Dear p2pnet: from AOL
p2pnet.net News:- We’ve just had an email from AOL spokesman Andrew Weinstein saying, “The rumors flying around the Blogosphere” that AOL’s AIM Terms of have been weakened are completely “false” and asking us to “correct” our story.
Here’s Weinstein’s email:
First and foremost, AOL does not monitor, read or review any user-to-user communication through the AIM network, except in response to a valid legal process. The AIM privacy policy (which is part of the AIM TOS) makes that crystal clear:
AOL does not read your private online communications when you use any of the communication tools offered as AIM Products. If, however, you use these tools to disclose information about yourself publicly (for example, in chat rooms or online message boards made available by AIM), other online users may obtain access to any information you provide. “(emphasis added)” says the email, but it isn’t clear where the emphasis is meant to apply.
The second sentence of that same paragraph — and the related section of the AIM Terms of Service — is apparently causing the confusion. The related section of the Terms of Service is called “Content You Post” and, as such, logically and legally it relates only to content a user posts in a public area of the service.
If a user posts content in a public area of the service, like a chat room, message board, or other public forum, that information may be used by AOL for other purposes. One example of this might be a user who posts a “Rate a Buddy” photo and thus allows AIM to post it for other AIM users to vote on it. Another might be AOL taking an excerpt from a message board posting on a current news issue and highlighting it in a different area of the service. [Our emphasis.]
Such language is standard in almost all similar user agreements, including those from Microsoft and most online news publications (MSN and Houston Chronicle TOS excerpted below). That clause simply lets the user know that content they post in a public area can be seen by other users and can be used by the owner of the site for other purposes. [Our emphasis.]
Finally, there seems to be a misimpression that the change was recently made. In fact, the current AIM Terms of Service was last updated in February 2004 and has been in place for more than a year. The prior terms of service had very similar language reserving the same rights.
In short, AIM user-to-user communication has been and will remain private, the AIM TOS was not changed, and the TOS includes a standard clause on publicly posted material.
There you go.
If you’re interested in what AOL’s TOS says, head on over to the site. It’s intriguing.
Weinstein also points out the changes aren’t new – that the TOS was revised last year.
In the meanwhile, here, re-iterated, are the points which interested us in the first place, quoted from the TOS:
- AOL has the right to, “reproduce, display, perform, distribute, adapt and promote” all content distributed across the chat network by users
- By, “posting Content on an AIM Product, you grant AOL, its parent, affiliates, subsidiaries, assigns, agents and licensees the irrevocable, perpetual, worldwide right to reproduce, display, perform, distribute, adapt and promote this Content in any medium”
- “You waive any right to privacy. You waive any right to inspect or approve uses of the Content or to be compensated for any such uses.”
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See:-
our story – AOL kills AIM privacy, p2pnet, March 14, 2005





March 14th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
hahahah
riggle riggle riggle. Not p2pnet, them =)
March 14th, 2005 at 6:25 pm
Seems AOL will never clean up their image.
March 14th, 2005 at 6:48 pm
Bite me AOL!
If your going to monitor any communication, I’m NOT using your messenger for anything important – from business communication to how my family is doing..
http://sourceforge.net/projects/waste/
Waste, the only secure messenger I’d use, uses up to a 4096 bit key – you can transfer files or im with it in group or by im – from the outside (with white noise enabled) it’s impossible to tell if you’re sending files, or messages and even if it was snooped it’s going to be quite a long time before it’s cracked into – a lot of work if all that’s found is you talking about your dog sparky lmao. I’ll note though that the internal traffic inside the group of people you add into your waste cluster (you add people one by one by sending out your public key and then they connect to your ip address or vice versa. Anyone in the cluster can connect to anyone in the cluster with open ports and allows them to see the whole group – everyone has to exchange keys to send files or instant message) can snoop anything sent through the cluster – but it’s intended for trusted groups where you’re not concerned if they know what you say or transfer but DO care what the outside world knows about the convo. It’s the best business instant message program I’ve seen in regards to security in a business environment.
If my messenger is going to hand my convo’s over to any agency then they don’t want me as a member.
Just my 10 cents.
_-Jile-_
March 14th, 2005 at 8:18 pm
bloody hell, havent seen something that stupid in my whole life…. well except a donkey trying to go through a glasswall!!!
March 15th, 2005 at 6:18 pm
http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/aim.asp
You’ve taken the information from the TOS out of context.
March 16th, 2005 at 3:02 pm
Use a former AOL\Nullsoft product WASTE that was released by Justin Frakel former developer and creator of Winamp who released WASTE as a open source program after pitching it to AOL and AOL decided they would just sit on thier hands regarding WASTE .Your Privacy wont be comprimised by using WASTE as the data is encrpted from prying eyes .
http://waste.sourceforge.net/