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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-1002630</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had 3web DSL for about 5 years now.  When I first got it, I was getting 4.5 to 5 MB of download speed.  Then in the spring of 2009 I notice a big drop.  Over the last 8 months, I am now lucky to get 1.5 MB a sec.  It is so bad, I can not even get streaming from Yahoo news.  Takes me sometimes 4 minutes to get a file from my email someone sent.  This whole throttling things sucks!  I am sure it is a money scam to get us to upgrade to a faster package for more money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had 3web DSL for about 5 years now.  When I first got it, I was getting 4.5 to 5 MB of download speed.  Then in the spring of 2009 I notice a big drop.  Over the last 8 months, I am now lucky to get 1.5 MB a sec.  It is so bad, I can not even get streaming from Yahoo news.  Takes me sometimes 4 minutes to get a file from my email someone sent.  This whole throttling things sucks!  I am sure it is a money scam to get us to upgrade to a faster package for more money.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-136522</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, Shaw is only letting you go to speed test sites now for a full bandwidth experience.  Everything--not just BT is now being slyly downgraded.  Folks, when they say you should get 10 megs typical and you only get three on a consistent basis, this is FRAUD.  False and misleading advertising.  Shaw should be regulated or sued.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, Shaw is only letting you go to speed test sites now for a full bandwidth experience.  Everything&#8211;not just BT is now being slyly downgraded.  Folks, when they say you should get 10 megs typical and you only get three on a consistent basis, this is FRAUD.  False and misleading advertising.  Shaw should be regulated or sued.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-136521</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, Shaw is only letting you go to speed test sites now for a full bandwidth experience.  Everything--not just BT is now being slyly downgraded.  Folks, when they say you should get 10 megs typical and you only get three on a consistent basis, this is FRAUD.  False and misleading advertising.  Shaw should be regulated or sued.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, Shaw is only letting you go to speed test sites now for a full bandwidth experience.  Everything&#8211;not just BT is now being slyly downgraded.  Folks, when they say you should get 10 megs typical and you only get three on a consistent basis, this is FRAUD.  False and misleading advertising.  Shaw should be regulated or sued.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-136520</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, Shaw is only letting you go to speed test sites now for a full bandwidth experience.  Everything--not just BT is now being slyly downgraded.  Folks, when they say you should get 10 megs typical and you only get three on a consistent basis, this is FRAUD.  False and misleading advertising.  Shaw should be regulated or sued.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, Shaw is only letting you go to speed test sites now for a full bandwidth experience.  Everything&#8211;not just BT is now being slyly downgraded.  Folks, when they say you should get 10 megs typical and you only get three on a consistent basis, this is FRAUD.  False and misleading advertising.  Shaw should be regulated or sued.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-35960</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 23:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah but 3web is just a reseller of Shaw.....so any throttling imposed by shaw will also affect 3web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah but 3web is just a reseller of Shaw&#8230;..so any throttling imposed by shaw will also affect 3web.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-35638</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 04:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3web use rogers cable for their internet service, so 3web can not avoid p2p filter. If you want to switch to 3web, I recommend switch to 3web dsl. now I am using 3web cable, the bt download speed only can reach 15k/s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3web use rogers cable for their internet service, so 3web can not avoid p2p filter. If you want to switch to 3web, I recommend switch to 3web dsl. now I am using 3web cable, the bt download speed only can reach 15k/s</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-30712</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 03:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey 
I called and talked to Rogers myself and it seems that they can not take the filter off. 

Kaleena told me they ARE using filter!! 

I suggest switching to 3web.  They are a cable internet company and with 6mb service 24.95 a month and $5 for modem rental. I talked to TRACY one of their service reps and there is NO TRAFFIC FILTERING!!
http://www.3web.com/
1-866-Get 3web
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey<br />
I called and talked to Rogers myself and it seems that they can not take the filter off. </p>
<p>Kaleena told me they ARE using filter!! </p>
<p>I suggest switching to 3web.  They are a cable internet company and with 6mb service 24.95 a month and $5 for modem rental. I talked to TRACY one of their service reps and there is NO TRAFFIC FILTERING!!<br />
<a href="http://www.3web.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.3web.com/</a><br />
1-866-Get 3web</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-12516</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Shaw is throttleing BitTorrent.
Downloads have gone from a max speed of 640Kb/s down to around 100Kb/s and uploads have gone from 110Kb/s to 15-20Kb/s.

Now we just need everyone who has been screwed by this to cancel any business they have with Shaw and move to any alternative available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Shaw is throttleing BitTorrent.<br />
Downloads have gone from a max speed of 640Kb/s down to around 100Kb/s and uploads have gone from 110Kb/s to 15-20Kb/s.</p>
<p>Now we just need everyone who has been screwed by this to cancel any business they have with Shaw and move to any alternative available.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-12122</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2005 10:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legal, first of all how much of the downloading you do is legal. I use bit torrent but only to download thinks liek new linux distro&#039;s (they compleain I do to much of this but thats cause my software toosl total over 30 gb a month some months) it&#039;s the fact that most people are downloading movies not legal content that means that this will effect everyone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legal, first of all how much of the downloading you do is legal. I use bit torrent but only to download thinks liek new linux distro&#8217;s (they compleain I do to much of this but thats cause my software toosl total over 30 gb a month some months) it&#8217;s the fact that most people are downloading movies not legal content that means that this will effect everyone</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-12120</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2005 05:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here...


http://larytet.sourceforge.net/howto.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://larytet.sourceforge.net/howto.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://larytet.sourceforge.net/howto.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-12119</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2005 05:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rogers has a download cap now too.

And now that you mention it, my download speeds have sucked the royal patootie lately.

What exactly ARE you paying for if it&#039;s not high speed?????

Just so some web pages load fast? Not like mail comes in quick.

Sheesh.

Criminal, everyone of the cableco&#039;s.

I read one good post that if one of the Ultra High Speed users on Roger&#039;s network actually USED their full bandwidth, they&#039;d break the cap in 3 days.

3 days!!!

Of course, they&#039;d be cut off from service at that time, too.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rogers has a download cap now too.</p>
<p>And now that you mention it, my download speeds have sucked the royal patootie lately.</p>
<p>What exactly ARE you paying for if it&#8217;s not high speed?????</p>
<p>Just so some web pages load fast? Not like mail comes in quick.</p>
<p>Sheesh.</p>
<p>Criminal, everyone of the cableco&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I read one good post that if one of the Ultra High Speed users on Roger&#8217;s network actually USED their full bandwidth, they&#8217;d break the cap in 3 days.</p>
<p>3 days!!!</p>
<p>Of course, they&#8217;d be cut off from service at that time, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-12101</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It used to be port number, until P2P apps (starting with Kazaa 2) became &quot;smart&quot; (read: more evasive) by varying the ports they use in no decernible manner. Port blocking just doesn&#039;t work anymore, unless you&#039;re willing to block all ports except for 80 - an unpopular, unmanagable move.

Most likely, Ellacoya&#039;s boxes inspects each packets that goes through them for a protocol signature, and then pushes non-p2p through first while severly limiting the p2p that goes through. 

&lt;sarcasm&gt; Ah, the wonders of technology. &lt;/sarcasm&gt;

Seriously though, if you&#039;re a Shaw customer, call them up and complain. There are other solutions out there that aren&#039;t as blatenly subscriber-unfriendly as Ellacoya&#039;s - and get the same benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It used to be port number, until P2P apps (starting with Kazaa 2) became &#8220;smart&#8221; (read: more evasive) by varying the ports they use in no decernible manner. Port blocking just doesn&#8217;t work anymore, unless you&#8217;re willing to block all ports except for 80 &#8211; an unpopular, unmanagable move.</p>
<p>Most likely, Ellacoya&#8217;s boxes inspects each packets that goes through them for a protocol signature, and then pushes non-p2p through first while severly limiting the p2p that goes through. </p>
<p>&lt;sarcasm&gt; Ah, the wonders of technology. &lt;/sarcasm&gt;</p>
<p>Seriously though, if you&#8217;re a Shaw customer, call them up and complain. There are other solutions out there that aren&#8217;t as blatenly subscriber-unfriendly as Ellacoya&#8217;s &#8211; and get the same benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-12100</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At first the throttling could be circumvented by using non-standard port numbers, but that stopped working after a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first the throttling could be circumvented by using non-standard port numbers, but that stopped working after a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-12099</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When they choke/throttle network traffic like this, do they do it based on protocol type or port number? Or both? Can you circumvent filters by simply using nonstandard port numbers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When they choke/throttle network traffic like this, do they do it based on protocol type or port number? Or both? Can you circumvent filters by simply using nonstandard port numbers?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-12092</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Shaw claims that their problem is with upload, not download. They have plenty of download bandwidth to spare, but the cable network wasn&#039;t designed for heavy use of upload bandwidth. Unfortunately for them and their customers, most p2p apps require upload/download balancing, leading to heavier-than-expected use of upload bandwidth. The just-announced speed upgrade is for download only - upload is unaffected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Shaw claims that their problem is with upload, not download. They have plenty of download bandwidth to spare, but the cable network wasn&#8217;t designed for heavy use of upload bandwidth. Unfortunately for them and their customers, most p2p apps require upload/download balancing, leading to heavier-than-expected use of upload bandwidth. The just-announced speed upgrade is for download only &#8211; upload is unaffected.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-12090</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaw are installing these filtering systems in order to free up lost bandwidth so that they can tell everyone &quot;we just increased your bandwidth from 3mbps to 5mbps!&quot; They KNOW the only people going to be using the full speed of their shaw line are DOWNLOADERS so why bother throttling the people and trying to use it as a marketing toy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaw are installing these filtering systems in order to free up lost bandwidth so that they can tell everyone &#8220;we just increased your bandwidth from 3mbps to 5mbps!&#8221; They KNOW the only people going to be using the full speed of their shaw line are DOWNLOADERS so why bother throttling the people and trying to use it as a marketing toy?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-12075</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So who are we supposed to us for broadband in Vancouver?

Telus has a download cap per moth.

Rogers doesn&#039;t let you set up a home server.

And Shaw throttles bittorent.

Its pretty infuriating.  Whatever happened to cosumer rights?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So who are we supposed to us for broadband in Vancouver?</p>
<p>Telus has a download cap per moth.</p>
<p>Rogers doesn&#8217;t let you set up a home server.</p>
<p>And Shaw throttles bittorent.</p>
<p>Its pretty infuriating.  Whatever happened to cosumer rights?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2005 01:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been happening to me (and several others) on the Cablevision Optimum Online network in the NYC area as of February or so. 
Thread is going on dslreports.com as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been happening to me (and several others) on the Cablevision Optimum Online network in the NYC area as of February or so.<br />
Thread is going on dslreports.com as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4460/comment-page-1#comment-12057</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is fairly well known in Vancouver by now. Shaw doesn&#039;t post anything publicly about it, but they don&#039;t deny it. As a user of multiple high-speed internet services in Vancouver, I can confirm that Bittorrrent on Shaw is slower than competing services by a factor of 10x. And it&#039;s not just Bittorrent, their traffic throttling is also applied to several other popular p2p services.  Makes you wonder what exactly use customers are expected to get out of the upcoming speed increase Shaw announced yesterday (standard service to be boosted from 3 Mbps to 5 Mbps download).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is fairly well known in Vancouver by now. Shaw doesn&#8217;t post anything publicly about it, but they don&#8217;t deny it. As a user of multiple high-speed internet services in Vancouver, I can confirm that Bittorrrent on Shaw is slower than competing services by a factor of 10x. And it&#8217;s not just Bittorrent, their traffic throttling is also applied to several other popular p2p services.  Makes you wonder what exactly use customers are expected to get out of the upcoming speed increase Shaw announced yesterday (standard service to be boosted from 3 Mbps to 5 Mbps download).</p>
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