p2pnet, where ‘sensationalism has taken over’
p2pnet view P2P:- Oh dear. I’ve lost one reader and pissed off two others.
:big sigh:
From the top, down …
Says Paul Kennedy in a Reader’s Write to my second story on the Tyler Clementi tragedy >>>
I have been reading P2Pnet for quite a long time but I regret to say I will read it no longer.
I have noticed that for the past year or so you have gone off your self-defined track and into areas which should not, and do not, concern you or your readers. I am thinking of stories such as this one on Tyler Clementi.
P2pnet was once a site with value. It is now a site where sensationalism has taken over.
Tyler’s death sprang from the fact his private life was splashed online via Twitter, which is of direct relevance. But the story isn’t sensational. Nothing about it is exaggerated. And that’s a major part of the tragedy.
Support creators … buy their music
Under Bomb threats? They’re just the start … “So you are suggesting that mayhem and murder is the best way to screw creators out of their right to get paid”, says TonsoTunez, continuing >>>
Jon, your solutions always ignore the rights of people who make the music in favor of those who want to steal it. If you keep driving the people that create music out of business… what will be left that you will want? Music on the internet is thriving on music that already exists … Soon, when you crave something new, there is be no one left to creative it for you … The thing nobody seems to realize is that truly gifted people who can make music people actually want are very few and far between … Keep stomping on creators ability to earn a living and the major losers will be consumers. Support creators … buy their music … and all the bullshit you have built this site will melt away … and, wouldn’t that be good for everyone … except you?
The mayhem already exists, thanks to the corporate movie and music studios. They’re thrashing around wildly, blindly trying one thing after another in their desperate bid to gain total control of how, when and by whom corporate ‘product’ is distributed online.
There’s no murder involved, although the lives of thousands of innocent people — including very young children — around the world have been permanently marked, if not actually destroyed, by Vivendi Universal, EMI, Warner Music and Sony Music, and Disney, News Corp, Time Warner, Viacom, NBC Universal and Sony Pictures in the process.
Meanwhile, independent musicians continue to make music just as they’ve always done, and the cream continues to rise to the top, just as it’s always done.
Music is life.
Life is music.
Bidniz is bidniz.
Copyright now means phishing
Under The copyright extortion cottage industry, I say “‘Copyright now means phishing’, says a p2pnet Reader’s Write to yesterday’s story on one of the net’s newest copyright extortion firms, Gallant Macmillan. We say ‘one of’ because Mafia-like blackmail tactics ‘first popularised by Vivendi Universal, EMI, Warner Music and Sony Music’s RIAA are creating a cottage industry for unscrupulous lawyers and the people who hire them’, said p2pnet recently. Legal extortion based on specious copyright claims is fast becoming established practice.”
That upset Ellie B. who in a comment post states >>>
I’m a lawyer and I like to think I’m scupulous, and every lawyer I know or work with is scrupulous.
Sites like this are one of the reasons the lies about lawyers are perpetuated.
I see you are being sued for online defamation not once, but twice.
I am not surprised.
All lawyers are lawyers, but they’re not all bottom-dwelling scum-suckers. Just some of them. And as Crosbie Fitch observes, “For a lawyer there is no right or wrong, just success or failure.”
Not only but also, as he says in a response to your RW >>>
If lawyers exhibit a lack of scruple in litigating and prosecuting unjust laws, and bring themselves into infamous disrepute as a consequence that’s their culpability and no-one else’s.
Enacting privileges to enable the famous to sue anyone who dares express a critical opinion or reveal the truth about them is yet another lack of scruple shown by corrupt legislators and handsomely lobbied politicians happy to legislate injustice as a means of preventing their deserved fall from grace.
You exhibit little scruple yourself in conflating “publishing another’s comment that links to allegedly defamatory material” as constituting defamation.
Legislators enact injustice. Lawyers unscrupulously execute it. Everyone else has to suffer the former, pay for the latter, and waste time and effort clearing up the mess. All lawyers must deny this.
“They must either avoid mirrors or avoid the profession”, Crosbie adds.
October, 2010
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win ~ Mahatma Gandhi
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October 4th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
” and every lawyer I know or work with is scrupulous.”
Wow Ellie B. sounds like a total dipshit. She hasn’t noticed most lawyers are unethical scum? Is she practising law on Mars, in a cave, with her ears plugged?
I am amazed people this ignorant are able to get through school and pass the BAR. Oh wait, she just said she “works” with them, which means she wasn’t smart or motivated enough to be anything more than the lowly underling to a lawyer. How pathetic.
October 4th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
The reason these people are really angry is because they either realize that this is the truth or they’re just disgruntled people who want to start a riot on P2Pnet. But I will remain forever faithful and unangered. I’m just angry at the music industry and what they’re doing, but not you, Jon. You keep doing what you’re doing and ignore these ignorant people. I’m rooting for you!
October 4th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
TonsoTunez sounds like the same old broken record we’ve been hearing for 10 years now. And that broken record plays three tunes we’re all sick and tired of: “You Owe Me a Living”, “Digital Data Can Actually Be Stolen, No Really!”, and my most loathed, “There Was No Music Before The Music Industry.”
October 4th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
” TonsoTunez sounds like the same old broken record we’ve been hearing for 10 years now. ”
There’s a really good reason why Tonso sounds so familiar.
” I am amazed people this ignorant are able to get through school and pass the BAR. Oh wait, she just said she “works” with them, which means she wasn’t smart or motivated enough to be anything more than the lowly underling to a lawyer. How pathetic. ”
On the internet, anyone can ‘be’ anything.
I’m Batman.
October 4th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
I seriously wouldn’t worry about it Jon.
I don’t think you are really losing any readers.
October 4th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
OH FOR CRYIN’ OUT LOUD if just one more person whines that “creators need to make a living” dreck at me, I swear I am going to clap some cymbals forcibly over their ears so that they can hear nothing but the echo inside their cavernous skulls. (*facepalm*)
I was just mulling over the discussion/commentary posts following the arstechnica story on their site and was generally impressed with the (attempted) point>counter-point (counter-point, counter-point, exposure-of-fallacy-in-original-attempted-point) debate and actually saved the page for further exploration of some of the really good stuff. There are quite a few voices of reason rising above the din enough to make some good sense in a multi-page discussion that was relatively easy to follow in terms of what was being addressed in each post. I know that we have really started to hit home when the opposition gives up the logic and just turns to name-calling and accusations of communism. (And I think you may be right about that wake up call, Jon. It does looks like the kettle is starting to simmer a little now) Predictably, that tired old line got dragged in there, too, along with a new absurd and rather shrill cry of a “right to profit.” (*?wtf!?*) But imagine my surprise when this indignant battle-bleat was immediately pummeled into a whimper by what seemed like a small sampling of John Q Public for a change, rather than the geeky elite with ties to the “ahoy-matey” underground. And if we can allow me to pretend for a moment that I am not one of the latter, I will give proof po$itive that filesharing /= stealing and that a musician worth his salt will still thrive even when the only ships at sea are flying the Jolly Roger atop the mast.
You may recall that one of my first inspired comments here involved my disgust with the music industry laying blame off on everything but themselves for their inability to make a 10,000% profit off a cd sale without the actual sale of a cd. I explained my own purchasing decisions and illustrated a clear history of being a fairly easy mark in this area because, as I said, music is my absolute soul. I also mentioned one particular artist in that post and now here we come full circle in that original argument: I am still unemployed, I have not purchased a cd since that posting, and even the downstream flow of music to my pc has waned to a trickle more akin to an intermittently leaky faucet than a stream simply for want of worthy content.
HOWEVER, when Sting came to the Hollywood Bowl this summer (which I learned by accident only 36 hours prior to concert time,) despite my impoverished state and the electricity bill in doubt, I knew come Hell or high water I was gonna be there too. I had been kicking myself ever since skipping the Police Reunion Tour in an effort to be responsible by refraining from blowing $200 bucks on tix. Still, I was broke, so I agonized over at least 30 different ticket sites online comparing prices and possible seat options for at least 24 of those 36 hours before committing to an extraordinarily bad financial decision. And I would do it again in a heartbeat. I figured I could always get the lights back on (eventually), but I didn’t know if I could get Sting to sing for me again. And today, even though I must actually run to SCE and pay cash this afternoon (or else…), I have no regrets other than I got to the concert a little late. My very own little Mastercard commercial:
Program = $20.00
Instantly downloadable E-tickets for 2 Center Terrace Box Seats at the Bowl = $300.00
An Evening with Sting Live, “Symphonicities” = An interaction with Joy itself = Oh. Hell. Yeah. =
“Priceless.”
(Almost went down to Irvine to do it again the very next day, but some sense of self preservation finally intervened, Thank God.)
And you know what else? I never saw a man as happy to be doing what he was doing as the man on stage that night. And I think he might make a fine living if he never made another cd sale from this day forward because I would rather do that evening again than hold the licensed permission to listen to his recordings at my leisure. I don’t care what you say, it is not a crime to experience beauty the way it was meant to be experienced regardless of whether the gatekeeper has collected their fee. You may as well arrest all the folks who listened to the concert on the lawn outside the amphitheater who didn’t pay to come in that night for “stealing” the show. Moreover, I think the artist might think it a crime to put a soundproof bubble over the venue to prevent it. I was even a little jealous of the man, not for his riches but for the idea that he would be spending his upcoming time around the world playing music and being adored.
“Stealing?” by downloading a song instead of buying it from the recording industry? Music and Art cannot be stolen any more than you could take from me that elation in my heart from the memory of that evening. That is mine forever no matter how many others get to experience it too. It has never been more obvious to me that music, in particular, is MEANT to be shared. It is value-less if it isn’t.
So you know what? Sue me. At least then I can actually be civilly disobedient instead of vainly trying to prove innocence of a non-crime.
October 4th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
If folks dont like the tune being sung here then simply “change channel”, this is the age of the internet, use your right of choice if your truly offended, although I would suggest rather than indignation, level headed dicussion is the way ahead, Jons not hiding out in an ivory tower so come down off your own high horses and talk, you know it makes sense : )
October 5th, 2010 at 12:39 am
Jon is a Sensationalist. LOL I should of known.
I lol’d, Oh dear. Next we might of hearing that p2pnet is a Zionist-controlled media outlet.
Speaking of Suspected Zionists (Im Kidding…) Justin Bieber was spotted at a Jewish Wedding in Toronto
http://www.celebjihad.com/celeb-jihad/justin-bieber-is-a-jew (4, October 2010) It is also on ye old Faithful TMZ
October 5th, 2010 at 9:13 am
That was an excellent comment, voxleo, and I really enjoyed reading it. Thank you.
As for my own take, I say ignore them, Jon, and keep on doing what you love. I won’t abandon you, and I’m sure the same holds true for many other readers. Before you know it, with a little bit of patience of course, natural selection will have worked its lovely magic.
October 5th, 2010 at 9:27 am
Hi Irate Pirate:
Good to hear from you again.
No worries. I have no plans of stopping.
Cheers!
October 5th, 2010 at 10:20 am
To Copyright and Corperate Shills at MAFIAA:
Shut up,you don’t give the artists didly squat!You keep most of the money to your Greedy self.Download Doesn’t equal a lost sale.Your overinflated ego’s make a lost sale with your outdated dinosaur business models.I hope you all go extinct soon.
From:
The People
October 7th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Why blame Jon and the likes of him when it is the cartel which is to blame. Copyright and patents are supposed to be used to ADVANCE the works of USEFUL arts and sciences. How many times since the inception of copyright in the U.S. has the terms been extended? Plenty! There is very little sharing or release of copyrighted information into the public domain these days. “Intellectual property” laws have done more to SUPPRESS advances in the useful arts and scientists more than anything. There are many companies as well as people who come up with innovative ideas only to have them squashed due to copyright and patent litigation concerns. Companies who produce speech devices for handicapped people have to be worried about being sued by toy companies, etc. What has happened is that the people have risen in mass civil disobedience to the draconian copyright and patent system. Reducing the length of copyright and patents may lead to further advances as well as getting rid of the resentment customers have against the copyright cartels. I no longer buy media., and most of the stuff I download is posted by the creators themselves. The corporate crap for the most part is not worth my time, bandwidth, or drive storage space.