they a new form of advertising that encourages young people to harass their parents to take a subscription?

    These online games are also a mine of information for companies that own them. In these games, the child becomes a character who expresses his preferences and reveal their behavior. According to experts in marketing and advertising, these games are a living laboratory on the web, which serves businesses to create and test new products. The problem is that these market studies are without parents and children are clearly informed.

    Cheers!

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